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Just to be clear, I told you it would not make a difference.

Put Clausen back in, he's going to be here 3 more years. Just do it. I don't think the outcome would have been different, but just to settle it...ES was not the magic spark.
 

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I agree with you now, but I think it was good to at least give JC a week off. Regardless, ES was pathetic today. I thought he would give us a better shot at moving the ball because of his quicker delivery and decision making, but that's not the case at all.

It comes down to, AGAIN, not being able to run the ball. That's an understatement, actually. Running the ball, run blocking, sacks, receiver routes, blah, blah, blah....IT'S COACHING.
 

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I agree with you now, but I think it was good to at least give JC a week off. Regardless, ES was pathetic today. I thought he would give us a better shot at moving the ball because of his quicker delivery and decision making, but that's not the case at all.

It comes down to, AGAIN, not being able to run the ball. That's an understatement, actually. Running the ball, run blocking, sacks, receiver routes, blah, blah, blah....IT'S COACHING.

By the way, I am NOT saying ES should not play 2 weeks from now. Maybe he should.

But people keep expecting the backup to be some stud. It's clear why he was backup.
 

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I disagree. There are things Clausen can learn from the sideline without demoralizing him by being in there, or possibly getting hurt.

If we could rewind, I would have started Sharpley every game up till the last 4 games of the season, put Clausen in their for the last 4 IF and only IF Sharpley hadn't done the job. (Obvoisuly if Sharpley did the job to start the season, I would leave him in there the whole season.)

I agree Clausen won't do worse, but prior to this point I don't think he was ready and I think he could have benefited from sideline experience prior.

Not to mention, I think the offense would possibly have benefited from a consistent face behind center. This musical QB's can't be helpful on top of the problems they have.
 
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If Stewart would be good at a 3 step drop, and just hold onto the ball too long, and get sacked...that would be just like JC and ES. :)
 

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Heck, just take a knee at this point. Seriously, look at the running stats...not much different, and would keep the clock moving.
 

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The reality is that we have an IDIOT as an Offensive genius, guru whatever else the arrogant jerk calls himself. He can head back to the NFL any time he wants. I hear the NY Giants are hiring. His play calling is freakin horrendous. The D knows what is coming on every single play. How many screens will get blown up in the back field before he learns.
 

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I vote for having Price lineup and punt on first down every series.

At first I chuckled at this, but then I realized it would actually be interesting to research how many less points we would have handed out had we done this.

Sad.

Bye Chuck....I hear the Yankees are hiring.
 

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All i know is that the Irish are sucking it up this year. Whether it be coaching or talent or lack of upperclassmen I don't really give a shit. I just want the problem fixed. If we don't win 9 games next year send Weiss' ass back to the patriots. this season is absolutely shot straight to hell. It has been for a long time but I was just hoping that we could win one BIG game a UM, BC, or USC would have made me feel a little better. We damn sure better win the last 4! Can we do it???
 

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At this point, all I'm asking for is more than one scoring drive (with at least one first down) per game. Wins i can wait for.
 

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The reality is that we have an IDIOT as an Offensive genius, guru whatever else the arrogant jerk calls himself. He can head back to the NFL any time he wants. I hear the NY Giants are hiring. His play calling is freakin horrendous. The D knows what is coming on every single play. How many screens will get blown up in the back field before he learns.

Seriously jonesman, I know you're upset, but this post is so... not intelligent. The defense doesn't know what's coming every play, that's just dumb. You learn how to feel a screen even in HS, and probably before that (I didn't play till HS), just like you learn anything else. It still comes down to needing something to work before almost anything can work. If you can't pass, you can't run. If you can't run, you can't pass. If you can't do either, you start getting it in your head that plays will ALWAYS fail, and that in turn effects whether or not the plays actually fail.

I still think if things could just start going right, multiple things will fall into place. But things keep going wrong, and we can never build up that confidence. Seriously, that looked like the least confident offense I almost have ever seen. You think the defense doesn't notice that? They feed of that, and it also contributes to the "circle of ineptitude." And then it affects the defense because they know the offense is going 3 and out, and they play with less intensity as well. I mean, the defense came out JACKED today, and the O let them down again.

Once we get our first drive for a touchdown, I think with our talent things will start to click and the floodgates will be opened. We just need to get over that psychological barrier that all these games have made. So many of those blown plays are really just a little bit off. It's just that EVERY play is a little off. Overthrow here, missed block there, bad timing here, etc. Its just KILLING me to watch it, because I know they are trying and now is usually just one or two guys making a small mistake (vs. like 5-6 earlier in the season) but you can't have those mistakes against good teams like USC, their defense is too good.

This is by far the worst loss of the season for me though. Ugh. Even my near limitless optimism and good-spirits were severely tested at the game. I hadn't been so depressed at a game in about 3 years. Kept up the shouting though, gotta fight for every inch!
 

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kjones,
Yes I sorta lost it there, but our play calling is horrible any way you slice it. And YES the D does know what is coming. watch them react. They are in position to make a play before the play unfolds. I was able to identify the play at the immediate snap on most plays today. Our genius looks pretty freakin bad.
 
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There was absolutely no reason to start Sharpley this week. I think he proved why he has always been, and will continue to be no more than a BACKUP. His accuracy is atrocious, the only reason he's had any success is because teams have smacked our ass so hard before he comes in that they sit back and let him pick them apart late in games. Charlie needs to stop listening to fans and play the BEST player, not the one that fans are calling for.
 

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Let's be realistic here: it does not matter who starts the next four games of the season. A good argument could be made for either QB, by football minds but wiser than ours. The season is a wash-out at this point.
My two cents: start Sharpley, if only to preserve Clausen's brittle freshman sanity. Can you imagine how Jimmy would react if he was responsible for a loss that ended the win streak against Navy? He would be catatonic.
In closing: go with Evan; only put in Jimmy if somehow God permits us to score a bunch of touchdowns and rout the Middies, or if Evan is knocked out by injury. Don't waste your hole card on meaningless games.
 

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kjones,
Yes I sorta lost it there, but our play calling is horrible any way you slice it. And YES the D does know what is coming. watch them react. They are in position to make a play before the play unfolds. I was able to identify the play at the immediate snap on most plays today. Our genius looks pretty freakin bad.

I just think what you're seeing is a defense who is confident that they can stop whatever comes, and an offense that doesn't believe they can make plays.

Defenses are supposed to be able to react to whatever play comes to them, that's how they are designed. Even if they don't know what's coming, they are supposed to read the play and react to it. They start getting off-balance when you start getting something working on them, and they start cheating one way, or expecting certain things. If you can't get anything going, they never start leaning one way or trying to anticipate, they just read your play and react to it.

I think once we can get a drive going, (please let us sometime this season get a drive goin) we'll be able to get that defense thinking we're gonna do something we aren't. Bur it's hard to take someone by surprise when they aren't expecting you to do anything but fail to execture.

At least, that's what I think is at least some part of the problem. I could very much be wrong.


p.s. Thank you for responding intelligently and starting up a conversation about it! I'm loving it!
 

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kjones,
Go back and watch the game when we are on O. there are several times you can see the D pointing out where the play is going. That tells me that our O is so vanilla that we have NO prayer. I would love to have seen a few slant passes today like we ran to Kamara in the Purdue game, but no we would rather pack the whole freakin O tight together to make the D put 11 in the box. Finally, how many screens do you run before you realize that they will FAIL every damn time.
 

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kjones,
Go back and watch the game when we are on O. there are several times you can see the D pointing out where the play is going. That tells me that our O is so vanilla that we have NO prayer.

Considering that Weis runs different plays from the same formation consistently, I question this logic. The defender might have been adjusting his D from the formation THEY moved into.
 

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Considering that Weis runs different plays from the same formation consistently, I question this logic. The defender might have been adjusting his D from the formation THEY moved into.

Considering Weis's production on offense this year, I question your confidence in him.
 

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Considering Weis's production on offense this year, I question your confidence in him.

It's not confidence or a lack thereof.

I am simply saying, when a coach calls for a 10 yard pass and the QB throws over the head of the OPEN receiver, who is to blame?

When the coach calls a run up the middle and the center whiffs on a block, who is to blame?

We have seen what Charlie did with less than elite talent in the last two years. We know he knows how to call plays.

I am pretty sure he did not tell Evan to stand there like a deer in the headlights and take a 15 yard sack. In fact, looking at Clausen just lack week rolling outside of the tackle box and throwing it out of bounds, I know Weis did not.

So, my confidence in him is limited to his ability to win with guys who are very good, but not elite. He is currently playing with less than "very good" upper-class players. His Freshman are elite. His Sophs are very good. But they are all green.

He failed to play Sharpley last year and we are paying for it now.

He is not perfect, but his ability to call plays is considered one of the best in the land.
 

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It's not confidence or a lack thereof.

I am simply saying, when a coach calls for a 10 yard pass and the QB throws over the head of the OPEN receiver, who is to blame?

When the coach calls a run up the middle and the center whiffs on a block, who is to blame?


When a coach fields a team that couldn't beat my mother's bridge club, who is to blame?
 

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When a coach fields a team that couldn't beat my mother's bridge club, who is to blame?

Many, many people.

The current coaching staff, the former coaching staff, and the players.

Sullivan was an All-American Center until he started snapping the ball 10 yards over the head of the QB. In his first 2 years he was near perfect...so now he has decided to screw up. Good job kid.
 

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Sullivan was an All-American Center until he started snapping the ball 10 yards over the head of the QB. In his first 2 years he was near perfect...so now he has decided to screw up. Good job kid.


Charlie Weis has 3 Super Bowl rings and coached ND to 2 BCS bowls in his first two years. We are currently the worst team in College Football. Good job kid.

Look at the bigger picture.

Look at how we perform versus how other teams with much less talent perform against common opponents.

This in not a one game phenomenon - it has happened all year. Either there is a problem at the top or there are problems all throughout the team, in which case there is a problem at the top.
 

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Lovemyirish,
Who's fault is it when you continue to call freaking screen plays that even the D linemen are out covering our RB's because they see it coming??? You people need to stop drinking the freaking CW kool-aid.
 

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LMI, you were absolutely, 100% right about Sharpley, and I am an idiot. He was absolutely terrible; much worse than Clausen IMO.

But like I said, and I think you might agree here, I still don't think he necessarily deserves to lose the job straightaway. This team just DOES NOT need constant shuffling around, especially at the QB position - it was for that reason that it would have been foolish to pull JC after Purdue or UCLA, and I think the same logic probably applies now.

But sheesh ... he was TERRIBLE.
 

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Charlie Weis has 3 Super Bowl rings and coached ND to 2 BCS bowls in his first two years. We are currently the worst team in College Football. Good job kid.

Look at the bigger picture.

Look at how we perform versus how other teams with much less talent perform against common opponents.

I did in my other post to you...and it showed we were doing better than them.
 

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Lovemyirish,
Who's fault is it when you continue to call freaking screen plays that even the D linemen are out covering our RB's because they see it coming??? You people need to stop drinking the freaking CW kool-aid.

Maybe you missed the last two years. The problem is finding the intersection of play calling and ability to perform.

I watch Sharpley throw behind that line and wonder if he can hit anyone.

Our receivers made him look good today. How many times did he nearly miss them and they stretched to pull it in?
 

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LMI, you were absolutely, 100% right about Sharpley, and I am an idiot. He was absolutely terrible; much worse than Clausen IMO.

But like I said, and I think you might agree here, I still don't think he necessarily deserves to lose the job straightaway. This team just DOES NOT need constant shuffling around, especially at the QB position - it was for that reason that it would have been foolish to pull JC after Purdue or UCLA, and I think the same logic probably applies now.

But sheesh ... he was TERRIBLE.

I don't really care which one plays...I guess I lean towards Clausen because he's got more upside potential.
 
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