Notre Dame's relationship with Holy Cross College and Saint Mary's College

[forkbeard3777]

Just out of random curiosity, what is Notre Dame's (including its students and faculty) relationship with Holy Cross College and Saint Mary's College? With both across the street from Notre Dame, I'm really curious as to how the Notre Dame students and faculty perceive the Holy Cross and Saint Mary's students? I may be mistaken, but I believe there is a lot of interaction between the three, but are they (Holy Cross and Saint Mary's) largely "waitlisted" and/or attempting to transfer in? Can they live in the Notre Dame dorms (I saw something in regard to a gateway program)? Are they viewed as inferior and/or looked down upon by Notre Dame students? Do they intermingle in student groups, clubs, etc.? Basically, are they welcomed with open arms and viewed as peers or are ND students snickering behind the Holy Cross / Saint Mary's students' backs?

Growing up in New Orleans, you'd always hear of and see this "rivalry" more or less between Tulane and Loyola, both of which, are literal neighbors on St. Charles Ave. Tulane students generally looked down upon Loyola. Tulane, a largely northeast, Jewish student body makeup - some of which were big into Greek life/athletes/jocks, etc. - with better academics and a football team - generally differs from Loyola. Loyola, a Jesuit school, generally, attracted more artistic / hipster types. Sure, you'd have overlap, but the students largely didn't mix and you could discern the two from a mile away.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

HoCro is basically notre dame’s in house community college and saint mary’s is home to the sweetest gentlest prettiest women you’ll ever meet

 

[domer13]

Just out of random curiosity, what is Notre Dame's (including its students and faculty) relationship with Holy Cross College and Saint Mary's College? With both across the street from Notre Dame, I'm really curious as to how the Notre Dame students and faculty perceive the Holy Cross and Saint Mary's students? I may be mistaken, but I believe there is a lot of interaction between the three, but are they (Holy Cross and Saint Mary's) largely "waitlisted" and/or attempting to transfer in? Can they live in the Notre Dame dorms (I saw something in regard to a gateway program)? Are they viewed as inferior and/or looked down upon by Notre Dame students? Do they intermingle in student groups, clubs, etc.? Basically, are they welcomed with open arms and viewed as peers or are ND students snickering behind the Holy Cross / Saint Mary's students' backs?

Growing up in New Orleans, you'd always hear of and see this "rivalry" more or less between Tulane and Loyola, both of which, are literal neighbors on St. Charles Ave. Tulane students generally looked down upon Loyola. Tulane, a largely northeast, Jewish student body makeup - some of which were big into Greek life/athletes/jocks, etc. - with better academics and a football team - generally differs from Loyola. Loyola, a Jesuit school, generally, attracted more artistic / hipster types. Sure, you'd have overlap, but the students largely didn't mix and you could discern the two from a mile away.

There is a pretty close relationship - many student clubs (the band and the student newspaper, for two) are open to students from all three campuses (ND, SMC, and HCC collectively are called the tri-campus community).

St. Mary's and ND were founded within a few years of each other - these were basically brother-sister schools, until Hesburgh made ND coed in the 70s. St. Mary's is still an all-women's institution right now. There is still a close relationship here, though you do get a little bit of the rivalry between the two.

Holy Cross was founded to be the scholasticate (basically a seminary for brothers in formation) for the CSC Brothers community in the mid-1950s (I think). It changed relatively quickly to be a junior college - this is when Rudy would have gone there. It is now a 4 year college (change in the last 10 years or so) but is relatively small (300-400 students). As you mentioned, a significant portion of their students are part of a "gateway program" - they generally attend HCC for one or two years before gaining admittance to ND.

So, there is not necessarily a rivalry between the three, as they were all founded for different reasons and continue to serve different types of students, though you will always have students who will perceive the different schools/student bodies in better or worse lights.