ND getting no respect!
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It was 12 1/2 this morning. It's gone down one point in less than a day. The betting public is taking ND. Not good.
I thought it would have been 14. I think it opened at 13 1/2.
I like the underdog role. This spread is right where it should be.
I thought it would have been 14. I think it opened at 13 1/2.
I like the underdog role. This spread is right where it should be.
agreed. the point spread is designed to make the bookies money. i'd rather we were picked as a heavy underdog. it won't have any effect on our play (at least no negative effect) and it add to the cushion of complacency that So Cal has been displaying lately.
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ACCIrish said:
agree totally
You really have to understand vegas. They are in it to make money, the they could care less who actually wins if the strategy behind the line banks the house big $. Besides ND has proved the line wrong 4 out of 5 games with MSU being the only exception. Don't buy into the lines unless your income depended on it.
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Totally agree with the bookie comment. That line came out to suck in the early money on the Irish. But, this is all about bringing home the victory. I really think Weis having 2 weeks to prepare. That is a big advantage. As everyone knows, this USC team can score points in a hurry. Notre Dame has got to control the clock with a solid running game. Kind of like SB XXV and SB XXXVI. BALL CONTROL!!!
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Don't go see "Two For the Money"
Al Pacino plays his Devils Advocate character, with Matt McConaughy (SP) replacing Keanu and sports gambling subbing for the anti christ theme of Advocate.
A very disappointing two hours. Rene Russo isn't hot anymore. OLD.
Al Pacino plays his Devils Advocate character, with Matt McConaughy (SP) replacing Keanu and sports gambling subbing for the anti christ theme of Advocate.
A very disappointing two hours. Rene Russo isn't hot anymore. OLD.
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Note the bolded portion. THAT is why the spread is what it is.
October 9, 2005
Irish Defense, Opportunity Or Luck?
by TODD D. BURLAGE
Rick Minter offered a simple explanation as to the opportunistic nature of his Notre Dame defense this year.
“Oh sure, it’s coaching,” Minter said with a wide smile.
Minter knows there’s a fine line between lucky and opportunistic but it’s hard to argue that the Notre Dame defense has been a little bit of both so far this year.
“That’s kind of how we are developing,” Minter said of the bend don’t break mentality. “I like it on the one hand, I don’t like it on the other. We’re getting our own selves in the alligator pit but we’re finding a way out of it.”
The three important goal-line turnovers this year are balanced by a defense that is giving up 50 more yards a game compared to last year.
The Irish rank a respectable 16th in the country with a 1.20 turnover margin while they rank No.92 in total defense at 422.20 yards allowed per game. Big plays have been as common by opposing offenses as they have been by the Irish defense.
Minter said defenses on winning teams are always one of two things “a knockout unit” or “an opportunistic unit” that just keeps hustling no matter how much yardage is getting chewed up. So far the Irish have been the latter.
“You don’t plan it this way but you kind of hang in there, you bend don’t break, you give up a play but you rise up and overcome your own sins,” Minter said. “We’ve bent a few times – I mean really bent, I mean bent over – but not broken. And then something good ends up happening to that unit down there. I can’t explain it and there shouldn’t be an explanation other than just never say die attitude.”
Irish coach Charlie Weis also admitted there’s plenty of room for improvement on the defense but he also points out that many of the points and yardage the unit has given up have come well after the game was decided.
Against Purdue, Notre Dame built a 28-0 lead and made some big stops and plays in the first half, including another trademark turnover on the goal line that kept the Boilers from tying the game at 7-7. The same held true against Pittsburgh when the Irish jumped to a big lead.
Weis warned not solely attribute the goal line turnovers to luck because effort has played a big part.
“Look at the fumble from last week (against Purdue),” Weis said. “That ball wasn’t coming out. That ball was stripped. That was a caused fumble, that wasn’t a fumble that happened by chance. So I would not say it was lucky, it was caused.”
The Irish have already forced 12 fumbles with seven recoveries the season. They also have five interceptions and a couple of hustle plays by cornerback Ambrose Wooden that kept opponents out of the end zone and set up big plays.
Twice Wooden never gave up on an opponent breakaway and made a downfield tackle near the goal line that eventually led to a turnover.
“Within the next play or two, we’re off the field,” Minter said. “If he just decides to say, ‘Oh well, there it goes,’ and he doesn’t bust his tail, those are all touchdowns.”
October 9, 2005
Irish Defense, Opportunity Or Luck?
by TODD D. BURLAGE
Rick Minter offered a simple explanation as to the opportunistic nature of his Notre Dame defense this year.
“Oh sure, it’s coaching,” Minter said with a wide smile.
Minter knows there’s a fine line between lucky and opportunistic but it’s hard to argue that the Notre Dame defense has been a little bit of both so far this year.
“That’s kind of how we are developing,” Minter said of the bend don’t break mentality. “I like it on the one hand, I don’t like it on the other. We’re getting our own selves in the alligator pit but we’re finding a way out of it.”
The three important goal-line turnovers this year are balanced by a defense that is giving up 50 more yards a game compared to last year.
The Irish rank a respectable 16th in the country with a 1.20 turnover margin while they rank No.92 in total defense at 422.20 yards allowed per game. Big plays have been as common by opposing offenses as they have been by the Irish defense.
Minter said defenses on winning teams are always one of two things “a knockout unit” or “an opportunistic unit” that just keeps hustling no matter how much yardage is getting chewed up. So far the Irish have been the latter.
“You don’t plan it this way but you kind of hang in there, you bend don’t break, you give up a play but you rise up and overcome your own sins,” Minter said. “We’ve bent a few times – I mean really bent, I mean bent over – but not broken. And then something good ends up happening to that unit down there. I can’t explain it and there shouldn’t be an explanation other than just never say die attitude.”
Irish coach Charlie Weis also admitted there’s plenty of room for improvement on the defense but he also points out that many of the points and yardage the unit has given up have come well after the game was decided.
Against Purdue, Notre Dame built a 28-0 lead and made some big stops and plays in the first half, including another trademark turnover on the goal line that kept the Boilers from tying the game at 7-7. The same held true against Pittsburgh when the Irish jumped to a big lead.
Weis warned not solely attribute the goal line turnovers to luck because effort has played a big part.
“Look at the fumble from last week (against Purdue),” Weis said. “That ball wasn’t coming out. That ball was stripped. That was a caused fumble, that wasn’t a fumble that happened by chance. So I would not say it was lucky, it was caused.”
The Irish have already forced 12 fumbles with seven recoveries the season. They also have five interceptions and a couple of hustle plays by cornerback Ambrose Wooden that kept opponents out of the end zone and set up big plays.
Twice Wooden never gave up on an opponent breakaway and made a downfield tackle near the goal line that eventually led to a turnover.
“Within the next play or two, we’re off the field,” Minter said. “If he just decides to say, ‘Oh well, there it goes,’ and he doesn’t bust his tail, those are all touchdowns.”
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jiggafini19 said:
Being a big UDog is FINE. We were a 12-13pt dog against FSU in '93. RELAX! It's not where we start, it's where we FINISH. We'll get the respect when we beat the leaky condoms on Sat. Maybe not from Ms. May and Colonel Saunders, but from the rest we will, FINALLY.
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This range on the spread is fine -- and correct. USC has been unstoppable for 3 years. If the coaching changes were not made the spread would have been 31.
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Wish i saw this post before I went to go see it after work on friday. Movie was pretty lame, can't believe I spend $9.75 to see it. It was like a made for TV type film, something you'd see on USA or FX..........
Like Jiggy said, Rene is shot. That blonde chick was fine in my book though, wish she had a bigger role......
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QueensNY said:
Man, I paid $8 each for me and my lady. Ouch.
Jeremy Piven was good in a supporting role. the film was not.
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QueensNY said:
Jaime King, that of Sin City....a GREAT movie.
She's a smoker, no doubt.
I'm sure Matt Leinart has already taken her out.
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jiggafini19 said:
Where are you guys living that movies are $8 a person? I live in a very poor state in New Mexico, and our dam movies cost $9.75 a person! Something's not right here, but at least I won't waste my money on Al and Mathew's apparent dud of a movie.
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The spread is about right. I believe that USC is the highest scoring team in the country 50+ points a game and they've been undefeated for years. It's an accurate spread, but it doesn't mean we can't win.
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AlbuquerqueIrishFan said:
I was pretty shocked myself. We were in the far NW burbs about half way to Rockford. Homes out there are about $200K....now. It's a hot spot for buyers. In my old neighborhood, that flick would have been $10 each.