Junior Day Surprise Visitor?

[irishunclebill]

Junior Day Surprise Visitor- Cordale Scott Cleveland (OH) Glenville WR

Cordale Scott (there is no IE profile for him) is one of the top 2008 recruits from the state of Ohio, and will almost certainly be rated the #1 WR in Ohio by Rivals and Scout, as he is the only Ohio WR on their 100 to Watch lists for 2008. Cordale goes to Cleveland (OH) Glenville HS, where Ted Ginn Sr. is his Head Coach. Glenville HS has always been one of the most reliable and fruitful pipelines to Ohio State, e.g. Troy Smith, Ted Ginn Jr. In fact, OSU usually has 4-5 players from Glenville HS on their roster, and in 2006 they had 7. So it comes as quite a shock that 2 days after receiving an Official Offer from OSU that Cordale is talking about and apparently planning on attending Notre Dame's Junior Day this weekend, and maybe more surprisingly at the specific urging of Ted Ginn Sr.

It still will be somewhat of a shock if Cordale actually shows up this weekend, but the mere talk of it is a very interesting development, and may have something to do with Ginn Sr.'s alleged interference with Ginn Jr.'s not going back into the BCS NC game. It is pure speculation, but there maybe some bad blood brewing between Ginn Sr., and the OSU staff. If that is the case, every college in the country could potentially benefit because Glenville is a gold mine for football talent, and Cordale Scott in an ND uniform would be an OSU fans nightmare. That would be sweet indeed, but if wishes were dollars, we would all be wealthy.

 

[Freeman Ara]

While this is surprising to see a Glenville kid interested in ND, Ginn Sr. helps his kids get to the NCAA level no where they want to go. He doesn't necessarily push all his kids to OSU, many of his kids have gone to other college programs. OSU usually gets the lions share of talent in the state ever year and Glenville usually has a ton of it so they get more kids then most from that one school. Pretty good article on Ginn Sr. couple months back in ESPN the Mag. ANd how did Ginn Sr. interfer with Jr. reentering the Championship game, he was obviously hurt enough where he still didn't run at the combine.

 

[irishunclebill]

While this is surprising to see a Glenville kid interested in ND, Ginn Sr. helps his kids get to the NCAA level no where they want to go. He doesn't necessarily push all his kids to OSU, many of his kids have gone to other college programs. OSU usually gets the lions share of talent in the state ever year and Glenville usually has a ton of it so they get more kids then most from that one school. Pretty good article on Ginn Sr. couple months back in ESPN the Mag. ANd how did Ginn Sr. interfer with Jr. reentering the Championship game, he was obviously hurt enough where he still didn't run at the combine.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. I am talking about the elite athletes out of Glenville. Cordale Scott will certainly be categorized in that group. From 2002 to 2007 all but 1 of the Scout rated 4 and 5 star recruits from Glenville went to Ohio State, with the only exception being Freddie Lennix. I do not believe that anyone in that group even considered Notre Dame, which is the point of my post.

Ginn Sr. is alleged to have interfered with the OSU coaching staff by not allowing his son back into the game when the OSU coaching staff tried to put pressure on Ted Jr. to go back in after things started to go south on them. I guess I was not clear enough on that point in my first post.

 

[Freeman Ara]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. I am talking about the elite athletes out of Glenville. Cordale Scott will certainly be categorized in that group. From 2002 to 2007 all but 1 of the Scout rated 4 and 5 star recruits from Glenville went to Ohio State, with the only exception being Freddie Lennix. I do not believe that anyone in that group even considered Notre Dame, which is the point of my post.

Ginn Sr. is alleged to have interfered with the OSU coaching staff by not allowing his son back into the game when the OSU coaching staff tried to put pressure on Ted Jr. to go back in after things started to go south on them. I guess I was not clear enough on that point in my first post.

Yeah I get the whole point of your original post, I understand that most of the elite guys go to OSU, which by the way if they are the elite prsopects in the state of OSu theres about a 90 percent chance there going there anyway. Same as most elite athletes in Texas go to UT. And as far as Ginn Jr. not being put back in to the game, my point was if he is still injured to the point where he can't run at the combine then I think his father has the right to tell him not go back into the game when the injury first happened. I doubt OSU is going to cut themselves off from Ginn Sr. just because he had his sons best interest at heart.

 

[Akron Irish]

We talking about Glenville Community College here. I still can't figure out how Ginn Sr went from the janitor to the head football coach. He had on some pretty nice bling at the BCS game.

He actually tried to start his own private high school in Cleveland. He wanted to provide room and board to the students and everything. Except the state wasn't going for it. If OSU won the NC last year they may have reconsidered.

Back to the subject at hand.... It wouldn't be too much of a shock to see a Glenville kid go somewhere else. Not all of them go to OSU. But about 90% of the ones OSU wants they get.

 

[Akron Irish]

Yeah I get the whole point of your original post, I understand that most of the elite guys go to OSU, which by the way if they are the elite prsopects in the state of OSu theres about a 90 percent chance there going there anyway. Same as most elite athletes in Texas go to UT. And as far as Ginn Jr. not being put back in to the game, my point was if he is still injured to the point where he can't run at the combine then I think his father has the right to tell him not go back into the game when the injury first happened. I doubt OSU is going to cut themselves off from Ginn Sr. just because he had his sons best interest at heart.

Didn't mean to copy your 90% figure. I'll change mine to 85%

 

[Freeman Ara]

We talking about Glenville Community College here. I still can't figure out how Ginn Sr went from the janitor to the head football coach. He had on some pretty nice bling at the BCS game.

He actually tried to start his own private high school in Cleveland. He wanted to provide room and board to the students and everything. Except the state wasn't going for it. If OSU won the NC last year they may have reconsidered.

Back to the subject at hand.... It wouldn't be too much of a shock to see a Glenville kid go somewhere else. Not all of them go to OSU. But about 90% of the ones OSU wants they get.

Thank you thats all I was saying, they get most of the kids they want out of Glenville. Yeah if I remember correctly, Ginn Sr basically want to build his own private football training facility that basically also offered high school classes, with housing and everything like you mentioned.

 

[Akron Irish]

Yeah, I thought it was hilarious when I heard he was presenting it

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

We talking about Glenville Community College here. I still can't figure out how Ginn Sr went from the janitor to the head football coach. He had on some pretty nice bling at the BCS game.

He actually tried to start his own private high school in Cleveland. He wanted to provide room and board to the students and everything. Except the state wasn't going for it. If OSU won the NC last year they may have reconsidered.

Back to the subject at hand.... It wouldn't be too much of a shock to see a Glenville kid go somewhere else. Not all of them go to OSU. But about 90% of the ones OSU wants they get.

Yeah...that whole charter school thing was pretty much a joke. Talk about letting the fox loose in the hen house. Geesh...

 

[irishunclebill]

Ok I'm not going to argue this point, as I said it is pure speculation about any bad blood between Ginn Sr., and OSU, but it is speculation fueled by one of his elite athletes for the first time supposedly even taking a look at ND. Ginn Sr. has the advantage, he is the supplier, so if anyone is cutting anyone off it would be Ginn Sr. not pushing his kids to OSU, not the other way around as you said. Why would he care if OSU cuts him off, he can get his elite kids in just about any program in the country.

BTW- do not use 90% numbers unless you are reasonably sure they are close to being right. OSU does indeed do very well in recruiting the elite Ohio kids, but the actual % of Scout 4 and 5 stars from 2002-2007 is only 60%, take away the Glenville kids and it drops to 56%. Sorry for the math lesson, but there is already too much unsubstantiated so called facts thrown around in this forum. If you don't know for sure, don't guess.

 

[irishunclebill]

Thank you thats all I was saying, they get most of the kids they want out of Glenville.

I'm confused by this comment, that is also exactly what I said, did I disagree with you on that point.

 

[irishunclebill]

Back to the subject at hand.... It wouldn't be too much of a shock to see a Glenville kid go somewhere else. Not all of them go to OSU. But about 90% of the ones OSU wants they get.

The subject at hand is the elite Glenville kids, not just any of them. When you say, "It wouldn't be too much of a shock to see a Glenville kid go somewhere else." is that who you are talking about, because if it is, you contradict yourself in the next sentence when you say OSU gets 90% of them. How could it not be somewhat of a shock for an elite Glenville recruit to go somewhere else when 90% of the time they go to OSU. BTW for 2002-2007 the 90% figure is correct for Glenville elite recruits going to OSU, but that is not the same as what NDBCS said. He said that 90% of all elite Ohio recruits go to OSU. That number for 2002-2007 is actually 60% including the Glenville elite kids.

 

[Freeman Ara]

The subject at hand is the elite Glenville kids, not just any of them. When you say, "It wouldn't be too much of a shock to see a Glenville kid go somewhere else." is that who you are talking about, because if it is, you contradict yourself in the next sentence when you say OSU gets 90% of them. How could it not be somewhat of a shock for an elite Glenville recruit to go somewhere else when 90% of the time they go to OSU. BTW for 2002-2007 the 90% figure is correct for Glenville elite recruits going to OSU, but that is not the same as what NDBCS said. He said that 90% of all elite Ohio recruits go to OSU. That number for 2002-2007 is actually 60% including the Glenville elite kids.

No actually what I said is if there is an elite athlete in the state of OH there is a 90 percent chance they are going to OSU, not that 90 percent of all elite athletes in the state of OH go to OSU, there is a difference. Ok take away the 90 percent number itself and just say high probability of an elite, in-state athlete going to OSU. They usually do a good job of keeping there own top prospects at home.

 

[iloveirish_12]

He had on some pretty nice bling at the BCS game.

He got paid a lot for his son and other players to Ohio State.

 

[irishunclebill]

No actually what I said is if there is an elite athlete in the state of OH there is a 90 percent chance they are going to OSU, not that 90 percent of all elite athletes in the state of OH go to OSU, there is a difference. Ok take away the 90 percent number itself and just say high probability of an elite, in-state athlete going to OSU. They usually do a good job of keeping there own top prospects at home.

Agreed, anyway the whole point was that for whatever reason, it is still a surprise that Cordale would even consider going to an ND Junior Day. Maybe he is the first Glenville kid smart enough to get into ND. He does show a 3.2 GPA, although from what you guys are saying about Glenville, that probably does not mean much. The comment about going to the Junior Day is most likely just posturing anyway. I guess we will find out this weekend.

 

[Freeman Ara]

Agreed, anyway the whole point was that for whatever reason, it is still a surprise that Cordale would even consider going to an ND Junior Day. Maybe he is the first Glenville kid smart enough to get into ND. He does show a 3.2 GPA, although from what you guys are saying about Glenville, that probably does not mean much. The comment about going to the Junior Day is most likely just posturing anyway. I guess we will find out this weekend.

Yeah I was going to mention the academics thing about the Glenville kids but I didn't want to assume anything that I wasn't sure of as far as grades and such for most of these guys, but given the fact that from everything I have read and heard Glenville is as close to the definition of a football factory as you can get, especially if he can get his school idea accepted. From my understanding he was already raisng money for it and everything. anyway, wasn't really trying to argue to much with you since we basically have the same point of view..anyway peace.

 

[TexasNDFan]

Agreed, anyway the whole point was that for whatever reason, it is still a surprise that Cordale would even consider going to an ND Junior Day. Maybe he is the first Glenville kid smart enough to get into ND. He does show a 3.2 GPA, although from what you guys are saying about Glenville, that probably does not mean much. The comment about going to the Junior Day is most likely just posturing anyway. I guess we will find out this weekend.

Well i would think that if there is anything fishy about his grades then Weis wouldn't waste his time, because there is no way the admissions would even look at his transcript. If he gets offered then you know that he can get accepted at ND.

 

[Akron Irish]

The subject at hand is the elite Glenville kids, not just any of them. When you say, "It wouldn't be too much of a shock to see a Glenville kid go somewhere else." is that who you are talking about, because if it is, you contradict yourself in the next sentence when you say OSU gets 90% of them. How could it not be somewhat of a shock for an elite Glenville recruit to go somewhere else when 90% of the time they go to OSU. BTW for 2002-2007 the 90% figure is correct for Glenville elite recruits going to OSU, but that is not the same as what NDBCS said. He said that 90% of all elite Ohio recruits go to OSU. That number for 2002-2007 is actually 60% including the Glenville elite kids.

The pipeline was certainly strong while Ted Ginn Jr was in college there. With his departure, Sr may not apply the pressure on his kids to look at tOSU. That being said, with the 2008 recruits, I wouldn't be surprised to see them look elsewhere.

 

[irishunclebill]

Well i would think that if there is anything fishy about his grades then Weis wouldn't waste his time, because there is no way the admissions would even look at his transcript. If he gets offered then you know that he can get accepted at ND.

You are right about that TexasND. If the guy shows up for Junior Day, and if he is academically qualified from at least a transcript standpoint at this time, I would guess that an offer would quickly follow. If he does show up and an offer does not quickly follow, it's probably because the 3.2 GPA was not sufficient in terms of course requirements for Cordale to qualify for ND.

 

[irishunclebill]

The pipeline was certainly strong while Ted Ginn Jr was in college there. With his departure, Sr may not apply the pressure on his kids to look at tOSU. That being said, with the 2008 recruits, I wouldn't be surprised to see them look elsewhere.

I hope you are right, and also hope that guys like Cordale's GPA are not bogus. It would be nice to at least have a shot at one of the elite Glenville guys that are usually OSU locks.

 

[irishunclebill]

Update on Scott- He did not show up for Junior Day last weekend. However, he is quoted again this week as saying that Coach Ginn wants him and teammate Donnie Fletcher to go to a Junior Day at Notre Dame, if a visit does not conflict with his track season schedule. This is the second time Scott has expressed an interest in visiting ND, and both times it was stated on a Buckeye recruiting site, so I have to believe that he must have at least a genuine interest in making the visit. Does anyone know if there are any more Junior Days scheduled this spring?

BTW, Scott is going to an OSU Junior Day this weekend.

 

[irishunclebill]

Well it turns out that there was a surprise visitor from Glenville HS at Notre Dame's last Junior Day. It's just that it was not Cordale Scott, but his fellow Glenville HS WR, Donnie Fletcher III. This revelation makes Scott's comment in the previous post about coming to the next ND Junior Day with Fletcher very curious, since he made the statement after the ND Junior Day was over that his teammate actually attended.

 

[Irishknight1023]

yeah, but when are the future junior days?

 

[wheeler418]

Last year there were a lot of recruits at the Blue-Gold game. It was a great weekend for recruits that are interested in ND to see how many fans will show up for a practice game.