Future QB Recruiting

[Nothingman]

Does anyone think we may lose out on some of the higher QB recruits now that the offense will be run almost exclusively out of the shotgun?

If you want to play in the NFL, you have to be able to work under the center and I think the pro style offense we ran under Weis was a big selling point in landing Jimmy & Dayne.

Just curious to hear others opinions.

 

[mizzouirish]

I remember seeing Jimmy in shotgun formation for most of the year.

 

[Nothingman]

True but he worked under center as well. With what I've heard, Kelly always runs the offense out of the shotgun.

 

[kmoose]

Lots of college offenses have been, and are, run out of the shotgun. It gives the QB more time to read the D, and make a decision. I agree that NFL scouts would probably rather have a guy who worked from under center, but if you are Brian Kelly, you should be telling kids, "It's not going to matter if you worked from the shotgun, or under center, if you don't put up the numbers to get noticed in the first place."

 

[CuerVo0220]

From what I see,most plays in NFL are from shotgun, not under center.

 

[a.van2eman]

I remember seeing Jimmy in shotgun formation for most of the year.

ya same here........we dint hav a run game, so most of the time we were in the spread

 

[Freeman Ara]

I think we will be fine. Just remembering off the top of my head what schools run spread type offenses, 9 of the top 13 QB's according to Scout.com are going to spread offenses next season. And as long as we win consistently do we really care about star ratings?

 

[Gipper]

Lou ran the option and still got top notch QB's. If you win games and BCS bowls top notch QB's will come to Notre Dame even if we go back to the "Single Wing".

 

[jason_h537]

i am not sure how Kelly will adapt his offense to thetalent hecan get at ND. it will hurt getting traditional pocket QB's but time will tell. There is supposed to be this Sophmore in FL named Crow who Weis was apperantly in love with and offered a verbal. Wonder how that would play out

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Hendrix will be a great spread QB.

There is a HUGE difference between the Kelly offense and the pro shotgun offense.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

If we never send another QB to the NFL, but win 11 to 13 games every year - I'll be happy. I still prefer Tony Rice to Brady Quinn.

 

[JefMaj]

At the beginning of the year... there was a lot of talk about Pike being a high pick whenever he went pro. I don't know... sure Teabag won't translate... but as I've said... he cost them a Nat. Champ. - highly overrated as a QB.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Doesn't matter to me how many stars an athlete has next to his name, assigned by some website or magazine trying to sell...stuff.

As long as the athlete wants to play for ND and fits the system, he will come.

 

[irish1958]

I went to the Colt's game today and Payton was in the shotgun almost the whole game.

 

[Riddickulous]

We're set at QB for the next four or five years (Crist for another 1-3, Hendrix/Rees after for another 2-3), but we should get another couple before then for some backup.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I went to the Colt's game today and Payton was in the shotgun almost the whole game.

Completely different offense that PEYTON (WITH AN E) was running.

 

[bornready85]

Take a look at the top ranked QB's on scout and look what offenses they will be running in college. The majority of them will be in some form of the spread offense.

1. Jake Heaps BYU-Spread

2. Paul Jones PSU-Spread HD

3. Blake Bell OU-uptempo spread(almost exactly like Kelly's)

4. Devin Gardner Michigan-Spread option

5. Phillip Sims Bama- Pro Style

6. Connor Wood Texas- Spread

7. Jesse Scroggins USC- Pro Style

8. Jeremy Johnson WVU- Spread option

9. Robert Bolden PSU- Spread HD

10. Bryan Bennet Oregon- Spread Option

 

[irish4ever]

If we never send another QB to the NFL, but win 11 to 13 games every year - I'll be happy. I still prefer Tony Rice to Brady Quinn.

Because Tony Rice had a pretty good DEFENSE to compliment thier offense at the time.

 

[FrankMA]

Because Tony Rice had a pretty good DEFENSE to compliment thier offense at the time.

If w had that Defense in 05 and even this year we would have played in, and won, the NC.

 

[tankjeep]

winning football games will bring 'em in. and i like what the sexy deer said.

 

[DKSchrute]

Sam Bradford - case closed

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

If we never send another QB to the NFL, but win 11 to 13 games every year - I'll be happy. I still prefer Tony Rice to Brady Quinn.

Agree 100%.

 

[jason_h537]

Sam Bradford - case closed

Alex Smith, Jason White, Tim Tebow... case reopened?

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think it's fair to say that if Kelly had been recruiting Claussen, Jimmy would've ended up at USC. That being said, he was supposed to be the best QB in the last 20 years or something and never did anything in terms of winning. So, yes, it will probably hurt us in terms of attracting top of the line QBs to ND. But like others have said, better to win with a 4 star than go 6-6 with the best QB in the world.

 

[jason_h537]

I think it's fair to say that if Kelly had been recruiting Claussen, Jimmy would've ended up at USC. That being said, he was supposed to be the best QB in the last 20 years or something and never did anything in terms of winning. So, yes, it will probably hurt us in terms of attracting top of the line QBs to ND. But like others have said, better to win with a 4 star than go 6-6 with the best QB in the world.

I understand that QB's are the face and leaders of teams traditionally but why is there such an emphasis on wins? I have never understood this. Braady Quinn was knocked for not winning big games but he wasnt playing defense when USC converted that 4th and long in 05. Jimmy wasnt responsible for stopping oppositions this year. I dont think we could have asked for any more from either guys.

Just ranting but there are some situations that are beyond theyre control. Wins or not Jimmy is a GREAT quarterback in Notre Dame history

 

[IrishinSyria]

I understand that QB's are the face and leaders of teams traditionally but why is there such an emphasis on wins? I have never understood this. Braady Quinn was knocked for not winning big games but he wasnt playing defense when USC converted that 4th and long in 05. Jimmy wasnt responsible for stopping oppositions this year. I dont think we could have asked for any more from either guys.

Just ranting but there are some situations that are beyond theyre control. Wins or not Jimmy is a GREAT quarterback in Notre Dame history

I agree. Personally, I think Brady had more moxie or whatever you want to call it than Jimmy did, but they were both fantastic QBs. The point others were trying to make, and I was trying to reinforce, was that even with great QBs for whatever reason ND wasn't getting the results desired. Therefore, while it is unfortunate that ND will likely lose out on the top tier QBs they attracted with Weis now that Kelly is the coach, it's proven to not be terribly important in the big picture as teams can win with below average QBs (Tebow) and teams can lose with phenomenal ones (Claussen).

 

[jason_h537]

I think one thing that people forget when it comes to Crist is that Weis ran a very complicated offense. He had 2 years with him and we have seen how older QB's have responded. Going into Kelly's scheme will be cupcake compared to what Weis did. His reads will be much easier

 

[FrankMA]

I understand that QB's are the face and leaders of teams traditionally but why is there such an emphasis on wins? I have never understood this. Braady Quinn was knocked for not winning big games but he wasnt playing defense when USC converted that 4th and long in 05. Jimmy wasnt responsible for stopping oppositions this year. I dont think we could have asked for any more from either guys.

Just ranting but there are some situations that are beyond theyre control. Wins or not Jimmy is a GREAT quarterback in Notre Dame history

Agree-both Brady and Jimmy would have played on NC teams with a great defense and would be remembered as two of the greatest qb's ever in college football. Even with Kelly, we need a great defense to win. It takes a great team, not a great qb or a great offense to win.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

but why is there such an emphasis on wins? I have never understood this.

Bill Polian (architect of the Colts amazing run over the last 10 years) talks a lot about what he looks for in college players. He always says one major thing he looks for, more than measureables and intagibles is wins and losses. Of course there is context around this (if you're playing at Vandy, or a team where you're just overmatched, thats one thing). He has specifically cited the decision between choosing Manning or Ryan Leaf. Leaf had a bigger arm, tighter spiral, and was more mobile. By most measures, Leaf should have been a can't miss. Polian took Manning, in part, because he was a winner.

 

[jason_h537]

Bill Polian (architect of the Colts amazing run over the last 10 years) talks a lot about what he looks for in college players. He always says one major thing he looks for, more than measureables and intagibles is wins and losses. Of course there is context around this (if you're playing at Vandy, or a team where you're just overmatched, thats one thing). He has specifically cited the decision between choosing Manning or Ryan Leaf. Leaf had a bigger arm, tighter spiral, and was more mobile. By most measures, Leaf should have been a can't miss. Polian took Manning, in part, because he was a winner.

I understand that but Ryan Leaf was Jamarcus Russel. John David Booty won, but i wouldnt not call him a winner, he was just on a very talented team.