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Everyone is on here and other chat rooms talking about how the season is over because we lost by 4 points to a ranked and markedly improved Michigan team and we BEAT (note: BEAT) Michigan State by 3 points. Here are my thoughts:

1. There is a common thread to the last 2 games: the referees. Both squads were from the Big 10 conference and both showed plenty of bias in our games. Essentially, we lost to Michigan because the Big 10 wanted them to win. There were baffling no calls on pass interference in that game that would be called by any other officiating crew. And again yesterday. Even Pat Hayden (a former USC quarterback who hates our guts) thought that Michael Floyd scored a touchdown. Phantom personal fouls were also a regular in the game. Not only did we beat a talented and highly motivated Michigan State team, but we beat the Big 10 refs as well. Its practically a crime what they have done to us the past 2 weeks and I hope that Swarbrick has the balls to go public about it. Look for more next week at Purdont.

2. Lets think about this for a minute. The week before the big Notre Dame game Sparty loses at home to Central Michigan. And the week before the big Notre Dame game Purdue loses at home to Northern Illinois. Now, in part this is because MSU and Purdue just aren't great teams. But I also am sure that both teams center their seasons around us (as many teams do) and were looking past their present opponents to playing the hated Irish. You see this every year. Someone will either lose the game after pulling out a tough one against us because of the emotional drain. Or they will lay an egg the week before because they are focusing completely on facing ND. Everyone talks about our weak strength of schedule but not one espn analyst or SI writer takes into account this fact: that every team that we play, Notre Dame is their biggest game of the year. You can see it in fan attendance levels at our games and at unheard of levels of play and coaching from the likes of MSU and Purdue and Michigan.

3. Nut up guys. We are three games into the season and all I see is bitching about Clausen who has put up numbers with McCoy and Tebow and whining about how "The season is overrrrrr :(" because we lost one game in a close and hard-fought match to a team who is going to win 9-10 games this season. Its unbelievable the stupidity and hopelessness of the casual ND fan. You supposed "fans" are almost as hard to stomach as Mark May himself.
 
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Completely agree. I just said it in another thread, but regardless of what happens on the field people will still complain.

One thing about next week, I think the road team usually brings the officials, so I think we should have Big East officials next week.

The only exception is Michigan who requires the use of Big Ten officials, its in the contract.
 

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Agree. thereare alot of good guys in this place and I love NotreDame, butwe do have some of the most obnoxious fans. People who are just never happy. we are over a decade away from being the elite program that the school is known for and some fans cannotaccept that despite the early success Charlie Weis was gven a rebuilding job and got a late start on it. In reality id say this is year 4 of his rebuilding process. The team is much improved in personel, and heart. Yeah we have problems but there are 9 games to go.

Weis should be fired because he just cant coach

Ianello should be fired because in 07 ourrecievers sucked

Polian should be fired because he gave up a kickoffreturn against Michigan

Tenuta should be fired because we gave up 30 2 weeks in a row

Corwin should be fired because the secondary gave up alot of yards yesterday

This need for instant gratification drives some fans crazy. If it was upto them we would have a new coach every 2 years. Let the season play out before claiming the season is over
 

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Everyone is on here and other chat rooms talking about how the season is over because we lost by 4 points to a ranked and markedly improved Michigan team and we BEAT (note: BEAT) Michigan State by 3 points. Here are my thoughts:

1. There is a common thread to the last 2 games: the referees. Both squads were from the Big 10 conference and both showed plenty of bias in our games. Essentially, we lost to Michigan because the Big 10 wanted them to win. There were baffling no calls on pass interference in that game that would be called by any other officiating crew. And again yesterday. Even Pat Hayden (a former USC quarterback who hates our guts) thought that Michael Floyd scored a touchdown. Phantom personal fouls were also a regular in the game. Not only did we beat a talented and highly motivated Michigan State team, but we beat the Big 10 refs as well. Its practically a crime what they have done to us the past 2 weeks and I hope that Swarbrick has the balls to go public about it. Look for more next week at Purdont.

2. Lets think about this for a minute. The week before the big Notre Dame game Sparty loses at home to Central Michigan. And the week before the big Notre Dame game Purdue loses at home to Northern Illinois. Now, in part this is because MSU and Purdue just aren't great teams. But I also am sure that both teams center their seasons around us (as many teams do) and were looking past their present opponents to playing the hated Irish. You see this every year. Someone will either lose the game after pulling out a tough one against us because of the emotional drain. Or they will lay an egg the week before because they are focusing completely on facing ND. Everyone talks about our weak strength of schedule but not one espn analyst or SI writer takes into account this fact: that every team that we play, Notre Dame is their biggest game of the year. You can see it in fan attendance levels at our games and at unheard of levels of play and coaching from the likes of MSU and Purdue and Michigan.

3. Nut up you fags. We are three games into the season and all I see is bitching about Clausen who has put up numbers with McCoy and Tebow and whining about how "The season is overrrrrr :(" because we lost one game in a close and hard-fought match to a team who is going to win 9-10 games this season. Its unbelievable the stupidity and hopelessness of the casual ND fan. You supposed "fans" are almost as hard to stomach as Mark May himself.

that's fkn awesome
 

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Agree. thereare alot of good guys in this place and I love NotreDame, butwe do have some of the most obnoxious fans. People who are just never happy. we are over a decade away from being the elite program that the school is known for and some fans cannotaccept that despite the early success Charlie Weis was gven a rebuilding job and got a late start on it. In reality id say this is year 4 of his rebuilding process. The team is much improved in personel, and heart. Yeah we have problems but there are 9 games to go.

Weis should be fired because he just cant coach

Ianello should be fired because in 07 ourrecievers sucked

Polian should be fired because he gave up a kickoffreturn against Michigan

Tenuta should be fired because we gave up 30 2 weeks in a row

Corwin should be fired because the secondary gave up alot of yards yesterday

This need for instant gratification drives some fans crazy. If it was upto them we would have a new coach every 2 years. Let the season play out before claiming the season is over



I am one of those fans who believe that Weis is not the coach whos going to make ND a ..etc constant power (USC,UF). I think he will field 9 win seasons consistently, but as far as bring ND back to the top. I'm not so sure.

I am aware that ND got shafted by the last coach and CW pretty much had to build the program from scratch and their are still holes that need to be filled. I expected a 10 win season, its still very much possible, but I think 9 is the mark now. There have been several constants that I believe are always going to be a problem with CW as the HC. I listed them in another thread and I'm kinda short on time so I dont want to write them again. Hes a great OC. Phenomenal. But as a HC i think hes not so.

His half time adjustments are never really there. His management of the clock is average to poor. Theres a line between playing to avoid being conservative and playing smart. I think that is a gray area with him. I think hes got trouble walking that line. I had hoped that he would learn and get better, but after 5 years he hasnt, I dont think he will. His defenses are never good. He brought in Tenuta which was a awesome move, hasnt paid off yet, but I think it will eventually. My only problem with the Tenuta decision is that CW seems he left it all to him...as good as offensive coordinator that he is he should know by watching ND's defense, theyre making the opposing quarterbacks jobs alot easier. Hes got to speak up and tell tenuta that he cant bring the house every play bc ND doesnt get pressure. He needs to speak up.

I think CW will field solid teams that will range from 13-25 year in and out. I just dont see him getting over the top. I hope I am wrong and I hope that ill eat my words.

This is just my opinion. Ive been attacked on other boards by people telling me im a "troll" and not a ND fan because I have lost faith in CW. Not the case. Id never wish ND to lose so they can get a new coach. I hope then win out as a irish fan. As a objective football fan I just dont see it.
 

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Everyone is on here and other chat rooms talking about how the season is over because we lost by 4 points to a ranked and markedly improved Michigan team and we BEAT (note: BEAT) Michigan State by 3 points. Here are my thoughts:

1. There is a common thread to the last 2 games: the referees. Both squads were from the Big 10 conference and both showed plenty of bias in our games. Essentially, we lost to Michigan because the Big 10 wanted them to win. There were baffling no calls on pass interference in that game that would be called by any other officiating crew. And again yesterday. Even Pat Hayden (a former USC quarterback who hates our guts) thought that Michael Floyd scored a touchdown. Phantom personal fouls were also a regular in the game. Not only did we beat a talented and highly motivated Michigan State team, but we beat the Big 10 refs as well. Its practically a crime what they have done to us the past 2 weeks and I hope that Swarbrick has the balls to go public about it. Look for more next week at Purdont.

2. Lets think about this for a minute. The week before the big Notre Dame game Sparty loses at home to Central Michigan. And the week before the big Notre Dame game Purdue loses at home to Northern Illinois. Now, in part this is because MSU and Purdue just aren't great teams. But I also am sure that both teams center their seasons around us (as many teams do) and were looking past their present opponents to playing the hated Irish. You see this every year. Someone will either lose the game after pulling out a tough one against us because of the emotional drain. Or they will lay an egg the week before because they are focusing completely on facing ND. Everyone talks about our weak strength of schedule but not one espn analyst or SI writer takes into account this fact: that every team that we play, Notre Dame is their biggest game of the year. You can see it in fan attendance levels at our games and at unheard of levels of play and coaching from the likes of MSU and Purdue and Michigan.

3. Nut up you fags. We are three games into the season and all I see is bitching about Clausen who has put up numbers with McCoy and Tebow and whining about how "The season is overrrrrr :(" because we lost one game in a close and hard-fought match to a team who is going to win 9-10 games this season. Its unbelievable the stupidity and hopelessness of the casual ND fan. You supposed "fans" are almost as hard to stomach as Mark May himself.

While I agree completely with the sentiment of your post, I had to point out this one fact: ND is NOT Michigan's "biggest game of the year". It's not even close. Michigan plays this team from Columbus, OH, every year, that is a pretty big game for them. Dare I say, even a bigger game than ND?
 

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Everyone is on here and other chat rooms talking about how the season is over because we lost by 4 points to a ranked and markedly improved Michigan team and we BEAT (note: BEAT) Michigan State by 3 points. Here are my thoughts:

1. There is a common thread to the last 2 games: the referees. Both squads were from the Big 10 conference and both showed plenty of bias in our games. Essentially, we lost to Michigan because the Big 10 wanted them to win. There were baffling no calls on pass interference in that game that would be called by any other officiating crew. And again yesterday. Even Pat Hayden (a former USC quarterback who hates our guts) thought that Michael Floyd scored a touchdown. Phantom personal fouls were also a regular in the game. Not only did we beat a talented and highly motivated Michigan State team, but we beat the Big 10 refs as well. Its practically a crime what they have done to us the past 2 weeks and I hope that Swarbrick has the balls to go public about it. Look for more next week at Purdont.

2. Lets think about this for a minute. The week before the big Notre Dame game Sparty loses at home to Central Michigan. And the week before the big Notre Dame game Purdue loses at home to Northern Illinois. Now, in part this is because MSU and Purdue just aren't great teams. But I also am sure that both teams center their seasons around us (as many teams do) and were looking past their present opponents to playing the hated Irish. You see this every year. Someone will either lose the game after pulling out a tough one against us because of the emotional drain. Or they will lay an egg the week before because they are focusing completely on facing ND. Everyone talks about our weak strength of schedule but not one espn analyst or SI writer takes into account this fact: that every team that we play, Notre Dame is their biggest game of the year. You can see it in fan attendance levels at our games and at unheard of levels of play and coaching from the likes of MSU and Purdue and Michigan.

3. Nut up guys. We are three games into the season and all I see is bitching about Clausen who has put up numbers with McCoy and Tebow and whining about how "The season is overrrrrr :(" because we lost one game in a close and hard-fought match to a team who is going to win 9-10 games this season. Its unbelievable the stupidity and hopelessness of the casual ND fan. You supposed "fans" are almost as hard to stomach as Mark May himself.

Dude, go to ANY message board and you the exact same things. Don't put this only on ND fans (you too jason); EVERY FAN BASE has these types of fans. I'm not condoning their behavior in the least; I think it's stupid too. But for the most part, on this board, people are positive. Yeah, you have your blowhards, but most people know what's going on.

Go check out the USC boards today. Total meltdown, and this is THE program of the decade. Doesn't matter. After a loss, some idiotic fans overreact. ND is no different from FL, USC, Miami, Mich, hell, even Stanford. Crazy fans are EVERYWHERE...
 

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I don't think it's crazy to be aware of certain lacking, weekly fundamentals. To point these out is being objective and to assess blame is perfectly normal. He's the head coach for a reason. I like this team as much as the next guy and I'll pull for them always--coach included. But I'll always have the right to point out whether or not I think a coach is getting it done based off the aforementioned. In this case, it seems as though there's a disconnect between the O & D. It's probably because of the old OC dog in Weis, to not stake a personal claim with the defense. I note his changing of the guard and I praise him for it, but it needs to be a more hands on approach by the HC and not just another deligation. If we play this way the rest of the year all of our tunes will change. I just hope CW can find the missing piece before that. Otherwise, ...maybe it's time to look? I think it's only fair.
 
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The season isn't lost because of the noted points. The season might be lost if we can't stop anyone and because Floyd is out.
 

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While I agree completely with the sentiment of your post, I had to point out this one fact: ND is NOT Michigan's "biggest game of the year". It's not even close. Michigan plays this team from Columbus, OH, every year, that is a pretty big game for them. Dare I say, even a bigger game than ND?

Yeah I think I've heard of it before, it might of been ranked #1 in some ESPN thingy about being the greatest rivalry of all time. But I digress....

That game was poorly officiated, no doubt, but don't pawn your loss of on it. There were a multitude of holding calls that could of easily been called on ND, and were not. I will not dispute PI calls that should of been called that weren't but. The fact is you guys have a great offense, your D is not great, and you might had beat us had Floyd and Allen not gone out. But they did, and CW called to pass plays instead of keeping the ball on the ground and running the clock out. Had one of those passes been caught you'd be saying he was a genius...

You can check my posts for those that think I'm trolling, I'm not these are just my thoughts. And I'm sure they will be loved =)
 

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Floyd is gone - in steps Shaq!!!!! When all things are rebalanced in the universe, and they soon will be: We wil win again! We will nominate again! Because? WE ARE ND... and they're not!!!!!!
 

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I'm rooting for N.D. to lose at this point. Part of me wanted nothing more than to see the Spartans score a touchdown on that last drive. I am no longer able to experience joy, and have grown immune to pain; in fact, I crave it. I hope we go 2-10 and lose every verbal commitment along the way. Misery loves company. Here's hoping the apocalypse comes sooner rather than later.
 
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I'm rooting for N.D. to lose at this point. Part of me wanted nothing more than to see the Spartans score a touchdown on that last drive. I am no longer able to experience joy, and have grown immune to pain; in fact, I crave it. I hope we go 2-10 and lose every verbal commitment along the way. Misery loves company. Here's hoping the apocalypse comes sooner rather than later.

What the fuck are you talking about?
 

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I'm rooting for N.D. to lose at this point. Part of me wanted nothing more than to see the Spartans score a touchdown on that last drive. I am no longer able to experience joy, and have grown immune to pain; in fact, I crave it. I hope we go 2-10 and lose every verbal commitment along the way. Misery loves company. Here's hoping the apocalypse comes sooner rather than later.

You just joined NDom on the "dead to me" list. I know you probably couldn't care less, but I can't believe that anyone here would actually ROOT for ND to lose.
 

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What the fuck are you talking about?

Its simple; I hate myself, and have come to enjoy the feeling of pain and failure. I love getting rejected by women because I can empathize with their dislike of me. Likewise, I view ND football as an extension of myself, and want to see it crumble. hahahahahaha
 
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i will be honest i hate to see ND in any close games ever, but if they win they win. thats all that matters to me. if they have 200 turnovers and -10 yards but win 3-0 by some way of measure then i would hope they would make changes but i would still be fine with a win.

just as long as they come a way with a win, and actually make improvements for the next week, then let them push forward and having the backing of all the loyal fans.

everyone makes mistakes and have those terrible games, even the so called "elite" teams lose and or have close games.
 

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You just joined NDom on the "dead to me" list. I know you probably couldn't care less, but I can't believe that anyone here would actually ROOT for ND to lose.

Come on man. I'm STILL dead to you? I have been a good boy latley. Please be my friend. LOL
 

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Everyone is on here and other chat rooms talking about how the season is over because we lost by 4 points to a ranked and markedly improved Michigan team and we BEAT (note: BEAT) Michigan State by 3 points. Here are my thoughts:

1. There is a common thread to the last 2 games: the referees. Both squads were from the Big 10 conference and both showed plenty of bias in our games. Essentially, we lost to Michigan because the Big 10 wanted them to win. There were baffling no calls on pass interference in that game that would be called by any other officiating crew. And again yesterday. Even Pat Hayden (a former USC quarterback who hates our guts) thought that Michael Floyd scored a touchdown. Phantom personal fouls were also a regular in the game. Not only did we beat a talented and highly motivated Michigan State team, but we beat the Big 10 refs as well. Its practically a crime what they have done to us the past 2 weeks and I hope that Swarbrick has the balls to go public about it. Look for more next week at Purdont.

2. Lets think about this for a minute. The week before the big Notre Dame game Sparty loses at home to Central Michigan. And the week before the big Notre Dame game Purdue loses at home to Northern Illinois. Now, in part this is because MSU and Purdue just aren't great teams. But I also am sure that both teams center their seasons around us (as many teams do) and were looking past their present opponents to playing the hated Irish. You see this every year. Someone will either lose the game after pulling out a tough one against us because of the emotional drain. Or they will lay an egg the week before because they are focusing completely on facing ND. Everyone talks about our weak strength of schedule but not one espn analyst or SI writer takes into account this fact: that every team that we play, Notre Dame is their biggest game of the year. You can see it in fan attendance levels at our games and at unheard of levels of play and coaching from the likes of MSU and Purdue and Michigan.

3. Nut up guys. We are three games into the season and all I see is bitching about Clausen who has put up numbers with McCoy and Tebow and whining about how "The season is overrrrrr :(" because we lost one game in a close and hard-fought match to a team who is going to win 9-10 games this season. Its unbelievable the stupidity and hopelessness of the casual ND fan. You supposed "fans" are almost as hard to stomach as Mark May himself.

Great post and on the mark. It dismays me to no end just how many people here and other "fan" sites, are calling for CW's head and that the season is over. Show some damn support Irish "fans".
 

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Irishx25--great stuff, I was away this weekend but watched the game by myself and sat there glassy eyed at the 'little 11' refs. Someone has got to question their integrity now. That was bad and I dont care what anyone says a flag here or there can kill ya. The one guy was following Tate like he stole something even after Tate gave him the dam ball after scoring. If it were me I'd tell 'em to pound salt and tell 'em if they dont adjust they can kiss off. IS THERE ANY OPTIONS HERE BY THE AD? I ask that in all seriousness are there options? By the way the o line, Clausen, AA, Floyd, Tate, Rudolph, man what an offense.
 
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C'mon guys .....living here in Dayton, Oh. where the Buckeye fans pound on there chest the first half of every year (this year one exception USC) and play Milktoast Overated H.S. teams to boost themselves in the rankings. A number of times OSU almost lost to Cinci, Miami U, etc....... We play legitimate teams every year some schedules tougher than others but none the less tougher then OSU. They make me sick on how little they drop after loosing or barely beating a crummy team, But its a Win. It makes me sick. We have played to decent teams. Stay positive it aint over yet !


Keep the Faith !
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C'mon guys .....living here in Dayton, Oh. where the Buckeye fans pound on there chest the first half of every year (this year one exception USC) and play Milktoast Overated H.S. teams to boost themselves in the rankings. A number of times OSU almost lost to Cinci, Miami U, etc....... We play legitimate teams every year some schedules tougher than others but none the less tougher then OSU. They make me sick on how little they drop after loosing or barely beating a crummy team, But its a Win. It makes me sick. We have played to decent teams. Stay positive it aint over yet !


Keep the Faith !
Go IRISH !!

I live in Newark and work in Columbus!!! I feal your pain and agree 100%!!!
 

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I live in Newark and work in Columbus!!! I feal your pain and agree 100%!!!

They have the internet, in Newark? Great Googly Moogly. Next, you will be telling me that they have an office building that is shaped like a basket? :wink:
 

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We loose to a team like MSU thats unranked but good, and Mich. that is better then alot of people think, and we dont get any credit. By god OSU beats up on Akron,Toledo,Youngstown St. etc.... they're moving up in the standings. we loose to a good Mich team we drop like a rock. We edge out a decent MSU team and we are still getting no repect. USC beats a mediocer OSU team and looses to an unranked Washington and there still in the top 25. ? how does that happen? I'd have Mich. ahead of OSU and USC.

We have a good team we all know where the problems are. They can put points on the board. 30 or more each game !! Stay positive !! We could conievebly go 11-1 we could !!
Dont give up now !!

Keep The Faith !!!

GO IRISH !!!
 

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I just think fireing weis is not a good idea at all, unless we just don't get anything done this year say 8-4 or worse. I just think that if he is fired, then jimmy is gone, golden is gone, most commits leave i can see some transfers so we are stuck with the same thing as when ty left. but it could be worse if we hire a coach that runs the spread so instead of that coach using charlies players, he has to find ones that A. don't fit or B. has none cuz they all leave a la Michigan last year. but if we go 8-4 or worse then hell with it.
 

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I'm rooting for N.D. to lose at this point. Part of me wanted nothing more than to see the Spartans score a touchdown on that last drive. I am no longer able to experience joy, and have grown immune to pain; in fact, I crave it. I hope we go 2-10 and lose every verbal commitment along the way. Misery loves company. Here's hoping the apocalypse comes sooner rather than later.


You need serious help. Suggest you start with a psychiatrist.
 

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Originally Posted by Echo Insanity
I'm rooting for N.D. to lose at this point. Part of me wanted nothing more than to see the Spartans score a touchdown on that last drive. I am no longer able to experience joy, and have grown immune to pain; in fact, I crave it. I hope we go 2-10 and lose every verbal commitment along the way. Misery loves company. Here's hoping the apocalypse comes sooner rather than later.


Yeah ...... I agree.....Go watch the movie Rudy...or the movie abou knute Rockney.....for inspirational values because you are lost echo insanity...


Keep The Faith !!

GO IRISH !!
 
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