But here's the problem. Notre Dame beats them, they fall out of the top 10. Then you hear "Charlie Weis still doesnt have a signature top 10 win." Michigan was #3 when we beat them in 06.
Yeah, I think that may count. Lets have a reversal of the 93 season! GO IRISH!
I stumbled on to this forum and am incredulous reading these posts. You have to be the most delusional group of sports fans I've ever come across. Get a grip already ! ND is a mediocre (at best) football program because it cannot land the types of players that are needed to be a top notch program. It's as simple as that. The same applies to coaches. Urban Meyer went to Florida instead of ND because he knew that he could recruit good players and have a shot at a national championship. The recruiting situation also applies to the players with high GPAs. Cal, for example has Nobel Laureates coming out the wazoo - which means that ND is SOL even when it comes to recruiting the academically inclined recruits.
ND football is dead and has been so for some time. Take a page out of Duke's playbook and stick to basketball - you only need to find a couple of good players each recruiting season.
Is this even worth a reply?
I wonder where that guy got his facts from. ND has gotten better with the guys they have coming in in the last three years. As far as coaches go CW is pretty good and that is why the top notch programs tell kids that CW will go to the pro's. You just have to face the fact that ND will get better ND's young this year and will get alot better and that is what we all know. 1st year and highly recruited players include QB,WR,TE,RB,O-line, LB, DB,and please don't let me forget about CB being a 1st time DC. All because it is ND everyone has got to say something even if it is wrong in every way. I don't mind you coming here and talking football but please speak of the things you know not what others tell you.
I stumbled on to this forum and am incredulous reading these posts. You have to be the most delusional group of sports fans I've ever come across. Get a grip already ! ND is a mediocre (at best) football program because it cannot land the types of players that are needed to be a top notch program. It's as simple as that. The same applies to coaches. Urban Meyer went to Florida instead of ND because he knew that he could recruit good players and have a shot at a national championship. The recruiting situation also applies to the players with high GPAs. Cal, for example has Nobel Laureates coming out the wazoo - which means that ND is SOL even when it comes to recruiting the academically inclined recruits.
ND football is dead and has been so for some time. Take a page out of Duke's playbook and stick to basketball - you only need to find a couple of good players each recruiting season.
I stumbled on to this forum and am incredulous reading these posts. You have to be the most delusional group of sports fans I've ever come across. Get a grip already ! ND is a mediocre (at best) football program because it cannot land the types of players that are needed to be a top notch program. It's as simple as that. The same applies to coaches. Urban Meyer went to Florida instead of ND because he knew that he could recruit good players and have a shot at a national championship. The recruiting situation also applies to the players with high GPAs. Cal, for example has Nobel Laureates coming out the wazoo - which means that ND is SOL even when it comes to recruiting the academically inclined recruits.
ND football is dead and has been so for some time. Take a page out of Duke's playbook and stick to basketball - you only need to find a couple of good players each recruiting season.
The recruiting situation also applies to the players with high GPAs. Cal, for example has Nobel Laureates coming out the wazoo - which means that ND is SOL even when it comes to recruiting the academically inclined recruits.

ND football is dead and has been so for some time.
I stumbled on to this forum and am incredulous reading these posts. You have to be the most delusional group of sports fans I've ever come across. Get a grip already ! ND is a mediocre (at best) football program because it cannot land the types of players that are needed to be a top notch program. It's as simple as that. The same applies to coaches. Urban Meyer went to Florida instead of ND because he knew that he could recruit good players and have a shot at a national championship. The recruiting situation also applies to the players with high GPAs. Cal, for example has Nobel Laureates coming out the wazoo - which means that ND is SOL even when it comes to recruiting the academically inclined recruits.
ND football is dead and has been so for some time. Take a page out of Duke's playbook and stick to basketball - you only need to find a couple of good players each recruiting season.
Damn. I guess I'll just quit rooting for the team I've grown up with and the school I went to.
Perhaps I should start rooting for a dumb school. Maybe along the lines of a Florida school. Then I'd have more integrity, because the team I root for is a winning team that is not "dead."