Another post about the coaching situation.

MeanGreen

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Hey maybe we should give a prize to the one millionth post about the coaching situation. Have we past that mark yet? Here is my entry!

The coach talk around the boards is at a dizzying pace. Names are being thrown around like nothing seen before. I do think we need to heed the warnings of Todd Blackledge from last night. Do not make the change just to make the change. If we are going to make a change, they better have the coach signed sealed and delivered before the fire CW. I do believe Lou was signed sealed and delivered before Faust was let go. Here are the names of the contenders. One other point to consider is how much time do we give the new guy, especially if his schemes for offensive and defense do not fit the players we have now.

Urban Meyer. Good thing it is Advent season for us Catholics and we all can practice forgiving. We have called him just about every name in the book, since he stood us up at the alter 4 years ago. Also his stealing a couple recruits has not hurt his image with us. His recruiting tactics have not endured him to anyone in college football. My question is this, has his family really grown up enough for him to handle Notre Dame now? Fours years is not a long time, he has am 18, 14, and a 9 year old. Will he move them again? Go from Utah to Florida was a dream. Florida to the Midwest, not so much! Another point is will he come under our terms or his. Would he want some admissions department leeway? How much would Florida put up to keep him? How long would he stay?

Brian Kelly. I do not know a lot about him. Great a Grand Valley State. Average at CMU and 2 big season at Cincy. Can he recruit? He was only at CMU and Cincy for 3 years, did some winning with others guys players. Winning in the Mac and Big East is a little different than SEC, Big 12, or Pac-10. To short of a resume for me to think he could succeed at ND. Would he get ND.

Mike Leach. Would he really leave Texas Tech for us? Has a great thing going there. Similar to Meyer leaving Utah 4 years ago, Florida was easier to recruit for. I think he stays there, easier to recruit. Even if he picks up Texas leftovers, he has a lot. Does build some great offenses. Would he get ND or would he be another Davie and think there are better jobs out there.

Butch Davis
. Has been a winner everywhere he went in college. Has had a past of rules infractions. Interesting choice. He is at a basketball school now, where no matter what he does it will be second fiddle. Recruiting there can not be easy, some in state talent but not enough to build a consistent winner. Not sure he would pick us over Clemson or some other big time southern schools (Auburn).

Jon Gruden
. It would be great. The team would never lack emotion and fire. NBC might have to remove all mics from the ND sideline! Would definitely get ND, but would he get the college game. Did spend about 6 years as a college assistant. How much would it take and would he really want to come.

Skip Holtz. Not getting as much buzz as the 5 others I mentioned, but is getting some. Understands ND just as much, if not more than anyone listed. Good offensive coach, works wonders with what little he has. Like Kelly would becoming to the biggest job of his career. Could he pull a Kiflin and get his dad to come one board?

Charlie Weis
. I just added him for the fact we do not know if he is going. What if he made some great staff adjustments. Call it a reboot. Say Walt Harris as Offensive coordinator, his offenses were not bad at Pitt, he beat us twice. We probably have the players for his offensive scheme. Plus his head coaching experience could be an asset to CW. Andy Heck or Aaron Taylor as O-line coach. Junior Bryant or Chris Zorich as D-line coach. A top notch QB coach. Could these staff adjustments make CW a winner?

There are others listed out there, but this post would have taken days to write and by that time news of the decision could have leaked out!
 
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Charlie Weis promised "Every game you will have a decided schematic advantage."

why aren't you more patient to see it? I mean.... he said he would bring it. ...he said it in 2004. 10 days ago everyone in here was saying it was Ty's fault we haven't seen it yet. Why so impatient? All of Ty's horribleness will be gone. FINALLY THE BRILLIANCE WILL BE UNLEASHED!!!!
 

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I might add one to the list, Brady Hoke from Ball State, similar to Brian Kelly.

From your list I choose Kelly, if only because none of the other selections will not come here. Now while you say winning the Mac is different than the SEC or Big12, you are correct. But simply by coming here he will have upgraded his talent 10 fold. The key to a great college coach isn't schematic advantages or super bowl rings, its getting the players to buy into you and performing at 110% effort all the time. Kelly is one of those people.

So saying that, if we go with one of the big named coaches you bet we are dumping millions per year his way for a long time with no guarantees. If you grab an up and comer, Hoke or Kelly, while you might risk how the program performs, you won't be shelling out a lot of money to do it. And really, can it get much worse than this?
Frankly people seem to be happy with mediocrity and getting pasted by USC every year. I can't stomach it.

So its either that or go join the Ivy league where we may be able to compete.
 
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What about Phillip Fulmer? He may have had a few bad years recently but was pretty darn good over his tenure at UT. Not saying this would be who i want to replace Charlie if they decided to fire him but just tossing another name out there.
 

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Fulmer is a hell of a guy. He had the same problem however that we are facing. No results on the field with good talent.

One thing i would like to see. (I know I am Joe nobody) I would like hear CW come out and say what he thinks will turn this crap around. Whats the freakin plan? No excuses, no apologies just WTF are you going to do to correct it?

Is that asking too much or has the horse left the barn already?
 

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By the way, I watched the Fulmer show this morning and it was heartbreaking in a way. He has been there for some thirty five years in some capacity. It will seem wierd with him not being there. I hear Clemson is knocking on his and Bobby Johnsons door.
 

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Fulmer is a hell of a guy. He had the same problem however that we are facing. No results on the field with good talent.

One thing i would like to see. (I know I am Joe nobody) I would like hear CW come out and say what he thinks will turn this crap around. Whats the freakin plan? No excuses, no apologies just WTF are you going to do to correct it?

Is that asking too much or has the horse left the barn already?

I would also like to hear CW's excuses on why they turned out so bad. There has to be something. It wasn't like they decided one day that they just didn't want to play anymore (Or could it?).
 

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I would also like to hear CW's excuses on why they turned out so bad. There has to be something. It wasn't like they decided one day that they just didn't want to play anymore (Or could it?).

But why? I'm with Aralou on this; If Charlie MUST stay (looks that way, if they aren't meeting until next week) then I want to hear what changes will be made to turn the thing around.
 

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But why? I'm with Aralou on this; If Charlie MUST stay (looks that way, if they aren't meeting until next week) then I want to hear what changes will be made to turn the thing around.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I want to hear everything.

I want to know why this team hasn't improved in 2 years
I want to know why this team can't play a full 60 minutes
I want to know why this team can't close the deal

And if CW's going to stay, I want to know what changes he's going to make on the staff and who he has in mind to replace him/them.
 

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I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I want to hear everything.

I want to know why this team hasn't improved in 2 years
I want to know why this team can't play a full 60 minutes
I want to know why this team can't close the deal

And if CW's going to stay, I want to know what changes he's going to make on the staff and who he has in mind to replace him/them.

I know. I just don't want to hear the excuses. I don't care about the past at this point, I just want to hear about the future and why I shouldn't go into the winter thinking its going to be as bleak as the last two have been.
 

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I just wonder if Charlie stays what if he hires Joe Montana as QB coach ? Or if Weis goes ND hires Joe Montana as head coach ? It may be more work than he wants at this stage in his life but it sure would be good for recruiting.
 

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I just wonder if Charlie stays what if he hires Joe Montana as QB coach ? Or if Weis goes ND hires Joe Montana as head coach ? It may be more work than he wants at this stage in his life but it sure would be good for recruiting.

Oh great! Another name added to the list.
 

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I dont really care who we get! Just as long as they are a proven winner and can make this team win again and be competative.
 

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I just wonder if Charlie stays what if he hires Joe Montana as QB coach ? Or if Weis goes ND hires Joe Montana as head coach ? It may be more work than he wants at this stage in his life but it sure would be good for recruiting.

I think that would be a colossally bad idea. Montana is not a coach. He's good to trot out for occasional mascot duty, but thats about it.
 
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