Ty's been fired...

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Sat down with my best friend Jack Daniel's tonight and wrote this.

I guess we all know the outcome from tonight's game. The question is what do we do next? My opinion along with many other ND fans is to release Ty from his coaching duties. I saw a man tonight that was coaching to keep the score close (probably so he could keep his job) and not coaching to win the game.
I'm 90 percent sure ND will release Ty. It just make's no sense to bring him back another year or two. In that year or two his expectations will be to high for what he's capable of achieving. It's a lose-lose situation for both. If you release Ty he'll still be able to stay in coaching somewhere. He'll still have good things to put on his resume like taking stanford to the rose Bowl, his first year with the Irish, beating Michigan twice, beating Michigan St twice, Beating Tennesse this year, Destroying FSU his first year, his first recruiting class, and finally running a clean program.
Unfortunately for Ty the list of things that went wrong is much longer. For ND this is a losing situation bringing back Ty because recruiting is fading and will continue to fade if Ty is brought back. Recruits know he's on the hot seat. Bob davie was a bad coach but during his stay he mainly recruited top 10 classes, Ty is lucky to recruit a top 25 class. Also while I believe the players have respect and play hard for Ty, I think there comes a point when a player see's a coaches technique or system what ever you wanna call it isn't working. Therefore while they still may respect him they still may ponder in there head, is this the right play call, is the coach doing the right thing here. If your players aren't 100% on board with the coach, then a change is needed.
Who should the new coach be? Obivisouly some serious thought has to be put into this. We can't have the debacle we had the last time. Most important we need someone who loves ND and loves what it stands for. Gruden and Meyer certainly fit that description. If Gruden were hired it would be all over the news. Recruits would flock to him he wouldn't even have to offer them. We all know his coaching ability. He won a friggin Super Bowl not to long ago. Oh yea and the team he beat was the team he coached the prior season, the Oakland Raiders. Boy he sure made Bill Callahan a hot coaching prospect. Oh and Grudens Bucs were big underdogs. Enough of him who's the other candidate, Oh yea Urban. Well he may be the next best thing in college football. I'm hearing Steve Spurrier comparisons. Or maybe we'll land Butch Davis, or maybe Stoops, maybe Saban, heck maybe we'll get Pete Carroll, but please don't hire BC's O'brien.
More needs to be done though besides changing the coach. Monk Malloy the president of ND sure as heck has shown me that ND football isn't his main concern. Why did this man not give any credence to the state of the football program? While I respect him enormously and the sacrifaces he has mad in life, I cannot for the life of me understand why ND football did not matter to this man. Maybe he didn't like ND's reputation as a football school. Well let me tell you something, the only reason I know about the University of Notre Dame is because of the football team. Soon after I first started to follow ND football, I learned how it was a top 20 school academically, how it's a Catholic school, how it has one of the best alumni, all of which I would have never known if ND didn't have a football team. Monk you failed to see this. I hear your moving on, good luck in your futre endeavers. To the soon to be president, Father Jenkin's I hope you realize the importance of Notre Dame Football. Alum's and Subway Alum's like myself need to make it known to Father Jenkin's how important ND football is to us and the country. It's America's team.
In conclussion as ND fans we must remember there has been down periods before. Although this one is longer then usual there's a first time for everything. There is no doubt in my mind that ND will be great again. Many program's were down and had fallen from the ranks, take USC for example, they were bad for about 20 years ( odd good year here and there) until carroll arrived. Same with oklahoma before stoops, heck look at Florida with zook, all the talent in the world and he couldn't win. Coaching is more important then people think. Basketball you can win with talent, but not football it mainly comes down to coaching. Ty is gone trust me, when you fail in life it catches up with you believe me, and Ty has certainly failed as a coach.


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Well, you make some very good points.

But I will disagree on some too;

1. Bob Davie was a good recruiter.
He was a terrible recruiter, he couldn't get a QB to save his life, I know your gonna say that he got QB's to fit his style. and he did, but they were bad at playing his style. If he was an option style where are his good running backs, Julius Jones maybe the only RB from ND in the NFL from his recruting period.

2. Ty Willingham is a bad recruiter.
I will be in the front of the line for firing Losingham, but I will also be the first in line to keep him on as a scout or recruiter. He as done a great job of bringing in great players: Tom Zbikowski, Brady Quinn, Darius Walker, Victor Abiamiri, Anthiny Fasano, Justin Hoskins, Rhema Mckinght.......And so on.

These players are top 25 recruits at there positions, not to mention the brothers Olsen. (who unfortunatly left, prolly in turn cause of him but he did get them there).

Those are the things i disagree with, but i will always agree with FIRE HIM AND HIS ASSISTANTS NOW!!!!

BRING on the Urbanization of the Notre Dame football program!!
BRING on Urban Meyer!!
 
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bradyquinn said:
Well, you make some very good points.

But I will disagree on some too;

1. Bob Davie was a good recruiter.
He was a terrible recruiter, he couldn't get a QB to save his life, I know your gonna say that he got QB's to fit his style. and he did, but they were bad at playing his style. If he was an option style where are his good running backs, Julius Jones maybe the only RB from ND in the NFL from his recruting period.

2. Ty Willingham is a bad recruiter.
I will be in the front of the line for firing Losingham, but I will also be the first in line to keep him on as a scout or recruiter. He as done a great job of bringing in great players: Tom Zbikowski, Brady Quinn, Darius Walker, Victor Abiamiri, Anthiny Fasano, Justin Hoskins, Rhema Mckinght.......And so on.

These players are top 25 recruits at there positions, not to mention the brothers Olsen. (who unfortunatly left, prolly in turn cause of him but he did get them there).

Those are the things i disagree with, but i will always agree with FIRE HIM AND HIS ASSISTANTS NOW!!!!

BRING on the Urbanization of the Notre Dame football program!!
BRING on Urban Meyer!!



Bob Davie was an aweful coach, but his recruiting classes were ranked in the top 10 every year. Willingham has only had one top 10 class since he's been here (2002). 2001 the Davie/Willingham class was nice but not top 10. Last years class wasn't even ranked in the top 25 by anyone, I believe Tom Lemming had it ranked the highest at 27th rivals had it ranked 32nd. If Ty is such a good recruiter why hasn't he recruited any corners. Look at the corners that are starting for us right now, they look like division two players, none of them were highly recruited. We recruited some good corners last year in Lambert and Jabbie, but how good can they be. They didn't even see the field this year.
 
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why do you listen to what other people tell you??

why do you listen to what other people tell you??

Look at how they perform on the field, Ty Willigham's recruits are playing alot better then anything davie produced. EVER

And just cause they say it's a top 10 class doesn't mean anything. It's how well the players play. J D Booty was the number 1 QB 2 years ago and I think he has seen the field once in 2 years. If he is so good why is he taking a back seat the players who weren't ranked in the top 20 of thier positions when they were recruited???

You can't go by what people rank as the top classes.
 

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Remember the predictions of Ron Powlus winning TWO Heismans before he'd ever even taken a snap?

I don't care how a recruiting class is "ranked." I care how they actually play. If the guys doing the ranking were so smart, they'd be coaching, not coming up with weird little formulas just to give people like us something to bitch about in online forums.

As for whether Davie's recruits or Willingham's recruits played better, well... so far the records pretty much call it a tie.
 
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Well??

Well??

Your admitting i'm right then??

I would say so, you were the one saying that bob davie is such a good recruiter, cause of the class rankings and that ty is a bad one cause of the rankings. Now your saying who cares what other people say??

Make up your mind.
 
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Davie brought in highly touted kids. But he did an aweful job bringing out there talent. Look at david givens. Willingham is doing the same thing with some of the highly touted recruits he got. Look at Stovall and Mcknight, they should both be a whole lot better.
I don't put to much credence into recruiting rankings but for the most part they tend to be accurate. Look at oklahoma, miami, usc, texas there classes have been highly ranked for years now, and its proven, as they have been some of the best teams. There not always right about certain guys, but there pretty accurate. Davie/willinghams class was good 2002 class was very good, but last years class was aweful. Sure there were some good players walker hoskins lambert but overall it wasn't a elite class.
Why hasn't willingham recruited well in the secondary. Both are starting corners are backup corners at best at any other big division 1 school.
Davie's recruited very we in the secondery, vondez duff, jerome sapp, shane walton(walk on won't count him) glenn earl all made the nfl. Also did a great job with the linebacker recruiting Courtney Watson (NFL) Goolsby, hoyte, Curry. in 2002 4 of our staring offensive linemen went to the nfl, the next year the fifth went to the nfl.
Alot of Davies players went to the nfl. He recruited great talent was just unsuccessful bringing out there talent. Cause he was a shitty coach. What makes you think Willingham will turn that sub par class last year into a great class. He hasn't proved he can develop players.
 

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bradyquinn said:
Your admitting i'm right then??

Make up your mind.

Um... no, dude. You're mixing me up with QueensNY. I'm Vince Young.

See, if you're going to insult someone for what they said, make sure you're insulting the right person.
 
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Ty is out!!!!!!.....finally, its been a rough 2 years

Actually I think only last year was rough. This year was frustrating but promising. I think it will be rough having to wait another year or 2 for the next ball coach to work in his offensive package.

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I kinda think this year was "rougher" than last. At least we knew we were gonna get whipped. This year, we lost games we already won! Watching BC march down with less than a min left; come backs like Purdue, and Stanfords scare. I think this year was worse than last.
 
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