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Bogtrotter07

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We will always be let down if we compare ourselves to others that play by different rules...this is what pisses me off! I think losing Greenberry is nothing short of a disaster. I read that losing Floyd will benefit our passing game due to more targeted receivers. This is BS IMO. Having a 5 star receiver is not the problem. Not having other elite receivers and a D2 qb is the problem. The qb situation will be fixed going forward with Rees on third string duties..the WR is our GLARING need. Yes I love Brown and Ferguson, but we need more of these guys. Throwing to Toma,TJ and Theo gets you another 8-5 with lots of luck. Sorry to vent but and don't mean to be disrespectful. Just my honest 2 cents.
First, the posters that were justifying things were doing just that. They were trying to make the facts fit their limited understanding of things.
Second, overall development of all players is the only wan ND (Kelly) will succeed. Kelly says it all the time, “Next man in.” He needs three players ready at every position. And these last two years have been the first time in his career he hasn’t had the horses ready at quarterback.
Third, one glaring weakness with Kelly, if you aren’t the right kind of guy, or your personality doesn’t mesh, you shouldn’t play for Kelly. It’s 100 percent or nothing. Jump in the cow **** when you’re told to or forget about it. It builds the kind of program that can elevate some lesser players.
Fourth, the great thing about the “lesser players” that Kelly, Martin, et al., are recruiting is that they all have speed. Much more so than Cinci, or Mt. Pleasant.
Fifth, there are guys like Matthias Farley that could be tapped for corner back or wide receiver, and remember John Goodman was granted a fifth year, weeks ago. I chuckle about how preposterous this sounded to so many experts!
Sometimes I have to be reminded myself, that it takes time, the right people, and the right players to truly change the culture of a college football program.
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First two posts are exactly why I love ND and feel BK is the right man for the job and he has the same mentality that has been missed since Holtz....big Lou said it best in his tweets and showed the type of men ND is making....and it makes me proud to be fan!
He's getting enough to win-this guy and staff will coach them up and they should win. Let the debutaunts go other places
I met Zack Banner this fall. I was immediately impressed by three things. He was a very athletic mountain of a man; he was a kind good person; and he was (I felt) incredibly immature. I mean he was skipping along singing to Gunner Kiel. I thought about it and asked myself, what I would do if that was my son. Nope, I would have had a serious talk with him. Don’t get me wrong, I immediately liked Zack, he just had an incredible immaturity about him that I think would have rendered him less than effective for ND. Kind of like Seantrel Henderson, only much nicer. The point is, the Shaq Thompsons, DGB’s, Keith Marshals, Arik Armsteads, Ronald Darbys, etc., are going to rarely come to Notre Dame. That is why we have to respect the Gunner Kiels that do, and that is why Kelly needs such a team of such specific personality types to succeed.
I literally wasted two hours of my day trying to logically explain to the irrational children on facebook why they were embarrassing themselves and our fan-base as a whole.

You can’t; don’t bother. That is why we will start our own gang. Seriously, Kelly tried to explain it to the fan base in his interview, and his analogy was wonderful. But you can’t explain something to someone who can’t see it. I can see it primarily because of the influence of my Senior Drill Instructor, Staff Sgt. Hall. He was one of the best men I ever met. An African-American who saw combat from Iwo Jima to three tours in Viet Nam, the man was a perfect study in quiet dignity. In his late 40’s or early 50’s during a time of racial divide, he would run backwards and circles around us youngsters when we were dying at the pace on a three mile run, all the while reminding us that we all bleed the same color in his Marine Corps, green. He also had us willing to walk through walls for the Corps. This is the exact mentality at play with the Kelly staff at Notre Dame, and why the coaching changes were fundamental to the future success of the program. (Mark my words; the coaching changes will have a HUGE effect on the success of the program.)

I try only to psychoanalyze Urbie...that said, alot of the cliff jumping comes from guys embarassed that some kid chose Houston....a nobody school over Notre Dame. Sure he'd have been great to have...probably a nice young man. But our collective problem is, we take an act that makes no sense to ANYONE and turn it into a whack on our credibility...look, the dog thats been beat too much routine gets old...stop cowering and wimpering. Leme help ya...its an 18 year old kid, who may not have wanted the pressure of competing at ND, maybe he didn't see a clear path to starting immediately, maybe he saw something in himself that made him shrink from the challenge...had he chosen FSU, tOSU, Bama, LSU, etc...I'd be more upset...had he chosen Stanford I'd be bummed...this is not an indictment of ND...its the reality that sometimes a kid sees a path more safe and comfortable.

My mentor, his wife, and I had a conversation about Urbie. We think the reason that he didn’t come to coach at ND either before or after Weis, was the same reason that he jumped at the Ohio State job. Culture, it is all how tied your hands are. Urbie could not have met with the same kind of success at ND that he did at Fla or will at tOSU. Compared to what preceded him he could almost execute his underperforming athletes to open up more scholarships! And that is why the two ND coaches that flipped to work for him were both a godsend for him and for ND!

There is a reason we have always seen eye to eye PHG! What upset me is not the things that these fans say, but kick in the nuts these fans seem to think they are always taking, via ND ****ups. Why assume a highly paid professional staff is always making mistakes, let alone those that think they could do better!
 
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Bogtrotter07

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New Poster in fact 1st time. Love ND football and have my whole life as well as my family. Come from an Irish Catholic family from Jersey City, NJ. I have been watching this board for 5 years and think it is the absolute best!!!! Just wanted to say if you think this class is bad or the coach didn't do his job you weren't looking at recruiting 6-7 years ago. I was just not on this site and this site is far better than any you will find that is why I have been coming here for the last 5 years. Great and interesting conversation and level headed for the most part. Don't know why people freak out about recruitments, some are great, some are bad, most would say it is the coaching and the person who is in charge of how great they are. I say its the person. If someone commits or decommits its the person the are. I think ND is on the way back but time will tell. Hopefully not my last post but just want to say love this board and all everyone who thinks the coach is at fault or they didn't do enough certainly hasn't followed recruiting.

Welcome! Great to hear from you, hope you keep it up!
 
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Posts like that are what consistently impress me about ND. I disagree with much of what you wrote, but that's because I'm pessimistic and am jaded. However, I've only been an avid fan of ND for 5 years, and I'm jaded, yet a lot of you have been fans for 20+ years and show no signs of slacking optimism. I applaud you for that and envy your mental fortitude.

I am really glad you posted this! I appreciate your honesty and your incredibly tactful way of stating your perspective. That makes this thread a win-won for me!

Many people are fascinated with US elite military forces. Of course they always emphasise the physical prowess, or marksmanship, etc. But you have hit upon what really makes the difference. I am not an optimist. I insist on changing my environment to meet my needs. (I do it without harming others.) But I will NEVER quit until I have achived my goal. I hope you understand how fatigue and optimism never enter into it. It is all about persevernence until you reach your goal and a clear understanding of your objectives. These are the same principles that result in the pinpoint military successes we read about regularly, and they are key to Kelly's success. In a strang sort of irony, this is why the nay-sayers that say, "we just need more wins" are right. Not to attract a certain type of athlete that won't come to ND anyways, but to inspire more confidence in the athletes we already have and help move the program forward.
 
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