Is Dayne Crist the Problem?

[jason_h537]

Lets put the performance into perspective. He took too many sacks. He made too many bad throws. He threw for 200 plus yards, but 80 of it was on one play. He threw for 3 TDs. Floyd made the most of a bad throw on the first TD and the 2nd TD was more of a handoff than a pass to Floyd. If we are being objective here, there is more bad than good with the performance today.

well to counter. The OLine left him out to dry much of the 1st half. His TD to Eifert was a bullet on the money with a guy in his face.

Of course he is a work in progress and still leaves much to be desired but he is a 1st year starter in a new system

The OP suggested he is the "weak link" that is keeping us from being great. that is ridiculous.

 

[Senoj13]

well to counter. The OLine left him out to dry much of the 1st half. His TD to Eifert was a bullet on the money with a guy in his face.

Of course he is a work in progress and still leaves much to be desired but he is a 1st year starter in a new system

The OP suggested he is the "weak link" that is keeping us from being great. that is ridiculous.

The TD to Eifert was nice, but he waited way too long to throw the ball. Eifert was not covered the entire play and was wide open in the middle of the field. Crist rolled right and Eifert had to move to meet him to make the play happen.

If you look at the offense as a whole...QB, RB, WR, TE, OL. Where is our "weak link" in that grouping. To me, its QB.

 

[KPENN]

The TD to Eifert was nice, but he waited way too long to throw the ball. Eifert was not covered the entire play and was wide open in the middle of the field. Crist rolled right and Eifert had to move to meet him to make the play happen.

If you look at the offense as a whole...QB, RB, WR, TE, OL. Where is our "weak link" in that grouping. To me, its QB.

Ah shoulda known you'd chime in

 

[military_irish]

The TD to Eifert was nice, but he waited way too long to throw the ball. Eifert was not covered the entire play and was wide open in the middle of the field. Crist rolled right and Eifert had to move to meet him to make the play happen.

If you look at the offense as a whole...QB, RB, WR, TE, OL. Where is our "weak link" in that grouping. To me, its QB.

I don't care how he get's his 200+ yards, if he throws a pass and it is tipped by 11 defenders and then caught by an ND receiver and ran in for 80 yards it doesn't matter how it was caught all that matters is it was caught for a TD.

People get too caught up in style points, many "experts" hated how Tebow passed, but guess what they still won games.

So I don't care how the points are scored, if they are scored and ND wins. Then it's all good.

Of course they can be better, but they won and they continue to grow so I can sleep good tonight

 

[Senoj13]

Ah shoulda known you'd chime in

Are my points valid or is your man crush getting in the way?

 

[KPENN]

Are my points valid or is your man crush getting in the way?

No it's called being a realist you moron

 

[Senoj13]

I don't care how he get's his 200+ yards, if he throws a pass and it is tipped by 11 defenders and then caught by an ND receiver and ran in for 80 yards it doesn't matter how it was caught all that matters is it was caught for a TD.

People get too caught up in style points, many "experts" hated how Tebow passed, but guess what they still won games.

So I don't care how the points are scored, if they are scored and ND wins. Then it's all good.

Of course they can be better, but they won and they continue to grow so I can sleep good tonight

I agree fully that if the Irish win, I don't care how its done. But when someone tries to offer an opinion of the QBs performance and the response is to throw out how many yards he has, I think its then valid to state how he got those yards.

 

[jason_h537]

The TD to Eifert was nice, but he waited way too long to throw the ball. Eifert was not covered the entire play and was wide open in the middle of the field. Crist rolled right and Eifert had to move to meet him to make the play happen.

If you look at the offense as a whole...QB, RB, WR, TE, OL. Where is our "weak link" in that grouping. To me, its QB.

wha... The Eifert TD was like 5 seconds total, he rolled to his right avoided an unblcoked defender and just threw it. Are we talking about the same play. He basically took the snap a step and threw it

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

well to counter. The OLine left him out to dry much of the 1st half. His TD to Eifert was a bullet on the money with a guy in his face.

Of course he is a work in progress and still leaves much to be desired but he is a 1st year starter in a new system

The OP suggested he is the "weak link" that is keeping us from being great. that is ridiculous.

If it is ridiculous, can you suggest any other area other than QB position that ranks among the weakest links on this team? The OLBs don't count because I believe they are doing what they are told.

I have to disagree with the idea of the OLine hanging him out to dry. I even stated in the gameday thread (and therefore my point is valid...) that I wondered what the heck the QB was looking at downfield so intently that he didn't notice defenders approaching him almost directly in front of him, and definitely within his vision. Seems he could have dumped off, or simply stepped into the pocket, or ducked, then take off running. His bullets that were completed were nice, but the bullet he tossed to his receiver 5 yards away? Again, once the play calling became simplified and balanced in the 2nd half, he sure looked good. But that is on the playcalling, if you ask me.

EDIT: Senoj beat me to the post. Agree with him totally. QB waited a bit long to release the ball. Eifert was probably wondering if he was ever going to throw it.

 

[Senoj13]

No it's called being a realist you moron

Very astute.

 

[KPENN]

Very astute.

Well all you come on here and do is beat the dead horse with your distaste for Dayne and add absolutely nothing else so hey

 

[Senoj13]

wha... The Eifert TD was like 5 seconds total, he rolled to his right avoided an unblcoked defender and just threw it. Are we talking about the same play. He basically took the snap a step and threw it

I am talking about his TD after they called two consecutive TO's. Crist could have thrown the ball in 1.5 seconds if he made the read. No one covered Eifert.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Lets put the performance into perspective. He took too many sacks. He made too many bad throws. He threw for 200 plus yards, but 80 of it was on one play. He threw for 3 TDs. Floyd made the most of a bad throw on the first TD and the 2nd TD was more of a handoff than a pass to Floyd. If we are being objective here, there is more bad than good with the performance today.

If you're going to just give us stats, why not use a boxscore?

(throwing) 18 28 255 64.3 3(TD) 1 (INT) 169.0

(running) 5 -6 -1.2 9 1(TD) 0


Not fabulous, but pretty darn good. He accounted for 4 TDs in 3 quarters and the only pick he threw hit both of his reciver's hands. Again, he certainly could be more accurate, but that will come.

I don't know what gets you so worked up about Dayne, Senoj, because you seem to consistently interpret what he does through the worst possible perspective. I don't mind a little analysis with a sledgehammer, but your "objective" breakdown of Crist's game was nothing of the sort.

 

[jason_h537]

1st this whole thread suggests that if lets say Jimmy was our QB we would be playing for the national championship which is wrong

2nd this thread suggests that Dayne should be fully prepared to be a star and the people who bash him seem to conveniantly ignore that he is a 1st year starter in a new system

Granted Dayne has struggled this year, particularly against BC and early today, but he has too much talent and poise for people to not see his potential

 

[Senoj13]

Well all you come on here and do is beat the dead horse with your distaste for Dayne and add absolutely nothing else so hey

I'm sorry if you don't agree with my opinion of his performance today, but this type of debate is what make this forum great!

 

[Senoj13]

If you're going to just give us stats, why not use a boxscore?

(throwing) 18 28 255 64.3 3(TD) 1 (INT) 169.0

(running) 5 -6 -1.2 9 1(TD) 0


Not fabulous, but pretty darn good. He accounted for 4 TDs in 3 quarters and the only pick he threw hit both of his reciver's hands. Again, he certainly could be more accurate, but that will come.

I don't know what gets you so worked up about Dayne, Senoj, because you seem to consistently interpret what he does through the worst possible perspective. I don't mind a little analysis with a sledgehammer, but your "objective" breakdown of Crist's game was nothing of the sort.

I had one opinion of his performance in a previous game that will stick with me for a long while, so I understand why you don't want to hear me on this. I am saying that I was not overwhelmed with what he did today. He threw an 80yd TD that was under thrown and could have been incomplete, he threw a 5 foot TD, and he threw a TD to a receiver that was never covered from the start of the play.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Also, on a deep ball with 1 on 1 coverage, sometimes an underthrown ball is the best pass possible. Part of the reason Floyd was able to beat the CB covering him was that all of the CB's momentum was headed one way and he couldn't shift it back and keep coverage on Floyd. For all you know, that ball went exactly where Dayne wanted to put it. Bottom line: TD. I didn't know we were docking players for big plays now.

 

[Senoj13]

1st this whole thread suggests that if lets say Jimmy was our QB we would be playing for the national championship which is wrong

2nd this thread suggests that Dayne should be fully prepared to be a star and the people who bash him seem to conveniantly ignore that he is a 1st year starter in a new system

Granted Dayne has struggled this year, particularly against BC and early today, but he has too much talent and poise for people to not see his potential

Jason...I think your 2nd point is good. I am guilty of expecting much more of him and thought he would step in and be great from the first snap. Even if that is an expecation was exaggerated, I don't think he is where we think he should be.

 

[Senoj13]

Also, on a deep ball with 1 on 1 coverage, sometimes an underthrown ball is the best pass possible. Part of the reason Floyd was able to beat the CB covering him was that all of the CB's momentum was headed one way and he couldn't shift it back and keep coverage on Floyd. For all you know, that ball went exactly where Dayne wanted to put it. Bottom line: TD. I didn't know we were docking players for big plays now.

When receiver has a DB beat, the best throw is not to underthrow it. And I'm not docking players for big plays. The post offered and opinion that was negative and the response was to throw stats at him. All I am saying is that sometimes an 80 yard TD has nothing to do with the QB.

 

[military_irish]

I had one opinion of his performance in a previous game that will stick with me for a long while, so I understand why you don't want to hear me on this. I am saying that I was not overwhelmed with what he did today. He threw an 80yd TD that was under thrown and could have been incomplete, he threw a 5 foot TD, and he threw a TD to a receiver that was never covered from the start of the play.

The 1st TD is great for the fact a QB has a receiver that can catch anything, he needs to make the 2nd throw because it is so close and the 3 rd TD is what is suppose to happen, the QB needs to find the open guy.

I don't know what people expect of Crist but he does what needs to be done to win at this point. And this is his 1st year in this system and he is catching on fast. Nothing but great things in the future.

Nothing toward you Senoj, you just happened to be the poster at the time.

 

[Senoj13]

The 1st TD is great for the fact a QB has a receiver that can catch anything, he needs to make the 2nd throw because it is so close and the 3 rd TD is what is suppose to happen, the QB needs to find the open guy.

I don't know what people expect of Crist but he does what needs to be done to win at this point. And this is his 1st year in this system and he is catching on fast. Nothing but great things in the future.

Nothing toward you Senoj, you just happened to be the poster at the time.

No problem Military. This is why we are all here and posting! Your points are good.

 

[IrishinSyria]

When receiver has a DB beat, the best throw is not to underthrow it. And I'm not docking players for big plays. The post offered and opinion that was negative and the response was to throw stats at him. All I am saying is that sometimes an 80 yard TD has nothing to do with the QB.

I watched the play again just so I could make that comment. Also the Eifert TD.

Floyd didn't have the guy completely beat when Crist threw the ball. It's not unreasonable to think that it was a deliberate come back.

As for the Eifert TD, Crist rolled right into the blitz and did a great job making the rusher miss. After that, he kept running. Watching it on video, it seems like he could have thrown it about half a second earlier. However, Crist had a very different view of the play. There would have been no way for him to know that the blitzer had been picked up* after he juked him. He kept rolling out to create a little separation in-case the guy was going to be able to swat the ball away. It was only a free TD after Crist identified the blitz and made the guy miss. (It starts at about 9:20.)

*barely picked up

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[OlympiaIrishFan]

Thank you posters for defending Dayne. He is a super talent. His first year starting, hardly playing at all last year, new offense, new coach, no Golden, a hurt Rudolph, oh yeah and came back early from an ACL tear!!!!! And somebody is ripping him? Did he not lead us back to take the lead in the Michigan and Michigan State Game?

People ripping Dayne just **** me off. We should thank God we have him. He looks like a future NFL QB to me, and he is all Irish!!!!! Support not Rip. He isn't a problem at all!!!

This thread just angers me!! We should thank our lucky stars he is here!

Go Irish!!!!

 

[jason_h537]

wait you can't say ****?

 

[Irish To The Core]

This is the kind of nonsense that makes this forum scary. Unless you are a Pollyanna believe in ND no matter what you are a troll. Dayne threw for 250+ today - awesome. He also missed several throws I could have made (the roll out miss to Floyd was really bad, the should have been pass interference tofloyd wouldn't have mattered if the pass wasn't far too high to a wide open receiver etc). And let's not forget this was a really bad team. If Dayne isn't the weak link, what is?

I can't believe you are calling ANYTHING nonsense. If you are not a troll, then you know zero about football. If you are going to continue posting here, please change your name, you are far too dim to be bragging about being Canadian...you embarrass the rest of us from Canada.

Crist is, at this point, somewhat inconsistent, we can all see that. But if you knew anything about football at all (and believe me I truly do not think that is the case) you would understand that learning a new style of offense and leading a team in transition in your first year as a starter, one would be a fool to expect Crist to play any better than he has.

What makes this forum scary is that every dill weed with an internet connection can spout whatever foolish babble pops into their ignorant heads...the thing that makes this site great is that members who have half a clue will call you for such foolishness.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

No Jason, but for some reason pussy is acceptable. lol

 

[Junkhead]

.you embarrass the rest of us from Canada.

Justin Bieber is from Canada.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Justin Bieber is from Canada.

Are you suggesting this thread was started by Justin Bieber?

 

[military_irish]

Are you suggesting this thread was started by Justin Bieber?

OMG Justin Bieber is on here, o my o my let me go get my hair straight and put a new out fit on.

Is it hot in here or is it just me?

 

[GreatGolson]

Are you suggesting this thread was started by Justin Bieber?

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