ND Cancels 2013 Game with Army

[Riddickulous]

2013 Army/Notre Dame no longer planned - College Fantasy Football Insider

Scheduling conflicts.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Or... this could be something really telling... perhaps... tipping their hand to the Big 10?

 

[johnnykillz]

Certainly fishy. Damn.

 

[bert2834]

Yeah, I think this is a sign that they are going to join the Big Ten or(gulp) the Big East.

I would have liked for ND to stay Independant forever but that is just not likely anymore.

Big Ten(or whatever they will be called) is the best fit for the Fighting Irish.

 

[GoingGreen]

Hopefully this is just scheduling conflicts. Since the Big 10 has already got a twelfth team, that means that they probably won't be looking for anymore teams to add to their conference. So, if this means that Notre Dame is looking to join a conference, the Big East may be their only choice, and nobody wants that to happen except for the guy who runs the Big East.

 

[TerryTate]

Hopefully this is just scheduling conflicts. Since the Big 10 has already got a twelfth team, that means that they probably won't be looking for anymore teams to add to their conference. So, if this means that Notre Dame is looking to join a conference, the Big East may be their only choice, and nobody wants that to happen except for the guy who runs the Big East.

False. Wrong.

Notre Dame will not join the Big East. Big 10 will extend an offer to another school for 14. Let's be serious people.

 

[johnnykillz]

So what now with the Big 10 now that Nebraska, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are supposedly joining the conference?

Can someone in tune with conference alignment name the teams that have joined or will join?

 

[TerryTate]

So what now with the Big 10 now that Nebraska, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are supposedly joining the conference?

Can someone in tune with conference alignment name the teams that have joined or will join?

University of Oklahoma is set to leave the Big 12 to join the Pac-10 but is waiting for Texas to declare its conference affiliation intentions before making the move officials, OU sources have told The Oklahoman.
The University of Texas board of regents is scheduled to meet Tuesday to discuss the school's conference affiliation.
While, OU athletic director Joe Castiglione said he's working to keep the Big 12 together, another athletic director from conference told The Oklahoman that task "seems like a longshot."
Texas AD DeLoss Dodds told a fellow Big 12 AD, "We don't think the Big 12 without Nebraska is real viable."
Colorado has already left the Big 12 for the Pac-10, and the prevailing belief is that Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will follow.

Report: Oklahoma close to defecting to Pac-10 but waits on Texas - Sporting News staff reports - College Football - Sporting News

 

[IrishInFl]

So what now with the Big 10 now that Nebraska, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are supposedly joining the conference?

Can someone in tune with conference alignment name the teams that have joined or will join?

These teams are joining the PAC-10.

 

[johnnykillz]

You know what, you're right. Damn.

 

[Riddickulous]

It'd be fun to finally get Nebraska back for what happened back in 2000.

 

[WabashFalcon]

If ND joins the Big 10... look for one of Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, or Mizzou to join...

I wouldn't put it past the Conference to expand to 16.... with two eight team divisions.

 

[Irish93]

I'm thinking that the final four could be WVU, Pitt, Louisville and ND. That would leave a lot of rivarlies in place, and bring some basketball power to the Big Ten.

 

[bjohnmwc]

I thought the Big 10 was always rumored to have eyes on 16. Out of those 4 teams you just named, I'd think Mizzou (geographically) but Pitt could also be a fit for the Big 10 (if it were a case of mokey see, monkey do and a team were to follow ND's lead).

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Final 4 teams

Missouri (Kansas City/St. Louis)
Notre Dame (obviously)
Rutgers (NY/NJ media market)
Syracuse (basketball and expands media market)

 

[Lou Holtz]

all roads point to the Big Ten my friends

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I doubt tradition will die with it. Joining the Big Ten does not mean we have to burn down the Golden Dome or kill Lou Holtz, contrary to what some believe.

 

[BillyIrish]

Final 4 teams

Missouri (Kansas City/St. Louis)
Notre Dame (obviously)
Rutgers (NY/NJ media market)
Syracuse (basketball and expands media market)

^^^^ what he said. hopefully without the Irish

The real question is do the ACC or the SEC look to expand again. Without Texas and possibly both NY/NJ schools, where do they turn? Texas A&M would be interesting in the SEC west but certainly not like Texas. I could see Clemson and Georgia Tech jumping ship, but that is just slicing up the pie even more.

As for the game with Army. Swarbrick is either closing in on a deal with Miami and the neutral site game would be at Soldier Field or he is keeping his options open.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Final 4 teams

Missouri (Kansas City/St. Louis)
Notre Dame (obviously)
Rutgers (NY/NJ media market)
Syracuse (basketball and expands media market)

good list...but missouri wont be joining the big10.
mystery guest #4 will be.......Kansas.
mark it down.
and to be honest, it will probably also be pitt instead of syracuse.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

good list...but missouri wont be joining the big10.
mystery guest #4 will be.......Kansas.
mark it down.
and to be honest, it will probably also be pitt instead of syracuse.

Agree completely....

From a business standpoint, ND, Kansas (basketball), Pitt and Syracuse make the most sense of them all... Missouri, not so much however.

 

[Praytorian]

Goodness, if we HAVE to join a conference PLEASE let it not be the Big 10. Look at the recruiting areas of the major confences (for now).

SEC (even though I dont like it, they are the best conf. right now) down south. They have the south just about locked up with few slipping out of their grasp.

Big 12 (probably disbanding and moving to make the PAC 10 even more powerful). Texas.
Oh yeah they have a few more states but who needs them with Texas?

Pac 10 (most likely to gain 2 of the premier teams in CFB today - TX and OK) just about like the Big 12 they have a powerful recruiting state in California. They also have the rest of the west coast locked up, and if the Texas schools join in they will have CA and TX.

ACC (probably going to get the rest of the Big East teams when it flounders) Most of the East coast schools and some of the south.

Big 10 Midwest even picking up Nebraska they have the midwest........

ND being Independent can still recruit well from all the areas they just need to schedule better (and WIN). The dropping of Army will help but they need to pick up bigger schools on their schedule and they can keep their Independence and still have a shot at the National Title.

just my 2 cents,
Pray

 

[Irish4Life09]

Goodness, if we HAVE to join a conference PLEASE let it not be the Big 10. Look at the recruiting areas of the major confences (for now).

SEC (even though I dont like it, they are the best conf. right now) down south. They have the south just about locked up with few slipping out of their grasp.

Big 12 (probably disbanding and moving to make the PAC 10 even more powerful). Texas.
Oh yeah they have a few more states but who needs them with Texas?

Pac 10 (most likely to gain 2 of the premier teams in CFB today - TX and OK) just about like the Big 12 they have a powerful recruiting state in California. They also have the rest of the west coast locked up, and if the Texas schools join in they will have CA and TX.

ACC (probably going to get the rest of the Big East teams when it flounders) Most of the East coast schools and some of the south.

Big 10 Midwest even picking up Nebraska they have the midwest........

ND being Independent can still recruit well from all the areas they just need to schedule better (and WIN). The dropping of Army will help but they need to pick up bigger schools on their schedule and they can keep their Independence and still have a shot at the National Title.

just my 2 cents,
Pray

This is not 1940.Being independent does not help us anymore.It doesnt make us look cool.It doesnt really separate us in anyway except people hating us for thinking we're better than everyone.
Being independent hurts us in the long-run.
The landscape of college football changed a long time ago,and for some reason we never caught up.If we dont do something soon, we will become what most people think we are now, "irrelevant."
With the current changes, if we don't join a conference our program will be done.
I heard the greatest quote today from Herbstreit.
"Yes, Notre Dame gets to keep all the money they get from going to a BCS game by being independent....but when was the last time they made a BCS game?"
I am sick and tired of hearing all of the fanboys on this website that are AFRAID of change.Whatever conference we join will accomodate us. We are the mecca of college football, they will bow down to our demands. If they dont make us the spotlight of their tv coverage, we'll probably get our own PPV coverage or something along that lines.
It gives us a chance to win conference championships.And don't even say that wouldn't be cool.
It allows us to have some amazing rivalries once again.
Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska. Plus we will add big rivalries with Wisconsin and Iowa.
We'll still play our normal 8 games a season against the big10 with the likes of michigan and purdue. And we'll also still probably have 4 non-conference games against teams like Oklahoma and Miami.

There are ZERO reasons not to join the Big10..it is time ladies and gentlemen!!

 

[bert2834]

Ok, with being able to recruit nationally, we will still schedule USC every year which gives us the West Coast and we have 6 games with Boston College until 2019 which gives us the East Coast.

We will still be able to recruit and play a national schedule because WE ARE NOTRE DAME!!!!!

There are some easy wins in the Big Ten(Indiana, Northwestern) even though some of those teams are better some years.

That would mean we play 6 or 7 conference games, 4 or 5 OOC games, 1 being USC, 1 BC, that leaves 2 or 3 games that we can schedule with whoever.

We just need to win and the rest will take care of itself. Trust in the people that run ND, they know better than us.

 

[irishmarine]

Thy would make two major power conferences with the PAC 10 and big 10 with the other conferences following suite. I wouldn't be shocked to see the sec go after Miami and possibly fsu then the acc would compensate by raiding the big east of their teams to ultimately vreate four or five power conferences. This seems to me like this first step leading to a playoff with the winners of inference championships fcing each other in the major bowls and then an and one for national championship. I would still rather we stay an independant but if it happens then we have to make a move. Plus the big ten would be the most valuable conference in America and it would allow us to keep most of our rivalry games and still be able to face sc in the rose bowl.

 

[Ben E.]

whats a fanboy? is that supposed to be an insult? is their such a thing as a fanman? hahahaha

 

[Irish93]

Agree completely....

From a business standpoint, ND, Kansas (basketball), Pitt and Syracuse make the most sense of them all... Missouri, not so much however.

I have heard some Mizzou rumors, but not sure if it is wishful thinking of alumni. To me, neither Syracuse nor Rutgers make any sense to me. I understand trying to get into the NY market. I'm just not sure that anyone really cares about either team.

Pitt makes so much sense due to geography and PSU already in (you get both FB and BB with them as well)

WVU makes sense because of its rivarly with Pitt (and you get quality FB and BB)

The last one I'm on the fence about. I was thinking that Louisville would be a good fit from a geographic perspective. But, not so sure if there are better options out there.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Agree completely....

From a business standpoint, ND, Kansas (basketball), Pitt and Syracuse make the most sense of them all... Missouri, not so much however.

You guys are kidding, right? Kansas is pretty worthless to anyone other than Conference USA or the Mountain West. The Big Ten won't touch them with a a 10 foot pole. Basketball doesn't mean anything when it comes to these things. Kansas brings absolutely nothing to the table.

Missouri brings you the St. Louis and Kansas City markets. The poster that had Missouri, ND, Syracuse and Rutgers as the Big Ten's wish list had it right. They all bring POTENTIAL eyes (which is what this whole thing is about). Connecticut is a darkhorse if ND doesn't want to go (it rounds out the NY triangle with Rutgers and Cuse).

If the Big 10 was stupid enough to target Pitt, or some southern team, the ND will stay independent, b/c the Big East will survive. But if the Big Ten plucks two of the 3 NY teams, ND may have no choice, the Big East dies without the NY teams.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

To me, neither Syracuse nor Rutgers make any sense to me. I understand trying to get into the NY market. I'm just not sure that anyone really cares about either team.

Yeah, its hard to understand, but its not about geography or if anyone REALLY cares about the schools or not.

The Big Ten has to sell its network on a per-user basis. So, if you own a particular market, you get to chager more per-user, whether anyone ACTUALLY watches it or not. It doesn't matter that no one gives a shit about Rutgers or Cuse football. What matters is that Rugers and Cuse alumni populate that area, and that area is the single most densely populated media market in the US. Its about POTENTIAL eyes, not actual viewership.

Which is always why basketball is zero factor in all of this - the NCAA tournament neutralizes its effect as far as the schools are concerned - the NCAA makes the windfall off that tournament, not the schools. Thats why Kansas is meaningless in all of this. They have no media market to speak of (they split KC with Missouri, but Missouri gives you St. Louis too, which makes them the more desirable of the two, by far - remember, potential eyes).

 

[Irish93]

Yeah, its hard to understand, but its not about geography or if anyone REALLY cares about the schools or not.

The Big Ten has to sell its network on a per-user basis. So, if you own a particular market, you get to chager more per-user, whether anyone ACTUALLY watches it or not. It doesn't matter that no one gives a shit about Rutgers or Cuse football. What matters is that Rugers and Cuse alumni populate that area, and that area is the single most densely populated media market in the US. Its about POTENTIAL eyes, not actual viewership.

Which is always why basketball is zero factor in all of this - the NCAA tournament neutralizes its effect as far as the schools are concerned - the NCAA makes the windfall off that tournament, not the schools. Thats why Kansas is meaningless in all of this. They have no media market to speak of (they split KC with Missouri, but Missouri gives you St. Louis too, which makes them the more desirable of the two, by far - remember, potential eyes).

I agree with your analysis. Nebraska might run against that though since there is probably more tradition associated with Nebraska than pure viewership in the state.

Rutgers does seem to be crazy high on the Big 10s list. I have to believe that the NY viewership is the controlling factor.

 

[phork]

The Big10 has cooled considerably on Missouri since the fever was at its highest over a month ago. I would see ND, Pitt, Rutgers and Maryland believe it or not.

PS: Aside from football, a conference doesn't add a Nebraska and stop there. Nebraska offers nothing in regard to recruiting and TV viewership. There will be more incoming to the Big10.