Defensive Systems by The Numbers

[Ben E.]

AL typicaly(in the past) runs the 50 defense and the strong side linebacker plays in with his hand in the grass like a down lineman.its been a couple years since i have seen avon lake play but i would question what position he realy plays... is he a true 4 technique DE or hybrid linebacker/9 technique?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

AL typicaly(in the past) runs the 50 defense and the strong side linebacker plays in with his hand in the grass like a down lineman.its been a couple years since i have seen avon lake play but i would question what position he realy plays... is he a true 4 technique DE or hybrid linebacker/9 technique?

Are you talking Sam or OLB or DE in the 50? 4 technique tells me it's an eagle formation. 9 technique tells me DE. Geez, I guess the game is really passing me by. Wabash, tko, TDHeysus, help me out here. Lingo is starting to confuse me. I can't imagine a 6'7" Sam or Mike at all, especially on all 4s. We had a 6'4" Sam in high school (he went on to play D1 OT), but he got chopped by the smallest of linemen almost every down. Good thing he was a badass and smashed most of them. He was often put at nose in a 6-5 and crunched the QB almost as soon as the ball was snapped.

 

[Ben E.]

Are you talking Sam or OLB or DE in the 50? 4 technique tells me it's an eagle formation. 9 technique tells me DE. Geez, I guess the game is really passing me by. Wabash, tko, TDHeysus, help me out here. Lingo is starting to confuse me. I can't imagine a 6'7" Sam or Mike at all, especially on all 4s. We had a 6'4" Sam in high school (he went on to play D1 OT), but he got chopped by the smallest of linemen almost every down. Good thing he was a badass and smashed most of them. He was often put at nose in a 6-5 and crunched the QB almost as soon as the ball was snapped.

where im from a 4 technique lines up heads up on the O tackle and yes in what i am refering to he would look very much like a even front D end. it may have been a week to week adjustment from them i dont know but it was pretty interesting. 233 just seems a little light to play heads up against a tackle with the schedule they play... is all im saying! its is always good to discuss terminology with people in other locations imo! for instance an "eagle" look for me growing up was a "4 "1 "3 alignement with tnt's.

 

[WabashFalcon]

The 50 I know has the same personel as a 3-4... with your OLBs playing agressive run on the outside... your Mike's a Nickle Cb. Stop the run at the line w/ fast flow safety help...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

where im from a 4 technique lines up heads up on the O tackle ..."eagle" look for me growing up was a "4 "1 "3 alignement with tnt's.

An eagle for us meant LB's lined up either head up (4 technique) or outside shade (5 technique) of the tackles. So I guess we are on the same page. Otherwise in the base 50 or 52 they lined up outside shade of the guards. We called that a 5 9 (outside shades for the tackles and ends. LBs were outside shade of the guards). Line alignment could be called on the spot. 9 0 9, 8 1 9, etc. Every coach had their own lingo and system for calling the D, but it was essentially similar.

Either way, this kid at 6'7" with a 4.9 40 sounds like a beast.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

FWIW
A (zero technique) would mean a nose tackle aligned nose-to-nose with a center.
(1 technique) the defensive lineman is lined up in the middle of the A gap.
(2 technique) defensive lineman is nose-to-nose with the offensive guard.
(3 technique) defensive lineman is lined up in the middle of the B gap or outside shade of the guard. He is responsible for maintaining outside leverage and not letting himself get hook or reached blocked by the offense.
(4 technique) defensive lineman is lined up nose-to-nose with the offensive tackle.
(5 technique) meant that the defensive lineman had his nose on the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle.
(6 technique) was nose-to-nose with the offensive tight end.
(7 technique) meant the defensive lineman had his nose on the inside shoulder of the offensive tight end.
(8 technique) meant that the defensive lineman was aligned on air outside the outside shoulder of the offensive tight end.
(9 technique) meant that the defensive lineman has his nose on the outside shoulder of the offensive tight end.

 

[Ben E.]

FWIW
A (zero technique) would mean a nose tackle aligned nose-to-nose with a center.
(1 technique) the defensive lineman is lined up in the middle of the A gap.
(2 technique) defensive lineman is nose-to-nose with the offensive guard.
(3 technique) defensive lineman is lined up in the middle of the B gap or outside shade of the guard. He is responsible for maintaining outside leverage and not letting himself get hook or reached blocked by the offense.
(4 technique) defensive lineman is lined up nose-to-nose with the offensive tackle.
(5 technique) meant that the defensive lineman had his nose on the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle.
(6 technique) was nose-to-nose with the offensive tight end.
(7 technique) meant the defensive lineman had his nose on the inside shoulder of the offensive tight end.
(8 technique) meant that the defensive lineman was aligned on air outside the outside shoulder of the offensive tight end.
(9 technique) meant that the defensive lineman has his nose on the outside shoulder of the offensive tight end.

dead on!

 

[Ben E.]

An eagle for us meant LB's lined up either head up (4 technique) or outside shade (5 technique) of the tackles. So I guess we are on the same page. Otherwise in the base 50 or 52 they lined up outside shade of the guards. We called that a 5 9 (outside shades for the tackles and ends. LBs were outside shade of the guards). Line alignment could be called on the spot. 9 0 9, 8 1 9, etc. Every coach had their own lingo and system for calling the D, but it was essentially similar.

Either way, this kid at 6'7" with a 4.9 40 sounds like a beast.

what you are descibing we called simply our "base" and then when we called 50 "eagle" we aligned 4-1-3 with our down lineman...but your right just a few terminology difference with essentialy the same substance.

hopefully his 6 -7 frame is one that will support some big weight gain!!! i will have to make sure i make it to one(or more) of his games this year so i can report back to you guys!!!

as i recall the games i saw them do this in were against zone offenses so as i said it may have been an adjustment to the opponent.

 

[ryno 24]

We used the i system the nose is the same
so 0 head on 1 is in the A gap
But 2i is inside the guard 2 is head on and 3 is outside the guard
4i is inside the tackle 4 is head on and 5 is outside the tackle
6i is inside the tackle 6 is head on and 7 is outside the tight end

it seems like in Notre Dame's 3-4 the Nose would be in either a 0 or 1 and then the DE would either be 4i or 5 or in your system or 4 or 5 in your system

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

what you are descibing we called simply our "base" and then when we called 50 "eagle" we aligned 4-1-3 with our down lineman...but your right just a few terminology difference with essentialy the same substance...

Actually I misspoke. We called what I described a "double eagle"