Front Page CBS Sportsline Article: Anti-ND

BearGB

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This article frustrated me on a number of levels. He claims we have been terrible since 1999, which is relatively true, but his reasons are skeptical at best - just plain wrong at worst. If you are going to bash Notre Dame, please do it properly - otherwise you come off as an ignorant... whatever. We all know that we have not had success in recent years, but to hate this much on a program that has done a lot of good for college football and what it stands for - to me is irresponsible and disappointing. Shame on CBS for posting this nut as the cover story for their "College Football" site.

If nothing else, read the last paragraph and see where this guy's heart lies...

Independence isn't free -- just ask Notre Dame - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com
 

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3 BCS bowls since 99. Its funny how only Notre Dame is considered irrelevant for being an above average program
 

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I totally agree - this article frustrated me at many different levels.

While others complain about our schedule being too weak, he's actually proposing we join the Big Ten to add "games against three or four Big Ten bottom-feeders every year".
It just reminds that a lot of haters just inherently dislike Notre Dame and are just interested in being anti-ND.
 

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Gregg Doyel is one of the biggest haters out there, and has been for a long time. Hating for hate's sake when it comes to Notre Dame is his M.O. I read this article today too. Its really nothing new from him.

Most of his points are easily dismissable, such as his insinuation that Notre Dame's recruiting has been lacking due to their independent status. This is despite the fact that ND under Weis has recruited at least as well or better than 10 of the 11 Big "Ten" teams the past 5 years I'd say. OSU is the only one that's been markedly better in my mind, and well, what do you expect? Winning begets better recruiting, and combine winning, a good recruiter/coach like Tressel, and a storied program like OSU, and you have the trifecta of college football. But it has nothing to do with OSU being in a conference. If ND wins on the level of OSU, they will recruit on that level too. Hell, Weis' first 2 years when he was winning on that level, they pretty much were recruiting on that level as well.

Then he pulls the old "Lets take a sound-bite out of a much larger statement the Notre Dame AD said, and spin it to make him sound ridiculous" with the whole USC line. ND's home-and-home configuration with USC was 1 out of about 5 or 6 reasons Swarbrick gave for remaining independent, but of course Gregg spun it to sound like it was the only reason.

Then there's the $20 million figure he throws out there for the Big Ten, SEC, etc schools' payout from their TV contracts, compared to the $9 million ND gets. Now, Swarbrick admitted ND's number was less, so I won't argue that it isn't. However, if you look at the link to the original article, that $20 million figure comes from the Big Ten schools T.V. and radio contracts. ND's $9 million is just what they get from NBC. This does not include Notre Dame's contract with ISP Sports, which makes Notre Dame the only school in America to have all of its football games broadcast nationally on the radio. I couldn't find an article that gives any info on what that contract is worth, but I was able to find one that listed Auburn's contract with ISP at $5.7 million. Just for the sake of argument, lets say ND's is equal (and lets face it, its probably more). That means we're talking about $14.7 million vs $20 million. Still a big difference, but not the less-than-half figure Doyel throws out there.

Hey, its Notre Dame football. Haters are gonna hate. Homers are gonna...ugh...home? And the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I just hope that if Kelly gets this program on the right track to a NC someday, the guys like Doyel are man enough to admit they were wrong. I doubt Gregg will, but I can still hope.
 

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If I remember correctly, Doyel was also the one who wrote that Tavaris Jackson had a realistic chance at beating out Brett Favre for the starting QB job with the Vikings, then recently wrote an article defending himself about his comments. He was completely wrong, and won't admit it, unlike Prisco.
 

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Thanks for confirming my suspicions about Doyel, guys. Even more than him, I guess I am disappointed that the SEC network... I mean CBS, sorry, would put this as their cover story.
 

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These are the same old tired pieces that have been put out for years on end about "joining a conference"

The fact that so many people want to "help us out" in pushing towards a conference should tell you the price of the snakeoil.

The shear anger it brings out in people is a tell tale sign that it probaably is good for ND to stay just how they are.
 

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Look at it this way boys. Let everyone and their mothers call us irrelevant or overly hyped or whatever flash word they decide to use on us each week. The time will come, and I hope soon, where our product will shut everyone up and we can ride that train of confidence once again. We have stuck with this team and that patience will pay off. When we are great again, anyone that tries to jump on our train, whether it is the media or one of your friends, will get a swift kick to the throat and a gentle shove off the train. This is our team boys, and we are coming back.

Gosh I hate Gregg Doyel.
 

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Hey, even mark may said notre dame played well this year about after the BC game and he started to believe in that good'ol luck of the irish
 

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Must be a slow day at the sports copy desk, this stuff is right in line with bigfoot-lockness monster-elvis-and Tiger's latest misstep. Man can someone give these journalists a life, please, give them a life.
 

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The only time I pay attention to CBS is when the ND Bball is on or the Bears.....The CBS broadcasters are queer for Tim Tebow and many others..
 

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The argurments that have been used against Notre Dame not being a contender, have literally been used since the 1950's. I was watching something on TV where the guy was quoting an article on the Irish's struggles and how they would never reclaim the glory of years past and that they should pack it in and accept it.

The commentator then said that the article had been published in 1950 or something and that these arguments that are used against Notre Dame, when they are down, have been used time and time again. Each time we have arisen from the ashes to reclaim our throne atop the College Football landscape and I believe it has everything to do with the man at the top.

I do believe that BK could be that guy, but I've been wrong before. Only time will tell, but these arguments that are used against Notre Dame tell more about the people making them, then the program itself in my opinion. I have no doubt that ND will return to the top, it's just a matter of the right man to lead us there.
 

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BK said it... It's all about winning championships... and I believe him.

Honestly... I think they (haters) are afraid... and they should be... they should be very afraid...
 

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Weak, unknown, hack sports "journalist" thinks to himself, "How do I get my articles read? Oh yeah, steal, er adapt, the same shrill and specious talking points everyone else uses!"

This is the reality of sports journalism. They are all sheep.
 

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Except for warchant.com's Gene Williams. That dude knows how to write well!
 

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another reminder

another reminder

The argurments that have been used against Notre Dame not being a contender, have literally been used since the 1950's. I was watching something on TV where the guy was quoting an article on the Irish's struggles and how they would never reclaim the glory of years past and that they should pack it in and accept it.

The commentator then said that the article had been published in 1950 or something and that these arguments that are used against Notre Dame, when they are down, have been used time and time again. Each time we have arisen from the ashes to reclaim our throne atop the College Football landscape and I believe it has everything to do with the man at the top.

I do believe that BK could be that guy, but I've been wrong before. Only time will tell, but these arguments that are used against Notre Dame tell more about the people making them, then the program itself in my opinion. I have no doubt that ND will return to the top, it's just a matter of the right man to lead us there.
First of all this is a great post and I couldnt agree more. I'm 57 and have heard it for 3 decades when the Irish arent up to par but let me share this short note on the subject. I watch the tony barnhardt show on cbs college sports and check out what Jim Nantz said as he was interviewed back in oct/nov. Barnhardt a real southern 'dick' tees up Notre Dame in a comment to Nantz on how ND is irrelevant and cant ever get back to real national prominence etc etc. Nantz (stud) says I couldnt DISAGREE more, the school and coaching job is the most important position in all of college football, he says with due respect to Fla or anyone else riding high these days there is no school that holds Notre Dames position in college football. Barhardt just huffs and moves on to the next question. By the way the show is a sec love in but the point is they are sooo afraid of a strong Notre Dame program because the college football world has no real control over Notre Dame. When the Irish win big its like no other so they grind away now hoping that Notre Dame does not come back. They are scared to death, and thats REALITY not just some blogger (me) popping off on a Notre Dame web site.
 
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