Kiper has Clausen #1 QB

[Big23Head]

Said it today on his ESPN chat...

Also said he is a Kelly fan for the ND job and later that if he were Meyer he would take the ND job.

 

[Big23Head]

So I can't spell...Clausen

 

[DCirishfan]

Keep in mind that he is a life long ND fan, I agree with him but still he is not impartial when it comes to ND.

 

[wallym]

Said it today on his ESPN chat...

Also said he is a Kelly fan for the ND job and later that if he were Meyer he would take the ND job.

He should be #1. With the level of competition he's played against, he should be the top QB. Boise St's QB #'s are video game like, but just imagine what JC's would be like if we played in that conference.

 

[DCirishfan]

Well your point regarding boise st is valid but I don't think the other highly ranked qbs are playing for bosie st. I believe that Bradford, if healthy, should be ahead of Jimmy and I am not counting Mallett in Ark who I think is the best pro prospect in the country but obviously he is not coming out. I also like the qb from Texas Tech alot. Outside of these qbs imo the rest are a big fall off and are going to move late first and beyond. I think that Somebody may take Jake Locker fairly quick but Mccoy will not have a great combine IMO and his size will hamper him.

 

[DCirishfan]

Also I DO not like Jevon S at all for the record.

 

[rogosIRISH77]

If Jimmy is going to leave, which I am sure he would if he was going to be first QB taken, I wish him the best and hope this is so. But honestly, Kiper is a joke. I don't know why they even let him cover the draft, he is so far off every season its incredible. All Kiper does is report what the draft picks will be once the teams basically announce who they are going to pick. I don't read or listen to anything that he puts out there. For Jimmy's sake, I hope he ends up being right, but fuck Kiper is an idiot.

 

[DCirishfan]

If Jimmy is going to leave, which I am sure he would if he was going to be first QB taken, I wish him the best and hope this is so. But honestly, Kiper is a joke. I don't know why they even let him cover the draft, he is so far off every season its incredible. All Kiper does is report what the draft picks will be once the teams basically announce who they are going to pick. I don't read or listen to anything that he puts out there. For Jimmy's sake, I hope he ends up being right, but fuck Kiper is an idiot.

Kiper knows more about the draft than most GMs do, I think you are offbase. I know many agree with you though.

 

[LeapinLeprechaun]

Kiper sucks. No way Jimmy is #1 QB. He needs another year of college or he will be a bust in the NFL. He'll take the money though.

 

[HoosierMP]

Well your point regarding boise st is valid but I don't think the other highly ranked qbs are playing for bosie st. I believe that Bradford, if healthy, should be ahead of Jimmy and I am not counting Mallett in Ark who I think is the best pro prospect in the country but obviously he is not coming out. I also like the qb from Texas Tech alot. Outside of these qbs imo the rest are a big fall off and are going to move late first and beyond. I think that Somebody may take Jake Locker fairly quick but Mccoy will not have a great combine IMO and his size will hamper him.

You're right on...Bradford's health is the big question mark...Clausen has proven his toughness and durability...I liked Bradford as the best QB prospect at the beginning of the year, but after that shoulder injury I think Clausen is easily the #1 QB on the board...McCoy's size will hurt his stock...Snead amd Locker are the "wildcards" because I think both of them could use another year of college ball...and I don't think Tebow is anywhere even close to being a pro QB.

On a seperate note, yes, Kiper is an ND fan (as well as a Ravens fan)...and he does get it wrong more often than he gets it right...but him and McShay know the talent better then most; including the GM's...I think we all know Clausen is a stud prospect, but I'm more interested on his thoughts on Tate...Call me crazy, but I think Tate could be the next Marvin Harrison (but with a better personality lol).

 

[DCirishfan]

I think what he said was Tate was clone of Steve Smith some questioned his true speed and size but he had the toughness. I think here again the combine will decide if he is a # 1 or a mid # 2. his 40 time will make a difference as will his actual height. I am sure his vertical is off the charts because, well, I have EYES and have seen my boy jump so high as he could give TD Jesus a respectful fist bump. I thin you see Golden tate go in between picks 25 through 45.

 

[DCirishfan]

Kiper sucks. No way Jimmy is #1 QB. He needs another year of college or he will be a bust in the NFL. He'll take the money though.

Are you Sam Bradford's advisor in disguise?

 

[HoosierMP]

I think what he said was Tate was clone of Steve Smith some questioned his true speed and size but he had the toughness. I think here again the combine will decide if he is a # 1 or a mid # 2. his 40 time will make a difference as will his actual height. I am sure his vertical is off the charts because, well, I have EYES and have seen my boy jump so high as he could give TD Jesus a respectful fist bump. I thin you see Golden tate go in between picks 25 through 45.

Being compared to Steve Smith is a pretty good comparison...and if he falls between 25-45 then perhaps the my Colts or Bears have a shot at drafting him...Though I would like to see a Manning-to-Tate combo...that would be pretty damn sweet.

 

[DCirishfan]

Being compared to Steve Smith is a pretty good comparison...and if he falls between 25-45 then perhaps the my Colts or Bears have a shot at drafting him...Though I would like to see a Manning-to-Tate combo...that would be pretty damn sweet.

I think it could happen for sure. He will be there when the Bears pick at 1 lol, maybe not the Colts. if his 40 time is really good he could go higher maybe. Dud has the ability to play NFL football, I don't think he will be a bust, it's just how high of a pick do you use on him?

 

[jason_h537]

I think its safe to say Clausen is gone

Tate is actually biger than Steve Smith.

 

[DCirishfan]

The comparison is more the style of gritty tough to tackle play than just size, I figured he was bigger. I see alot of similarities.

 

[dskoo65]

He should be #1. With the level of competition he's played against, he should be the top QB. Boise St's QB #'s are video game like, but just imagine what JC's would be like if we played in that conference.

agree, he should be the number 1 qb taken, but who were the great defenses he faced? Clausen had the luxury of facing a schedule of teams with poor pass defense

pass defense ranking of ND opponents:

Nevada 119th
Mich 67th
MSU 102nd
Purdue 42nd
Wash 94th
USC 46th
BC 53rd
WSU 116th
Navy 60th
Pitt 45th
Uconn 105th
Stanford 104th

this is why i say ND and Clausen should have scored more against such a porous group of pass defenders.

 

[patman1868]

Kiper knows more about the draft than most GMs do, I think you are offbase. I know many agree with you though.

Yeah you got that right, a lot of people dislike him because early in the year he has some questionable rankings, but by the time april roles around his big board is really solid. On the draft days he knows so much about all of the prospects not just the guys in the first couple rounds or the players from big schools.

On a side note though I do agree with him, Jimmy does have the skill set to be the number 1 QB taken, and I think for him its probably the smart choice to leave, with the beating he has taken the last few years you never know if something will happen to him like Bradford.

 

[wallym]

agree, he should be the number 1 qb taken, but who were the great defenses he faced? Clausen had the luxury of facing a schedule of teams with poor pass defense

pass defense ranking of ND opponents:

Nevada 119th
Mich 67th
MSU 102nd
Purdue 42nd
Wash 94th
USC 46th
BC 53rd
WSU 116th
Navy 60th
Pitt 45th
Uconn 105th
Stanford 104th

this is why i say ND and Clausen should have scored more against such a porous group of pass defenders.

You're probably right. With that list, we should have been even more prolific...I still think he's been more prepared than the other QB's, and should be a high pick.

 

[NDsuperfan09]

agree, he should be the number 1 qb taken, but who were the great defenses he faced? Clausen had the luxury of facing a schedule of teams with poor pass defense

pass defense ranking of ND opponents:

Nevada 119th
Mich 67th
MSU 102nd
Purdue 42nd
Wash 94th
USC 46th
BC 53rd
WSU 116th
Navy 60th
Pitt 45th
Uconn 105th
Stanford 104th

this is why i say ND and Clausen should have scored more against such a porous group of pass defenders.

Tim Tebow for the #1 pick because hes from teh sec, oh noez

 

[tatoobaldman]

if the rams are smart they will draft clausen with there first pick. if they dont then the panthers will take him cause delhomme sucks.

 

[Touchdown_Jesus]

Out of all the QB's on the draft board CLausen sticks out to me the most out of skill level. He has great leadership qualities and can a lead a team for late game winning drives. Very accurate passer with exceptional deep ball. In my eyes he's better than Mccoy or Bradford, in entering the NFL draft. I think St Louis would be a nice place for Jimmy to get those Rams of their heels; need a QB. Hearing about Golden Tate going to the draft dissapoints me in a way because I loved how he played and ND really needed him next year but im happy for him and his decision. Hell of a football player.

 

[WaveDomer]

He should be #1. With the level of competition he's played against, he should be the top QB. Boise St's QB #'s are video game like, but just imagine what JC's would be like if we played in that conference.

Keep in mind that Kellen Moore is a sophmore. His numbers are video game like because he's sick. His passing efficiency is the best in the nation.

But Clausen should be the number 1 QB taken this year.

 

[vernfootball1]

I like clausen more but if locker goes out id rather have locker..... locker runs a 4.4 hes a beast he has a laser if he can sit behind a hasselbeck or bulger he will be an incredible qb, or even if ryan mallett from arkansas goes out thatd be a tough decision mallett has the strongest arm probably in both college and the nfl hes accurate, hes another project would just need to sit a little.... i think while i like jimmy more both of those qbs if put in the right situation will turn out better

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Clausen won't fall past #3.

 

[Allocco 121975]

Here is an example of Mel's wisdom from a previous draft.


Quarterbacks
1. Colt Brennan, Hawaii
2. John David Booty, USC
3. Brian Brohm, Louisville
4. Chad Henne, Michigan
5. JaMarcus Russell, LSU


Now who went higher in the draft ?

Mel is not the greatest analyst of pro talent.

Check Mike Mayock of the NFL network he hit almost everyone in the first 3 rounds last draft.

 

[NDinL.A.]

agree, he should be the number 1 qb taken, but who were the great defenses he faced? Clausen had the luxury of facing a schedule of teams with poor pass defense

pass defense ranking of ND opponents:

Nevada 119th
Mich 67th
MSU 102nd
Purdue 42nd
Wash 94th
USC 46th
BC 53rd
WSU 116th
Navy 60th
Pitt 45th
Uconn 105th
Stanford 104th

this is why i say ND and Clausen should have scored more against such a porous group of pass defenders.

That's easy....no threat of the running game whatsoever. All teams started doing was dropping 7 man back and keeping everything in front of them, and forcing Clausen to dink and dunk. If they had a running game, those 4 man fronts would have been gashed (as you saw against Stanford when we would run) and then it would open up things down the field. Even though those teams weren't great against the pass, they still had legit D1 athletes and guys that could bring pressure against our average line, and that made things very difficult in the red zone. ND should have scored more points, absolutely, but I don't put that on Clausen, I put that on a lack of a running game.

And having said all that, I still won't complain about the offense whatsoever, because they brought it almost every single damn game. It was the defense (Tenuta) that brought this team down.

There's a reason Clausen is the number one guy right now, and it's because he has the talent and he played in a pro style system that has prepared him for the pros better than any other QB out there. Can't wait to watch him on the next level (I hope to God he goes to a competent organization)...

 

[NDinL.A.]

Here is an example of Mel's wisdom from a previous draft.


Quarterbacks
1. Colt Brennan, Hawaii
2. John David Booty, USC
3. Brian Brohm, Louisville
4. Chad Henne, Michigan
5. JaMarcus Russell, LSU


Now who went higher in the draft ?

Mel is not the greatest analyst of pro talent.

Check Mike Mayock of the NFL network he hit almost everyone in the first 3 rounds last draft.

Can I get a link on that?

I highly, highly doubt that that was Mel's final list. But let's say it was. That proves 2 things:

1. That group was a sorry ass group of QB's. It's like picking which piece of shit you want to sit on first.

2. And at least Mel was smart enough to put Russell at the back of that list.

 

[Allocco 121975]

There's a reason Clausen is the number one guy right now, and it's because he has the talent and he played in a pro style system that has prepared him for the pros better than any other QB out there. Can't wait to watch him on the next level (I hope to God he goes to a competent organization)...

Thats what they said about Brady Quinn.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Thats what they said about Brady Quinn.

Do you really want to play this game? That's what they said about blah blah blah. That's what they said about Peyton Manning. Does that mean JC is going to be as good as Peyton? That's what they said about Ryan Leak. Does that mean he's going to be the next Ryan Leaf? We can do this dance all night.

Seriously, if that's the best you can come up with then your argument holds no water.