Mort says Clausen is 1st rounder, but not top 5

[elkona]

ESPN's Chris Mortensen says Clausen will be drafted in round 1, but won't be a top 5 pick. He suggested that junior QBs like Clausen have to be careful about coming out early because NFL guys will pick over their skills at the combine. I don't know how that's different from any other QB unless the guy is so damn hyped he skips the group thing and does private workouts. I don't see any of those in this draft, unless Bradford thinks he's good enough to do it.

On the "Chuck is History" front, Adam Schefter reports that NFL teams have already contacted Chuck to inquire about his interest in offensive coordinator jobs.

 

[Merlin]

ESPN's Chris Mortensen says Clausen will be drafted in round 1, but won't be a top 5 pick. He suggested that junior QBs like Clausen have to be careful about coming out early because NFL guys will pick over their skills at the combine. I don't know how that's different from any other QB unless the guy is so damn hyped he skips the group thing and does private workouts. I don't see any of those in this draft, unless Bradford thinks he's good enough to do it.

On the "Chuck is History" front, Adam Schefter reports that NFL teams have already contacted Chuck to inquire about his interest in offensive coordinator jobs.

WTF does Mort know???

If Clausen does go, why not top 5? he may need to sit for a year, but he has all the tools, especially with his smarts.

 

[Allocco 121975]

WTF does Mort know???

If Clausen does go, why not top 5? he may need to sit for a year, but he has all the tools, especially with his smarts.

It depends on the teams needs and money against the cap that JC will cost.

In the pros, its no longer for Old ND, its for bottom line costs.

 

[theShark]

But still a high enough payday to risk it. Jimmy may not be mobile but his throwing mechNics are perfect. The workouts always tell the tale, he could jump up really fast with a good combine, but not being top5 could be just b/ c of other teams' needs vs defensive and wr talent coming early. Rb's don't get taken in the top 5 too often anymore, but I could see Spiller going ahead of Clausen.

I pray he returns for our sake, but the smart move is to go. He may take a nasty sack or run a run-heavy offense and hurt his stock if he returns, IMHO.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

No, he'll go top 5.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

depends on who the top 5 teams are

 

[NDinL.A.]

WTF does Mort know???

If Clausen does go, why not top 5? he may need to sit for a year, but he has all the tools, especially with his smarts.

Mort knows a ton...GMs give him info all the time.

Having said that...it's only November. Last year at this time, Sanchez wasn't even on the NFL radar. One Rose Bowl later he's a possible late first rounder. A Pro Day and a ton of interviews later, and he wa the 5th pick. So anything can happen. Jimmy can sink like a stone from here on out or really rise. We'll see.

But at this point, i don't think what Mort says is inaccurate. I think JC is better than that, but I believe what he says about GMs...

 

[Merlin]

Mort knows a ton...GMs give him info all the time.

Having said that...it's only November. Last year at this time, Sanchez wasn't even on the NFL radar. One Rose Bowl later he's a possible late first rounder. A Pro Day and a ton of interviews later, and he wa the 5th pick. So anything can happen. Jimmy can sink like a stone from here on out or really rise. We'll see.

But at this point, i don't think what Mort says is inaccurate. I think JC is better than that, but I believe what he says about GMs...

I respect your opinion, (and Morts to a degree) but I don't see him as a Draft annalist.

I could see the Rams taking Jimmy, with outsiders like the Browns/Oakland passably in the mix?

 

[dmort]

Not alot of top QB's in the draft this year. Clausen should be first round.

 

[Senoj13]

One thing Parcells used to preach was that he only took senior QBs. Now, Clausen will graduate this spring, so he is ahead of the game. But the extra experience can hurt.

 

[jason_h537]

Clausen will light up a combine. His mechanics and accuracy are better than anyone else coming out and he runs a pro system unlike, Bradford. I dont know if he will be tiop 5 but his stock will definitely rise.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Bradford isn't even a candidate for a top 5 pick now. It's Clausen and Locker.

 

[chyrspchuck]

I respect your opinion, (and Morts to a degree) but I don't see him as a Draft annalist.

I could see the Rams taking Jimmy, with outsiders like the Browns/Oakland passably in the mix?

what's an annalist is that like an anal list?

 

[elkona]

Agreed that it's too early to know where JC will go in the draft - and that much depends on which teams pick first. Mel Kiper Jr. wrote a few weeks ago that JC would go in the top 10, to a team like the Redskins. Top 10 means he's one of the first 2 QBs picked, which seems fair to me.

I'm interested to see where McCoy lands. He has size and legs, but I don't know much about his arm. He seems like the QB who needs the combine tests to prove to scouts that he has the arm to make it in the NFL.

 

[jason_h537]

McCoy is short. Reminds me of Jeff Garcia. Unorthadix throwing motion and undersized, playes in the shotgun. Like Tebow he will be a mid round pick and a project

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

McCoy shouldn't go before the fifth round. He's too short, doesn't play in the pro style offense, throws too many interceptions, and has no arm strength whatsoever.

 

[Junkhead]

McCoy is listed at 6-2. Clausen is listed at 6-3. No big deal there.

 

[jason_h537]

McCoy is listed at 6-2. Clausen is listed at 6-3. No big deal there.

And Iverson is listed as 6 feet. McCoy is closer to 6 feet and scouts know that

 

[Junkhead]

And Iverson is listed as 6 feet. McCoy is closer to 6 feet and scouts know that

You're probably right, I just never even looked at his height before.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

McCoy's real height will be shown at the Combine and his draft stock will plummet. I wouldn't be surprised if McCoy had small hands either.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think Clausen dominates the combine and becomes a sure Top 5 pick.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If the Rams, Redskins, or Browns have the number one pick he will go there.

 

[DCirishfan]

It depends on his combine. If he shows good enough arm strength he will be atop 5 pick. Similar to where Sanchez went.

 

[DCirishfan]

it also depends on how Bradford is viewed at the combine. Remember the last time a big time sooner fell in the draft because of injury issues.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

it also depends on how Bradford is viewed at the combine. Remember the last time a big time sooner fell in the draft because of injury issues.

And then proved everyone how stupid they were to pass on him.

Clausen isn't the only QB that will be going into the combine looking to move up, you still have Bradford, Locker, Mallett, LeFevour and Pike.

I would not take Clausen in the Top 5, Top 10, or even the Top 20. I know there is a lot of support for him out there but there are many things teams will notice about him as a QB that will scare them off. The major thing is his arm strength, his deep ball hangs in the air for too long, and everybody who watches the NFL realizes that a deep ball that has such a hang time will always be intercepted. Another thing is his lack of mobility, we all saw this season that when there was no place to throw the ball, he was unable to get out of the pocket and pick up yards and instead took the sack. Also Clausen is an underclassmen, there are few QB's who are successful in the NFL with only 3 years of college.


Hes a good QB and there is potential there, but he needs to hold the clipboard for 2 seasons and learn under the West Coast offense. Smart pick for a team like the Vikings or Seahawks.

 

[jason_h537]

And then proved everyone how stupid they were to pass on him.

Clausen isn't the only QB that will be going into the combine looking to move up, you still have Bradford, Locker, Mallett, LeFevour and Pike.

I would not take Clausen in the Top 5, Top 10, or even the Top 20. I know there is a lot of support for him out there but there are many things teams will notice about him as a QB that will scare them off. The major thing is his arm strength, his deep ball hangs in the air for too long, and everybody who watches the NFL realizes that a deep ball that has such a hang time will always be intercepted. Another thing is his lack of mobility, we all saw this season that when there was no place to throw the ball, he was unable to get out of the pocket and pick up yards and instead took the sack. Also Clausen is an underclassmen, there are few QB's who are successful in the NFL with only 3 years of college.


Hes a good QB and there is potential there, but he needs to hold the clipboard for 2 seasons and learn under the West Coast offense. Smart pick for a team like the Vikings or Seahawks.

No one is gonna pick Clausen because of his mobility. They are interested in him because of his head not his arm. There is more to QBing than measurables. Jamarcus Russel proved that. He is ridiculously accurate can make every throw and has good arm strength. He is a 1st rounder for sure. lafevour is similiar to McCoy, Bradford hurt his stock. Mallet and Locker are the only other qb's that i would consider over Clausen and thats because of their "potential". Pike and Bradford have size but both have been injured and run spread offenses.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

No one is gonna pick Clausen because of his mobility. They are interested in him because of his head not his arm. There is more to QBing than measurables. Jamarcus Russel proved that. He is ridiculously accurate can make every throw and has good arm strength. He is a 1st rounder for sure. lafevour is similiar to McCoy, Bradford hurt his stock. Mallet and Locker are the only other qb's that i would consider over Clausen and thats because of their "potential". Pike and Bradford have size but both have been injured and run spread offenses.

LeFevour, who we probably will be seeing in the Little Ceasers Bowl, is nothing like McCoy. LeFevour is Tim Tebow with a better arm.

Mobility is not a measurable, mobility is key for a QB in the NFL just like arm strength, accuracy, and knowledge. Im not talking about Clausen's size or his 40 yard dash, the fact that he has been comfortable with taking the sack when there isn't a play to be made rather than being able to get out of the pocket and pick up a few yards is key. If Clausen can do one thing to try to impress scouts at the bowl game is to actually attempt to keep a play alive and gain a few yards.

Clausen isn't a surefire 1st rounder, depending on who enters he could very well end up getting bumped to the 2nd Round. Thats not me being hateful towards him, its just what happens around draft time.

You actually believe that Bradford or Pike's stock is going to be hurt by the fact they ran a pass heavy spread offense in college? Have you honestly ever watched either play? Bradford won the Heisman last year, and Pike carried Cincy this season.

 

[jason_h537]

LeFevour, who we probably will be seeing in the Little Ceasers Bowl, is nothing like McCoy. LeFevour is Tim Tebow with a better arm.

Mobility is not a measurable, mobility is key for a QB in the NFL just like arm strength, accuracy, and knowledge. Im not talking about Clausen's size or his 40 yard dash, the fact that he has been comfortable with taking the sack when there isn't a play to be made rather than being able to get out of the pocket and pick up a few yards is key. If Clausen can do one thing to try to impress scouts at the bowl game is to actually attempt to keep a play alive and gain a few yards.

Clausen isn't a surefire 1st rounder, depending on who enters he could very well end up getting bumped to the 2nd Round. Thats not me being hateful towards him, its just what happens around draft time.

You actually believe that Bradford or Pike's stock is going to be hurt by the fact they ran a pass heavy spread offense in college? Have you honestly ever watched either play? Bradford won the Heisman last year, and Pike carried Cincy this season.

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning do not have great mobility but Clausen has shown tremendous pocket presence all season. I dont know what you are referring to when you say Clausen just takes sacks, maybe its when the o-line lets someone come in clean and he has no where to go but when the pocket breaks down he has stepped up or avoided sacks all year. That is not an opinion that is a fact.

Pike and Bradford are hurt by the fact that they dont run pro style offenses and that was one of the knocks and Bradford last year. LeFevour is NOT a first round pick.

 

[GoldenChild]

I thought we had established that Chris Mortensen was an idiot, guess not. Clausen will probably go top 3. Browns & Rams absolutely need a new QB, the Rams a bit more, Bradford is a great but the injury hurt his stock alot, although he'll still be a Top 15 QB. Leaving only Jake Locker as Clausen's competition, and the only thing he has that's better then Jimmy is mobility.

 

[NDinL.A.]

You actually believe that Bradford or Pike's stock is going to be hurt by the fact they ran a pass heavy spread offense in college? Have you honestly ever watched either play? Bradford won the Heisman last year, and Pike carried Cincy this season.

Absolutely I believe that. One of things that scouts told Bradford that they wanted to see from him this year is him coming from under center. I just wrote this on another thread, but running the spread is sooooooo different than running a pro-style offense, and much easier. What Jimmy has already demonstrated to pro scouts is that he can run that type of offense, with site adjustments from the line of scrimmage that he and his receiver have to make in seconds.

With the way most spread are running right now, the teams aren't huddling up, they run straight to the line of scrimmage, see what personnel the defense has in the game, and then the QB looks to the sideline for what to do. The coach has way more control over what will happen. That doesn't happen in the pros. There's a reason not as many spread QBs are as successful as pro-style QBs in the PROS. There's a reason Mark Sanchez shot up the draft boards, while guys with more college success like Dennis Dixon and Pat White are drafted far lower...