I don't think a good college coach will come to ND ...

[thetuna]

we need to focus on a pro-coordinator who coached at a major university in his past. Preferably a defensive one.

We eat our coaches here. If you are making a million plus at TCU or Cincy or Stanford, why on earth would you come to South Bend to be scrutinized at every turn? If you lose 4 games at TCU or Cincy or Stanford, they aren't going to be calling for your head.

And guys like Meyer are a pipe dream. There is no way he would take this job. No way.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

we need to focus on a pro-coordinator who coached at a major university in his past. Preferably a defensive one.

We eat our coaches here. If you are making a million plus at TCU or Cincy or Stanford, why on earth would you come to South Bend to be scrutinized at every turn? If you lose 4 games at TCU or Cincy or Stanford, they aren't going to be calling for your head.

And guys like Meyer are a pipe dream. There is no way he would take this job. No way.

Thanks Capt.Obvious

I dont think Patterson or Kelly or Harbaugh would leave for Notre Dame unless we pay them big money, but I dont see any of them being worth $3 Million per year.

I want a guy who has leadership qualities, a track record of developing talent whether as a position coach or HC, and would value this job like we as fans do.

 

[dskoo65]

we need to focus on a pro-coordinator who coached at a major university in his past. Preferably a defensive one.

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such as?

 

[thetuna]

we need to focus on a pro-coordinator who coached at a major university in his past. Preferably a defensive one.

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such as?

I'd be cool with Ron Rivera. He doesn't have much college coaching experience though.

 

[kmoose]

If you are making a million plus at TCU or Cincy or Stanford, why on earth would you come to South Bend to be scrutinized at every turn?

To become a legend. Name me one coaching legend from TCU, Cincy, or Stanford NOT named Bill Walsh?(hint: there are some, but I bet you can't come up with them off of the top of your head)

All of the kind of guys that ND would attract, are the kind of guys who "just know" that they can succeed. They know that, if they win, any controversy will be minimal, as long as it isn't legal/disciplinary in nature.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

I'd be cool with Ron Rivera. He doesn't have much college coaching experience though.

I like Ron Rivera too.

Hes probably had opportunities but hes never coached in college before.

 

[thetuna]

To become a legend. Name me one coaching legend from TCU, Cincy, or Stanford NOT named Bill Walsh?(hint: there are some, but I bet you can't come up with them off of the top of your head)

All of the kind of guys that ND would attract, are the kind of guys who "just know" that they can succeed. They know that, if they win, any controversy will be minimal, as long as it isn't legal/disciplinary in nature.

Odds seem better to become a legend at Cincy than take the risk at ND.

We haven't produced a legendary coach in 4 decades with the arguable exception of Holtz.

 

[kmoose]

Odds seem better to become a legend at Cincy than take the risk at ND.

We haven't produced a legendary coach in 4 decades with the arguable exception of Holtz.

There is no argument about it. He's a Hall of Fame Head Coach. And most people who were over the age of 13, when he was at ND, will tell you that they know Holtz was one of the best coaches in the country.

So what legendary coach has Cincy produced?

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

To become a legend. Name me one coaching legend from TCU, Cincy, or Stanford NOT named Bill Walsh?(hint: there are some, but I bet you can't come up with them off of the top of your head)

All of the kind of guys that ND would attract, are the kind of guys who "just know" that they can succeed. They know that, if they win, any controversy will be minimal, as long as it isn't legal/disciplinary in nature.

Name me a better coach in Cincy or TCU's history than Brian Kelly and Gary Patterson? What they have been doing in their time at these universities is what they name stadiums, and build statues for outside of them. Bobby Bowden didn't become a legend by leaving FSU for Alabama, he built the FSU program to the point where now he can't meet the expectations he set. A lot of coaches want to be that guy you point to 30 years from now and talk about how they took the program to the next level and how everyone should kiss your hand when they are in your presence.

At Notre Dame there is nothing you can do to ever become bigger than the football program as a coach, there will never be another coach at Notre Dame who is the only reason why people come to Notre Dame. Anybody who comes here is doing nothing but attempting to carry tradition rather than establishing it.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Odds seem better to become a legend at Cincy than take the risk at ND.

We haven't produced a legendary coach in 4 decades with the arguable exception of Holtz.

How is Holtz being a legendary coach an arguable point??? He's the real deal....through and through. The more I read your posts the closer I come to the conclusion that you're nothing more than a troll.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

There is no argument about it. He's a Hall of Fame Head Coach. And most people who were over the age of 13, when he was at ND, will tell you that they know Holtz was one of the best coaches in the country.

Holtz is definetly a Hall of Fame HC. When he came out of retirement and turned South Carolina into a winner, it was proven.

So what legendary coach has Cincy produced?

That obviously doesn't matter, if Brian Kelly sticks at it for 10-15 years there he will be the answer to that question.

Dan Devine is a Legend at Missouri, Dan Devine is a trivia question at Notre Dame.

 

[thetuna]

How is Holtz being a legendary coach an arguable point??? He's the real deal....through and through. The more I read your posts the closer I come to the conclusion that you're nothing more than a troll.

Because most legends stay at the school were they become legends. Rather than go to South Carolina and become mediocre.

 

[kmoose]

That obviously doesn't matter, if Brian Kelly sticks at it for 10-15 years there he will be the answer to that question.

Merely asking someone to back up their claim that the odds of becoming a legendary coach are better at Cincy, than they are at ND.


This, despite the fact that ND has produced Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, Holtz (4) to Cincy's.......................(0). I'll take 4 over 0, thanks. Unless my math is faulty and I am missing a legendary Bearcats coach. Hence, the very relevant question.

 

[thetuna]

Merely asking someone to back up their claim that the odds of becoming a legendary coach are better at Cincy, than they are at ND.


This, despite the fact that ND has produced Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, Holtz (4) to Cincy's.......................(0). I'll take 4 over 0, thanks. Unless my math is faulty and I am missing a legendary Bearcats coach. Hence, the very relevant question.

Again, Holtz is arguable. Take him out of the equation and a legend hasn't walked the sidelines in 40 years.

 

[kmoose]

Again, Holtz is arguable. Take him out of the equation and a legend hasn't walked the sidelines in 40 years.

As opposed to a legend walking the Cincy sidelines never. Yes, it's clearly easier to become a coaching legend at Cincy.

 

[chyrspchuck]

Again, Holtz is arguable. Take him out of the equation and a legend hasn't walked the sidelines in 40 years.

troll..... tired of you trolling

 

[dskoo65]

So what legendary coach has Cincy produced?

 

[kmoose]

I said coach, not manager.

Sparky rocked!!

 

[thetuna]

As opposed to a legend walking the Cincy sidelines never. Yes, it's clearly easier to become a coaching legend at Cincy.

In my opinion it IS easier NOW. The history channel & ESPN classics need not be factored into the equation.

You are essentially like someone in 2008 arguing that since there hasn't been a black president for 200 years that the odds of one NOT occuring are easier, but that doesn't account for what is occuring at the present moment.

 

[thetuna]

troll..... tired of you trolling

How am I a troll. Lou Holtz was a GREAT coach. That doesn't necessarily make him a legend.

Les Miles has won a championship, is he a legend?

 

[dskoo65]

When he came out of retirement and turned South Carolina into a winner, it was proven.
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i wouldnt use SC as an example. his last 3 years there he went 5-7, 5-7, and 6-5. he didnt really sustain anything there.

 

[kmoose]

In my opinion it IS easier NOW. The history channel & ESPN classics need not be factored into the equation.

You are essentially like someone in 2008 arguing that since there hasn't been a black president for 200 years that the odds of one NOT occuring are easier, but that doesn't account for what is occuring at the present moment.

Ok........let's talk about the present moment. ND has it's own TV contract. Every single game was televised, nationally, this season. ND's fans travel well, and spend more money than the average college's fans, so ND has a built-in advantage re getting invited to big bowls. ND, compared to Cincy, has what seems like an unlimited budget. They are represented by kids from all over the country, and this gives them a recruiting edge. ND is THE legend in college football, and has been down for quite some time now. This downslide has generated mountains of coverage and speculation. They are a front page story, almost every week. The stage is set, for a guy to come in and take his place alongside Leahy, Parseghian, Holtz.........

Cincy has good chili.

 

[dskoo65]

i have to admit, when i think of legends, i think more about coaches who sustained strong football programs over a long period of time.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Merely asking someone to back up their claim that the odds of becoming a legendary coach are better at Cincy, than they are at ND.

Im saying that the odds are better at Cincy for Kelly to become a Legend than they are at Notre Dame.

Kelly is the best coach in their program's history, they've sucked for years and now they are finally relevant. If he keeps up this pace and sticks around and builds a tradition and their program even more rather than going elsewhere, he will become a Legend there.

They'll name their stadium after him, build a statue, and everybody will talk about the glory days when he was there and if hes in public they'll kneel before him and kiss his rings. Cincy has always been a town of frontrunners anyways.

Once again Dan Devine is a Legend at Missouri, Dan Devine is a trivia question(in related to scenes from Rudy) at Notre Dame?

This, despite the fact that ND has produced Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, Holtz (4) to Cincy's.......................(0). I'll take 4 over 0, thanks. Unless my math is faulty and I am missing a legendary Bearcats coach. Hence, the very relevant question.

And Notre Dame hasn't produced any coaches, either the coaches succeed at Notre Dame or they dont. And we know what "success" is for Notre Dame.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

When he came out of retirement and turned South Carolina into a winner, it was proven.
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i wouldnt use SC as an example. his last 3 years there he went 5-7, 5-7, and 6-5. he didnt really sustain anything there.

South Carolina football never mattered, ever, before Lou Holtz. His hiring triggered the birth of their football program although it existed for probably 100 years.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

i have to admit, when i think of legends, i think more about coaches who sustained strong football programs over a long period of time.

I feel the same way.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

The only way it would be easier at Cincy to become a legend than at ND is because the standards for becoming a legend there are far far far inferior to the standards to become a legend at ND are. As much as I hate Urban Meyer, I think his ego is big enough to think "hmm I could turn that program around and become a national hero... how many coaches win multiple national championships at two different schools? hmmm.." Why come to ND? It is a bigger stage. When schools like Cincy play, the city watches, when Florida plays, the state watches, but when ND plays, the nation watches.

 

[thetuna]

Ok........let's talk about the present moment. ND has it's own TV contract. Every single game was televised, nationally, this season. ND's fans travel well, and spend more money than the average college's fans, so ND has a built-in advantage re getting invited to big bowls. ND, compared to Cincy, has what seems like an unlimited budget. They are represented by kids from all over the country, and this gives them a recruiting edge. ND is THE legend in college football, and has been down for quite some time now. This downslide has generated mountains of coverage and speculation. They are a front page story, almost every week. The stage is set, for a guy to come in and take his place alongside Leahy, Parseghian, Holtz.........

Cincy has good chili.

All of the above is a good case for why it is HARDER to be a legend at ND now as opposed to then. NBC contract, crazed fan base, and enhanced national recruiting by all big programs = less likely to become a legend and more likely to get chased out of South Bend with pitchforks in hand.

 

[dskoo65]

South Carolina football never mattered, ever, before Lou Holtz. His hiring triggered the birth of their football program although it existed for probably 100 years.

for Holtz's final 3 years there, nobody cared much what was going on there and certainly nobody worried much about playing them. in the national scheme, South Carolina still doesnt much matter in college football

people paid attention for a couple years because Holtz was a big name. the results produced were nothing special and national interest in the program quickly faded. it could be easily argued that Joe Morrison produced better South Carolina teams, going to 2 Gator Bowls when that bowl was a big deal. Holtz took SC to 2 Outback Bowls.

 

[kmoose]

All of the above is a good case for why it is HARDER to be a legend at ND now as opposed to then. NBC contract, crazed fan base, and enhanced national recruiting by all big programs = less likely to become a legend and more likely to get chased out of South Bend with pitchforks in hand.

Winning at Cincy = being the next "up and comer"

Winning at ND = being the next "legend in waiting"