Officiating (lastnights game)

kmoose

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Could someone link a highlight of the Baldwin catch hitting the ground, I was at the game so never really got to see a good replay of it.

I thought it was too tough to call. I can certainly see where people believe that there is no way it did not hit the ground, but I fail to believe anyone can say that they actually SAW it hit the ground.
 

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bottom line. ball is starting to come loose before his arm starts forward. it does not matter if he then pushes the ball forward and it does not even matter if it is a perfect spiral. it is loose before any forward momentum of the arm. just because it looked like a pass does not make it so. it is not hard to understand.

It is hard to understand when you talk out of your ass like you are doing. First of all, what rulebook are you using? Second of all, if you actually watch the replay, which it doesnt seem like you did, you can clearly see that in no way is the ball coming out, and then Clausen "pushes" it forward. The ball shifts in his hand, so when he threw it it was not how you would normally through a football. But last time I checked proper throwing mechanics dont usually factor in to whether a play is a fumble or not. Bottom line, as you say, is that the ball was in Clausen's hands as his arm was moving forward. It is absolutely clear as day that it was an incomplete pass.

But, to give you the benefit of the doubt, lets say that the ball came loose and Clausen pushed it forward as you say. Honestly, to prove that you arent just a troll, please tell me how the replay was CONCLUSIVE to overturn the call on the field? If you are honest with yourself and not subject to any type of hallucinagen, there is no sane way you can say that there was enough to overturn the call on the field.
 
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It doesn't matter. With the way we were blocking 4th and 16 would have ended with Clausen getting crushed. Our O-line has completely given up.
 

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It is hard to understand when you talk out of your ass like you are doing. .

i learned a long time ago not to get pulled down into the gutter by those who choose to show disrespect to someone who has in no way attacked them personally.

in my defense in regards to being a troll, i would expect such a person would be here only to stir people up (ie a real notre dame hater).

i have been advocating for charlie weis to be replaced. if i were an nd hater, it would certainly be in my best interests for him to continue coaching this football team.
 
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I dont normally say much about the Refs in a game but these guys were clueless lastnight.
There was more then a few times it appeared the Pitt defender was all over Floyed nothing called, The call in the 4th ruled a fumble......? that same play the facemask. Anyone notice ? Pitt wasn't called for holding once and you could see it happening!! All the replays....It was a poorly officiated game. That crew wasn't very good.

Not trying to hide the fact that we played flat most of the game. Just a mere observation on the officiating.

Agree, Funny how every time ND got momentum going, when it was not taken away by themselves, there was a damn review.
 

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It doesn't matter. With the way we were blocking 4th and 16 would have ended with Clausen getting crushed. Our O-line has completely given up.

It does matter. The whole point of this discussion was to determine whether or not the right call was made. No one can say for sure what would have happened on fourth down. But to not get one based on a horrific call is unacceptable.
 

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i learned a long time ago not to get pulled down into the gutter by those who choose to show disrespect to someone who has in no way attacked them personally.

in my defense in regards to being a troll, i would expect such a person would be here only to stir people up (ie a real notre dame hater).

i have been advocating for charlie weis to be replaced. if i were an nd hater, it would certainly be in my best interests for him to continue coaching this football team.

I really dont understand how you took that personally. Did I call you an asshole? No. Did I say you were stupid? No. All I said was in this particular instance you were talking out of your ass, because you provided no substance for your stance.
 
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It was the right call that it was a fumble. It was the wrong call that they overruled it because the whistle was blown.
 
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I really dont understand how you took that personally. Did I call you an asshole? No. Did I say you were stupid? No. All I said was in this particular instance you were talking out of your ass, because you provided no substance for your stance.

Are you kidding? You called him a troll and insinuated that he was tripping. You made it personal.
 

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Are you kidding? You called him a troll and insinuated that he was tripping. You made it personal.

Please show me where I did that. I never called him a troll. I said prove to me that your not. Not that difficult to understand the difference.
 

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It was the right call that it was a fumble. It was the wrong call that they overruled it because the whistle was blown.

So you somehow have to come to the conclusion that every media outlet and the majority of fans did not? What evidence do you have that it was a fumble. There wasnt any!
 
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