If Charlie is Fired...Say Goodbye to....

[WabashFalcon]

OK. I get it dude. You don't like CW. You have made that more than clear in all your posts. And I have made it more than clear that I like big boobies.

I still say give it one more year before you talk about getting rid of him. Next year is his full team. I have said before that I'm not sure he is the guy to take ND to the top, but next year is the year. As atrocious as the Navy game was, I say be patient for one more year.

Then fire his ass if he doesn't produce. lol.

One more year guys. Be patient.

Yes. Yes. This post 300000000x over.

 

[tankjeep]

OK. I get it dude. You don't like CW. You have made that more than clear in all your posts. And I have made it more than clear that I like big boobies.

I still say give it one more year before you talk about getting rid of him. Next year is his full team. I have said before that I'm not sure he is the guy to take ND to the top, but next year is the year. As atrocious as the Navy game was, I say be patient for one more year.

Then fire his ass if he doesn't produce. lol.

One more year guys. Be patient.

great words, but i'm sure they'll fall on deaf ears.

and i lilke tig ole bitties as well....Oops, did i say that out loud??

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Couldn't agree more, I'm as disappointed with the Navy loss as anybody else, but at some point we need to either show some faith in the coach and say this is your job, or find someone else. The annual calls for the coaches head affect everything in the program negatively. The university has to realize that they hired a guy who was learning to be a head coach on the fly, he made some bad decisions at the start but has progressed and we are competitive now. I do want more and I think program continuity is a big part of attaining our long term goals. Giving the coach the axe every five years is not a way to build a program, it's a quick way to destroy one though.

I say keep him, that gives us the best chance to keep everything we have right now intact. If he can't get it done next year with a stacked hand, then I say we re-evaluate the position.

Absolutely! If a new coach had the luxury of brining in JUCO players to fill any voids left by attrition natural or otherwise, it wouldn't be as big of an issue. At ND, you can't do that and it hurts especially along both lines. Linemen need time to grow and develop and, as we have been living the last few years, we have seen where poor line recruiting (and coaching) can leave you. We only had enough guys to run full practices along the lines last year, if I remember correctly.

A guy like Nick Saban (a guy that has moved around quite a bit in recent years) goes in to a new program and brings in plenty of JUCO transfers as a band-aid until he can bring in enough of his recruits to solidify his system. Coach Weis has had to wait to bring in freshman and then wait for them to develop and then wait to see if they will turn in to the kind of player he hoped. The JUCO issue also helps fill any voids left from injuries or defections. We have been lean at TE and FB. Having the ability to bring in transfers would have put us in much better position in both of those positions not to mention DT.

If we had been in a better situation in just those three positions in the last two years, we would have been more competitive and might not be having these debates.

 

[tankjeep]

Absolutely! If a new coach had the luxury of brining in JUCO players to fill any voids left by attrition natural or otherwise, it wouldn't be as big of an issue. At ND, you can't do that and it hurts especially along both lines. Linemen need time to grow and develop and, as we have been living the last few years, we have seen where poor line recruiting (and coaching) can leave you. We only had enough guys to run full practices along the lines last year, if I remember correctly.

A guy like Nick Saban (a guy that has moved around quite a bit in recent years) goes in to a new program and brings in plenty of JUCO transfers as a band-aid until he can bring in enough of his recruits to solidify his system. Coach Weis has had to wait to bring in freshman and then wait for them to develop and then wait to see if they will turn in to the kind of player he hoped. The JUCO issue also helps fill any voids left from injuries or defections. We have been lean at TE and FB. Having the ability to bring in transfers would have put us in much better position in both of those positions not to mention DT.

If we had been in a better situation in just those three positions in the last two years, we would have been more competitive and might not be having these debates.

nicely put.

 

[Catsudon]

Just let Weis stay for the remainder of his contract. He only has 5 more years left. We can't lose recruits from this class or the high school junior class or even the sophmore class they could be currently scouting. No team has ever fired a coach and had a winning season within 3 years after firing the previous coach. Not Florida, not USC, not Alabama, not Ohio State, Not Oklahoma, no one.

my sarcasm meter must be broken.

 

[jason_h537]

I'm willing to roll the dice at this point instead of spinning our wheels over and over again. There is no reason to believe Weis could get it done next year if he couldnt in this one. None.

You mean besides players getting older and better. There is no reason to think they could be better next year. This is as good as guys like Te'o, KLM, Ethan Johnson, Floyd, Rudolph, and Riddick will get

 

[NDisme]

totally agree jason, so basically steeler weener is saying that a year won't make a difference, so we should be stuck at 3-9 forever, because a year after that we doubled our wins and had a cgance to tripple so steeler weeeeeeny makes no sense.

You mean besides players getting older and better. There is no reason to think they could be better next year. This is as good as guys like Te'o, KLM, Ethan Johnson, Floyd, Rudolph, and Riddick will get

 

[weisbank4]

As much as Im off Weis' bandwagon, I feel like 1 more year would give him full circle.

His 1st class wasnt really his first class, this class with Tate and Clausen is. Let those guys finish out and lets see what happens.

The defense can only get better, nowhere else to go but up. The offense should literally be unstoppable next year. I think next year would be the deal breaker.

Seriously, 10-2 would be a massive flop next year with this group and that schedule.

 

[Catsudon]

As much as Im off Weis' bandwagon, I feel like 1 more year would give him full circle.

His 1st class wasnt really his first class, this class with Tate and Clausen is. Let those guys finish out and lets see what happens.

The defense can only get better, nowhere else to go but up. The offense should literally be unstoppable next year. I think next year would be the deal breaker.

Seriously, 10-2 would be a massive flop next year with this group and that schedule.

i didn't search, but is there a schedule somewhere i can take a peek?

 

[jason_h537]

As much as Im off Weis' bandwagon, I feel like 1 more year would give him full circle.

His 1st class wasnt really his first class, this class with Tate and Clausen is. Let those guys finish out and lets see what happens.

The defense can only get better, nowhere else to go but up. The offense should literally be unstoppable next year. I think next year would be the deal breaker.

Seriously, 10-2 would be a massive flop next year with this group and that schedule.

I really like Weis. I have supported him throughout. I cant wrap my head around the Navy loss. Not because Navy is a bad team but the Michigan loss came early when Forcier was an unknown commodity. We should be playing our best football right now.I will not say fir him yet because this team is good enough to finish 10-3 and make a run next year but another loss and that is too much.

 

[IrishGolden09]

Absolutely! If a new coach had the luxury of brining in JUCO players to fill any voids left by attrition natural or otherwise, it wouldn't be as big of an issue. At ND, you can't do that and it hurts especially along both lines. Linemen need time to grow and develop and, as we have been living the last few years, we have seen where poor line recruiting (and coaching) can leave you. We only had enough guys to run full practices along the lines last year, if I remember correctly.

A guy like Nick Saban (a guy that has moved around quite a bit in recent years) goes in to a new program and brings in plenty of JUCO transfers as a band-aid until he can bring in enough of his recruits to solidify his system. Coach Weis has had to wait to bring in freshman and then wait for them to develop and then wait to see if they will turn in to the kind of player he hoped. The JUCO issue also helps fill any voids left from injuries or defections. We have been lean at TE and FB. Having the ability to bring in transfers would have put us in much better position in both of those positions not to mention DT.

If we had been in a better situation in just those three positions in the last two years, we would have been more competitive and might not be having these debates.

Exactly, the guy has had to rebuild everything from scratch and has had to learn how to be a head coach on the fly. The JUCO thing is a great point, instead of bringing in mature players, we have to bring in 18 year old guys and pray they develop. That really does ring true along in the trenches, maturity is a big issue there. Their are few 18 year old "men" ready to line up from day one. Great points!

 

[Master Guns]

If he is fired this year, next year, or retires after 15 years there will be a loss of recruits. Unless John Elway was cloned along with Walter Payton and they are looking at ND because of Weis, that doesn't seem to be a great argument to me. He's a great recruiter and will have great recruits every year. So will that be the excuse every year?

If he wins out or even loses only one more game and wins the bowl game, I bet he stays. I think the program is on the upswing, but mostly because of talent on the field.

Agree. Hopefully there is a one way conversation between CW and the AD and he makes it over the hump and that is that. If not, I would be the first in line at his house to help him pack up. And is there really anyone else out there that is a must have coach under the current circumstances? I say....NO.

 

[Master Guns]

As much as Im off Weis' bandwagon, I feel like 1 more year would give him full circle.

His 1st class wasnt really his first class, this class with Tate and Clausen is. Let those guys finish out and lets see what happens.

The defense can only get better, nowhere else to go but up. The offense should literally be unstoppable next year. I think next year would be the deal breaker.

Seriously, 10-2 would be a massive flop next year with this group and that schedule.

BCS or bust. That is fair from where I sit. One more year to see what he can do cannot do any more harm. Until we know, I'm supporting him.

 

[DirtySecret]

For all you Brain Kelly supporters. Lets see how Kelly is doing on the recruiting trail. As of now Cincinnati is rank 42nd on rivals and 43rd on scouts..


Rivals.com Team Rankings
Scout.com: Football Recruiting

You'd figure how good Cincinnati is doing this year, their recruiting would be a lot better. Remember he's winning with someone elses recruits not his. Michigan, MSU, Texas A&M, and even BYU is out recruiting Kelly.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Cincinnati still doesn't have the image to be recruiting well. Kids would rather go to a bad team with a lot of history or a lot of resources to recruit over a great Big East team. Kelly would be a great recruiter at Notre Dame as everyone should be (I still can't fathom Ty's recruiting). Although I will say that Weis is one of the best if not the best recruiters in the nation. If he could coach half as well as he recruits we would be in the top 5.

 

[DirtySecret]

Cincinnati still doesn't have the image to be recruiting well. Kids would rather go to a bad team with a lot of history or a lot of resources to recruit over a great Big East team. Kelly would be a great recruiter at Notre Dame as everyone should be (I still can't fathom Ty's recruiting). Although I will say that Weis is one of the best if not the best recruiters in the nation. If he could coach half as well as he recruits we would be in the top 5.

I didn't know Stanford, Texas A&M, UNC, or even BYU are rich with history? Keep making excuses for him.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Texas A&M is the only one that surprises me. North Carolina has Butch Davis as head coach. BYU has the big draw with Hawaiians, Mormons, and they have good history. Stanford has done well at recruiting with Captain Comeback, a great quarterback and a hard-working recruiter. Cincinnati trumps them all on the field even with this teams recruiting so well. I could care less about recruiting national championships. They don't put up banners for those.

 

[shortnd]

Here is how it is, Administration will find out if Jimmy is returning, if he does, Weis stays. If Jimmy leaves then Weis is gone. Too much on the line for next year to get a new coach and new system in place. Last year ND lost all the close games, this year they have won most of them, next year we will win 12. Both Clausen and Olsen talked nothing but good of Weis today. Owned responsibiltiy for loss. Clausen said he would never be at ND if not for Weis. That says a lot!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

So then you are saying that Weis is probably gone? There is probably a .01% chance Clausen returns at this point. Like I've said, don't expect Clausen and Tate to return. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[DirtySecret]

So then you are saying that Weis is probably gone? There is probably a .01% chance Clausen returns at this point. Like I've said, don't expect Clausen and Tate to return. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Care to put your money where your mouth is?

I could care less about recruiting national championships. They don't put up banners for those.

No defenese puts up banners.. Offenese sell tickets but it's defense that bring the crystal ball home.. Juding by ND defense, it's inexpereince.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Care to put your money where your mouth is?

Easy money.

 

[enrico514]

Let's no forget about Manti Teo...I think if Weis is canned, Teo would probably decide to go on his missionary trip...

... and never come back.

 

[enrico514]

I'm willing to roll the dice at this point instead of spinning our wheels over and over again. There is no reason to believe Weis could get it done next year if he couldnt in this one. None.

Please tell me what makes you say with such certainty that he has done such a bad job coaching?

 

[enrico514]

Here is how it is, Administration will find out if Jimmy is returning, if he does, Weis stays. If Jimmy leaves then Weis is gone. Too much on the line for next year to get a new coach and new system in place. Last year ND lost all the close games, this year they have won most of them, next year we will win 12. Both Clausen and Olsen talked nothing but good of Weis today. Owned responsibiltiy for loss. Clausen said he would never be at ND if not for Weis. That says a lot!

Unless the team totally melts down he stays.

 

[NDisme]

How bout you say i couldn't care less learn hiw to use that line it is couldn't care less not could cuz that doesn't make sense.

Texas A&M is the only one that surprises me. North Carolina has Butch Davis as head coach. BYU has the big draw with Hawaiians, Mormons, and they have good history. Stanford has done well at recruiting with Captain Comeback, a great quarterback and a hard-working recruiter. Cincinnati trumps them all on the field even with this teams recruiting so well. I could care less about recruiting national championships. They don't put up banners for those.

 

[Junkhead]

Please tell me what makes you say with such certainty that he has done such a bad job coaching?

Have you watched any games the past few years? Any at all?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Have you watched any games the past few years? Any at all?

lol buddy. But they were a high school all star team a couple of years ago (as described by the twice polarized CTF ).

I am not a big fan of CW's "system", but I say ONE MORE YEAR before we all start some serious bitching.

I think I'm over the Navy fiasco. I ate me some Cracker Jacks (surprise inside).

 

[irishandy]

I agree with Lemming about if Weis does get fired that the recruits will go...I've said that all along. I have a strong feeling that Manti Te'o is going on his missionary trip and good for him. During one of the games this year I met a couple who knew Manti when he played his high school football and the guys wife said that if Manti gets offered his missionary trip that he will go.

 

[WaveDomer]

BCS or bust. That is fair from where I sit. One more year to see what he can do cannot do any more harm. Until we know, I'm supporting him.

Hey Moderators, I think this is a thread from last year around the same time. Must be a glitch in the system that it's back on top... oh...wait.

 

[PUREBREEDIRISH]

Master Guns, preach on....