Head coach possibilities

[fortwayne_nd]

Me. I must be fucking tripping to continue to see him bring in players that are constantly maturing. God knows I hate seeing a young team go play ball. God knows I hate seeing Weis constantly put his players in places they can win.

It could happen. Wooden went years before the UCLA gig took off. I'm still guessing eight to nine wins and a BCS bowl once in a while. I can't say its impossible, just unlikely.

My concern is with recruiting elite players. I think Clausen's class was his best class. One or two Clausens, Tates, or Floyds a year - does that get ND into the upper tier? I don't know.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I just can't believe that people can accept a loss to a service academy like this.

I'm taking it hard man. Just the shit saying that Weis is to blame is fucking nuts. He didn't fumble on the two. He didn't fumble on the first drive of the game. He didn't miss two chip shots. He didn't throw a pick that bounced off the back of a WR.

Tell me... did Weis call plays that gave his team a chance to score and win all the way until the final whistle? Yes or no?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Head Coaches job is safe until the end of the season. Once the season is over, then we will talk about this.

If by the end of the season you mean pre-bowl game then yes. Weis will be fired the Monday after the Stanford game.

 

[irishfan]

Charlie Weis hired Tenuta. You all talk like there is no captain at the helm of this ship. People, Charlie Weis is in charge of the defense: He's the head coach.

To be fair, the Tenuta hire was thought to be an amazing one at the time, and Tenuta was arguably the best D-Coordinator in football while he was at GT. It's hard to blame Weis for the fact that the Tenuta hire hasn't panned out.

 

[NDMontana]

They aren't that young anymore, and I hate to say it, but the coaching staff is letting the players down again.
Do we need a starting lineup full of seniors to beat Navy?

Thank you. This team is absolutely not that young, especially on offense where red zone failures behind a "Heisman caliber" QB (though not in my opinion), a junior/senior laden offensive line and two Biletnikoff Award caliber WR's is not acceptable.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

I just can't believe that people can accept a loss to a service academy like this.

Lowered expectations. It makes Harry Carey look objective.

 

[TMR]

Make Charlie Assistant AD in charge of recruiting/alumni relations/compliance

Make Charlie Assistant AD in charge of recruiting/alumni relations/compliance

I have supported Weis for five years. No more. I am done. I will not watch or attend another ND game until Weis is fired or resigned. Weis rarely prepares the team mentally or emotionally. It is a shame for the athletes. Watch a replay of one of Holttz' game...you rarely will see the mental miscues that are now expected from a Weiss team. If Weis really cares more about ND than his own ego, he should resign and accept a position as assistant A.D. in charge of football operations/recruiting/compliance. He simply is not ready and may never be ready to be a top-tier head coach. Let's cut our losses now and do some due diligence before we make the next hire.

 

[WabashFalcon]

If by the end of the season you mean pre-bowl game then yes. Weis will be fired the Monday after the Stanford game.

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I will bet you my left testicle and all the money in my bank account that that shit won't even come CLOSE to happening.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

How many OC's has Tom Brady helped look intelligent? Several? Maybe it wasn't all Charlie.

 

[NDMontana]

To be fair, the Tenuta hire was thought to be an amazing one at the time, and Tenuta was arguably the best D-Coordinator in football while he was at GT. It's hard to blame Weis for the fact that the Tenuta hire hasn't panned out.

Tenuta's last year at GTech was not that great: they gave up 20+ per game and were gashed by all of the decent teams they faced...and owned by the good teams.

 

[WabashFalcon]

I see no one has yet to address my question so I'll just post it again:


Tell me... did Weis call plays that gave his team a chance to score and win all the way until the final whistle? Yes or no?

 

[phork]

Me. I must be fucking tripping to continue to see him bring in players that are constantly maturing. God knows I hate seeing a young team go play ball. God knows I hate seeing Weis constantly put his players in places they can win.

Hello Ron Zook II.

I'm taking it hard man. Just the shit saying that Weis is to blame is fucking nuts. He didn't fumble on the two. He didn't fumble on the first drive of the game. He didn't miss two chip shots. He didn't throw a pick that bounced off the back of a WR.

Tell me... did Weis call plays that gave his team a chance to score and win all the way until the final whistle? Yes or no?

Bypassing a possible field goal in the second quarter?

 

[WabashFalcon]

Hello Ron Zook II.



Bypassing a possible field goal in the second quarter?

After your kicker's already missed one, you're down 14 and have only one more possible possession in the first half?

 

[Junkhead]

I see no one has yet to address my question so I'll just post it again:


Tell me... did Weis call plays that gave his team a chance to score and win all the way until the final whistle? Yes or no?

Should ND have to scrap so hard to beat Navy? Hell, Davie and Golfingham never lost to Navy! Recruiting top notch players has not led to top notch results, and I think many if not most coaches could do more with ND's talent than Weis has.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

After your kicker's already missed one, you're down 14 and have only one more possible possession in the first half?

The guy had made fourteen in a row. Missed one so now he's unreliable?

 

[irishfan]

Bypassing a possible field goal in the second quarter?

After his kicker missed two in a row?

 

[phork]

The guy had made fourteen in a row. Missed one so now he's unreliable?

What he said. Also funny how ND lost by 2. Funny how history repeats itself as well. Same thing happened the last time they lost to Navy.

 

[WabashFalcon]

What he said. Also funny how ND lost by 2. Funny how history repeats itself as well. Same thing happened the last time they lost to Navy.

Jesus Chist. Say that Tauch makes the field goal. Okay? Say we have those three more points. That chances the entire game. Navy may go for it on one of the three 4th downs in the second half, get it, then score.

What if we get the TD? Then we're happier than a pig and shit. If Claussen gets sacked, we run the ball and go into OT on the second to last drive.

All of this "What if" bullshit you use to justifiy your positions really means nothing now, doesn't it?

 

[fortwayne_nd]

After his kicker missed two in a row?

When Charlie decided to go for it on 4th and three, the kicker had only missed ONE FG attempt. When you have the ball 1st and goal at the 2 and can't push it in on the first three downs, kick the effing field goal. That's the play being discussed. Did you watch the game?

 

[phork]

Jesus Chist. Say that Tauch makes the field goal. Okay? Say we have those three more points. That chances the entire game. Navy may go for it on one of the three 4th downs in the second half, get it, then score.

What if we get the TD? Then we're happier than a pig and shit. If Claussen gets sacked, we run the ball and go into OT on the second to last drive.

All of this "What if" bullshit you use to justifiy your positions really means nothing now, doesn't it?

I generally don't use WHATIFs. But this is the second time, against the same team, where a field goal might have won the game. I figured Charlie learned something back in the Washington game, you know take the points and all. Guess I was mistaken.

 

[elkona]

Weis isn't going to get fired. He's done nothing but improve ND football... he is beloved on campus, and he has his guys.

When did you have you lobotomy? and did insurance pay for it? Jesus, CW has run the program into the ground. So he can recruit some athletes. So what. He can't coach them. 3 yrs of the country laughing at us. navy needed OT to beat SMU! And lost to Temple! It's called coaching. We don't have any.

 

[WabashFalcon]

So if Tauch misses three chip shots, you're telling me that you wouldn't be calling for Weis's head phork for 'realizing that the kid didn't have it and our best chance was to go for it?'

 

[WabashFalcon]

When did you have you lobotomy? and did insurance pay for it? Jesus, CW has run the program into the ground. So he can recruit some athletes. So what. He can't coach them. 3 yrs of the country laughing at us. navy needed OT to beat SMU! And lost to Temple! It's called coaching. We don't have any.

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Oh fuck... my chest hurts... I need to breathe

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Yeah! He sure as hell ran it into the ground! Couldn't have been worse than Willingham or Davie! We can't even win a game! Hell! We're terrible! We don't have ANYONE that can play the game between the stripes!

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[mbooch]

I'm taking it hard man. Just the shit saying that Weis is to blame is fucking nuts. He didn't fumble on the two. He didn't fumble on the first drive of the game. He didn't miss two chip shots. He didn't throw a pick that bounced off the back of a WR.

Tell me... did Weis call plays that gave his team a chance to score and win all the way until the final whistle? Yes or no?

True, but not the point. NO coach fumbles. However, the point isn't that ND missed some FG's or fumbled too much. The poiint is hat ND was unable to pound the ball into the endzone in the first half, and, indeed, didn't really try to, despite playing the smallest defense they'll see all year. That IS a coaching problem. This game was lost in the first half, when ND sputtered three times in the red zone. Had they scored even ONCE, they would have won.

Now, ND has had TWO smooth wins this year. They have 7 nailbiters, and, of those seven nail biters, only one came against ranked competition. In my book, that means that, FIVE years into the Weis Era, we are still peers of MSU, Purdue, Washington, BC and Navy. That's just not good enough.

 

[irishfan]

When Charlie decided to go for it on 4th and three, the kicker had only missed ONE FG attempt. When you have the ball 1st and goal at the 2 and can't push it in on the first three downs, kick the effing field goal. That's the play being discussed. Did you watch the game?

I confused that possession with the one before it somehow, my bad. I still think down 14-0 and with possessions at a premium (ND already had 2 possessions and 0 points) it was the right call to go for it. Like another poster said, its hard to play "what ifs" on this one. Maybe if we're down 11 instead of 14, Weis' playcalling is completely different in the 4th quarter knowing that a FG and TD can tie it up as opposed to needing 2 TDs. And I can assure you I watched the game. Our red zone offense was awful all game, but this call really didn't have any more of an impact than the Clausen fumble or the interception. Just a game where everything that could go wrong in the red zone did go wrong.

 

[phork]

So if Tauch misses three chip shots, you're telling me that you wouldn't be calling for Weis's head phork for 'realizing that the kid didn't have it and our best chance was to go for it?'

Even I know that in a close game that every point counts.

 

[WabashFalcon]

True, but not the point. NO coach fumbles. However, the point isn't that ND missed some FG's or fumbled too much. The poiint is hat ND was unable to pound the ball into the endzone in the first half, and, indeed, didn't really try to, despite playing the smallest defense they'll see all year. That IS a coaching problem. This game was lost in the first half, when ND sputtered three times in the red zone. Had they scored even ONCE, they would have won.

Now, ND has had TWO smooth wins this year. They have 7 nailbiters, and, of those seven nail biters, only one came against ranked competition. In my book, that means that, FIVE years into the Weis Era, we are still peers of MSU, Purdue, Washington, BC and Navy. That's just not good enough.

They were also playing against 5'8 and 5'9 CBs. Fuck... fade. Fade. Fade. FADE! They made excellent plays on balls today. I'd still call the fade again when they put 9 in the box.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Even I know that in a close game that every point counts.

At that point in the game, Navy's up 14-0... we're getting close to blowout status. If I'm that close after a miss, I'm sending my kids out there to get the 6.

 

[alleycat9]

wabash it is completely pointless to attempt to have a meaningful conversation with you. there is absolutely nothing that anyone will say to get you to open your eyes.

i am moving on as i dont have time to save the world. hopefully you will leave the thread alone as you are just going to continue to argue over absurdity and use anything that you can get your hands on to rationalize your argument in your own head.

 

[Brown]

I'm with your general point Wabash .. hindsight is always 20/20.

Also, I don't agree that you should kick a field goal everytime you're in range on 4th down ... or punt on every 4th down. It's conventional wisdom to do so ... but I've seen studies that demonstrate that a team has more probability of scoring more points over the course of the game when taking more chances on 4th down. In fact, the same study shows that unless you're backed up on your own 20 yard line ... it's best to go for it ... on every occasion. You can read that study here if you're inclined: Advanced NFL Stats: The 4th Down Study - Part 4

Given that Weis comes from the Bellichek/Parcells lineage (Bellichek is a economics major) i'm sure they've used their immense resources to come up with probability models on when you should and shouldn't chance it on 4th down.

If the team scores on that possession nobody is looking back ... again, hindsight is 20/20.