9-3 season, another top 10 class, a decent bowl, and a NC contending team in '10

[Guest]

Link to Texas's 3-9 season.

Go ahead, post it.

 

[PhilsRule]

Go ahead, post it.

No dude. You link to Texas's 3-9 season under Mac Brown.

 

[irishfan]

DickRod is in year 2 of transforming a "3 yards and a cloud of dust" to a dynamic offense that people have trouble stopping. He is already challenging for a BigTen title. Yes thats not saying much, but I digress. They will be much further ahead next year than ND was in year 3.

Michigan will be lucky to go 4-4 in conference and will probably be 3-5, maybe even 2-6. They are on par with us in terms of rebuilding. Rebuilding process is a four-step one of

1) losing big
2) losing close
3) winning close
4) winning big

Regardless of their close win over us, they are still in step 2. I can guarantee Michigan wont win the Big 10 until RichRods 4th or 5th year.

 

[WabashFalcon]

DickRod is in year 2 of transforming a "3 yards and a cloud of dust" to a dynamic offense that people have trouble stopping. He is already challenging for a BigTen title. Yes thats not saying much, but I digress. They will be much further ahead next year than ND was in year 3.




How much more time? 15 years has come and gone in the blink of an eye, and now people are happy with coming to within 7 points of USC and saying "Maybe next year!" That is not good enough for me.



Depending on the coach I see your point, but it goes both ways as well.



What the hell are you smoking? National Championship game at 10-2? Seriously? 30 spots away in the BCS rankings? And that crap about 2 plays from 6-0, ND is 3 plays from 1-5. If you are going to use that argument I'll go the other way, because its a lot closer to the truth than 6-0.

What am I smoking? I dunno... the opposite for what NDOM does?

Listen brother, I know for a fact it is far-fetched to the point of lunacy, but if several teams at the top blow multiple games, then you'll never know man. You will never know.


Will it happen? Probably not.

 

[Guest]

No dude. You link to Texas's 3-9 season under Mac Brown.

Yeah I got it.

I didn't say they were identical, so not sure why you are jumping on my post.

Besides, Texas had way more talent when Brown inherited his team than when Weis got the job here. In case you wanted to argue your point further.

 

[PhilsRule]

Yeah I got it.

I didn't say they were identical, so not sure why you are jumping on my post.

Besides, Texas had way more talent when Brown inherited his team than when Weis got the job here. In case you wanted to argue your point further.

When Mac got to Texas in 98, they were coming off a 4 win season where they lost to Baylor. Mac was way worse off than Weis was when he got to ND.

 

[NDMontana]

Yeah I got it.

I didn't say they were identical, so not sure why you are jumping on my post.

Besides, Texas had way more talent when Brown inherited his team than when Weis got the job here. In case you wanted to argue your point further.

So CW was able to coach two no-talent teams to BCS games and then take the talent he'd recruited and have an aggregate 14-17 record in the last 2-1/2 years?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

They were freshmen.

 

[jason_h537]

When Mac got to Texas in 98, they were coming off a 4 win season where they lost to Baylor. Mac was way worse off than Weis was when he got to ND.

He took a 4 loss team recruited an built them. Weis took a 500 team and turned the talent that was on the team and made them NFL ready, then had to start from scratch.

 

[irishfan]

When Mac got to Texas in 98, they were coming off a 4 win season where they lost to Baylor. Mac was way worse off than Weis was when he got to ND.

Were making the ND-USC and Texas-Oklahoma analogy. USC was also way, way, way better than Oklahoma when CW got hired as opposed to when macK Brown was.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I am going to get burned for saying this, but hell I dont care. Folks, this is year 3 of the Weis reclamation project, not year 5. The first 2 years, he mistakenly failed to develop his younger players. Yes, it was a mistake on his part, and he has admitted so. All he did in 2005-06 was take what Willingham left him and coached them to the best of his abilities. It forced him to play nearly all freshman and sophomores in 2007, and his upperclassmen had little to no experience. It wasnt until that season that he started to build a program. So in my mind, this is year 3 of him building a program, and after 3 years, I will take winning 9 or 10 games and competing for BCS games.

Go ahead and burn me for it, but no one will ever convince me that this whole process actually started in 2007, instead of 2005.

Was that a mistake? Of course it was. Just telling it like it is.

This is the 100% truth!!! This program is STILL rebuilding, and its rebuilding alot better than it has in the past 15 years. 05 and 06 CW got his feet wet, and the last three years, there has been vast mprovement each year. If anybody thought this team was gonna start competing for a NC this quickly, then you know nothing about college football. It took Tom Osborne multiple years to develop a powerhouse in Nebraska, look at Mack Brown at Texas. They were bout almost out the door and both devied the odds and develpoed top nothc programs. The Florida's, USC's, Cal's, UCLA's of the world are going to always have the ability to compete just because of the talent they can pull in. Even without the acedemic standards, it would be hard to pull a recruit from any of those schools just because of all the extra benefits ( weather, girls, celebrites, etc, etc, etc ). That being said, its not that hard to become a one hit wonder in today's football era, but to BUILD and SUSTAIN, thats an accomplishment. Hell if people think CW is on the hot seat just cause of the way THIS progra is, then that same person HAS to beleive that Pete Carrol should be fired as well. Talk about an underacheiver..... He can pull in recruits without even having to do anything, and each and every year, they have a crazy ass meltdown, its a guarentee. They have produced some of the best talent college football has ever seen yet continue to fail each year ( the standards have already been set )..... CW is a good coach. He is a fantastic offensive mind, a great recruiter, and has shown vast improvement every year that he has had the program (05 and 06 are not worthy to even note as A- he was a first time head coach, still getting his feet wet, and B- the players weren't his at all). WE NEED TO REBUILD. I don;t want to be a one hit wonder, I would take a top notch program again over a one year run because of some hotshot coach.

I dont know if CW is the FINAL answer, but putting him on the coals based on what he has done in the past 5 years is completely baseless. If he continues to pull in the recruiting clasees, and continues to develop the players, I think he is going to be great. People need to get off this produce NOW kick and look for the future, this is a REBUILDING TEAM, and its been one hell of a year so far. Everybody can say whatever they want about the SOS, but each and every team we have faced is a damn good team that can win and compete with most college football teams, as seen by Wash over USC, Purdue over OSU, Mich St over Mich. On top of that, they plays these guys each and EVERY week, they rarely get a letdown game. WHile we very well could be 1-5, at the same tie a WIN is a WIN. the good teams find ways to get the W in the face of adversity, coulda, woulda doesnt mean SHIT, it is what it is!!!

Layoff and give the dude a fricken break, he is building something great, and we need to be excited about the future of Notre Dame!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Nice.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Nice.

It just drives me crazy that some people dont see the full picture.............

 

[JefMaj]

ND WILL RETURN: "Everybody can say whatever they want about the SOS, but each and every team we have faced is a damn good team that can win and compete with most college football teams, as seen by Wash over USC, Purdue over OSU, Mich St over Mich. On top of that, they plays these guys each and EVERY week, they rarely get a letdown game."

Hey, check out Sagarin's - our SOS is 13...

 

[WaveDomer]

Yeah I got it.

I didn't say they were identical, so not sure why you are jumping on my post.

Besides, Texas had way more talent when Brown inherited his team than when Weis got the job here. In case you wanted to argue your point further.

And attending class isn't something high up on the priority list in Austin. ND was numero uno in 2006 for BCS schools and Texas was 216. Check out Cal, hanging with Texas down there. Using kids and spitting them out.
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