2008 vs 2009 ND team talent ranking...

Easton Pa ND Fan · Feb 9, 2009

Rivals estimate of roster scholarship talent (4 yrs of
team recruiting points). Florida has closed the gap
with USC.

Both schools are around 10400+ points. The columns be-
low max at 9999, so add 500 points to the 2009 USC and
Florida totals. No adjustments were made for 5th yr,
dropouts, etc...Tom

<pre>#. 2008. Riv# #. 2009. Riv# 01 USC . 9999 01 USC . 9999 02 FL . 9927 02 FL . 9999 03 FL S 8934 03 LSU . 9648 04 OK . 8747 04 Al . 9538 05 Ga . 8466 05 Tex . 9139 06 LSU . 8402 06 Ga . 8705 07 Al . 8176 07 Oh S 8536 08 Tex . 8173 08 FL S 8506 09 Mich. 7939 09 Notre 8268 10 Oh S 7712 10 OK . 8136 11 MiaFL 7680 11 Mich. 8068 12 Notre 7526 12 MiaFL 7672 13 Tenn. 7401 13 Aubrn 7095 14 Aubrn 7092 14 Tenn. 6626 15 Clmsn 6840 15 Clmsn 6428 16 Neb . 6503 16 UCLA. 6068 17 Cal . 5776 17 Mis . 5714 18 UCLA. 5423 18 Pa S 5581 19 Pa S 5398 19 Neb . 5558 20 TexAM 5281 20 So C 5485 21 Vir T 5238 21 Vir T 5014 22 Mis . 4973 22 Cal . 4932 23 So C 4843 23 TexAM 4845 24 Ariz. 4717 24 Or . 4757 25 Or . 4680 25 Ariz. 4152 </pre>

phork · Feb 9, 2009

Its not the talent. Its the coaching.

Brown · Feb 9, 2009

What's the point in spending millions of dollars chasing around the nations best talent than?

PADOMERNUT · Feb 9, 2009

its both

Junkhead · Feb 9, 2009

phork said:
Its not the talent. Its the coaching.

Its not the coaching. Its the lack of coaching.

NeuteredDoomer · Feb 9, 2009

PADOMERNUT said:
its both

Agree

Brown · Feb 9, 2009

I think people, especially on this message board, put way too much weight on intangibles.

At the end of the day, if given enough time, talent will eventually prevail.

For this reason, I think recruiting is probably the #1 biggest impact any coach can have on a college football team.

In a standard football game, you run the ball to the right, to the left, or up the middle. You pass the ball short, or long, and you run draw plays/delays, or play action passes. That's it.

I think the impact a coach has from an X's and O's standpoint, or motivational/developmental standpoint is negligible at best.

Somewhat off the point: It would be nice if there were more games in a season; as it stands now, the season is so short, it allows "luck" to play too big of a factor.

phork · Feb 10, 2009

Brown said:
I think people, especially on this message board, put way too much weight on intangibles.

In a standard football game, you run the ball to the right, to the left, or up the middle. You pass the ball short, or long, and you run draw plays/delays, or play action passes. That's it.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Charlie Weis has graced us with his presence!

wicket · Feb 10, 2009

phork said:
Ladies and Gentlemen, Charlie Weis has graced us with his presence!

meh I saw no reference to the screen

NeuteredDoomer · Feb 10, 2009

phork said:
Ladies and Gentlemen, Charlie Weis has graced us with his presence!

Yep.

Navy defeated ND in '07. Was it talent or was it coaching or was it a better offensive scheme?

C'mon now.

Navy defeated ND in '07. Remind yourself of that.

Navy defeated ND in '07.

Brown · Feb 10, 2009

It was luck. Had ND had the opportunity to play that same Navy team 100 x's, they likely would've won at least 95 of those times.

Mattmags · Feb 10, 2009

I am reminded by a famous quote..."The better you are, the more luck you will have." think about it.

Folsteam_Ahead · Feb 10, 2009

i think the chart is fairly accurate for ND at least. we should hover in the rankings around the teens by midseason. 9th or 10th would be our max if we ran the table deep into the schedule. talent is only potential and i think that's our most realistic goal right now.

JeremyND07 · Feb 10, 2009

06ntlchmps said:
i think the chart is fairly accurate for ND at least. we should hover in the rankings around the teens by midseason. 9th or 10th would be our max if we ran the table deep into the schedule. talent is only potential and i think that's our most realistic goal right now.

Sorry to burst your bubble but ND will not get teens love with our schedule. We could be 4-0 and not ranked remember!

Folsteam_Ahead · Feb 10, 2009

JeremyND07 said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but ND will not get teens love with our schedule. We could be 4-0 and not ranked remember!

4-0 would include a win over msu who is respected by pundits. that would def get us ranked. what should i be remembering? we were 2-0 last year and not ranked and proceeded to lose to msu in week 3. 3-0 would have gotten us a #24 or #25 spot last year. 6-0 this year (midseason with a win over usc in week 6) would put us in the low teens and 10-0 would get us somewhere around the #10 spot.

you actually didn't burst any bubble. i know our schedule next year and how last year's played out. and in the case of a follow up, no i don't anticipate going 10-0 but that is where we'd be ranked with that record. any team would amongst the bcs affiliated conferences.

the only issue with our schedule is the quality of the last 5 games. running the table early would guarantee a ranking. running the table late would guarantee endless bitching by fans of teams that conveniently forgot the first 5 games of their season.

Brown · Feb 10, 2009

Mattmags said:
I am reminded by a famous quote..."The better you are, the more luck you will have." think about it.

That quote makes no sense; luck is existent only when it's out of ones control.

A "good team" doesn't get lucky more -- they're simply a good team.

What makes them good? Tangible skills; speed, vertical and lateral quickness, instincts, repetition/experience, jumping, catching, cutting, etc.

Notre Dame is becoming more and more deep with players who excel in each of these areas.

allnd1962 · Feb 10, 2009

Brown I think what that means is when you are good people tend to say you are lucky; so the saying is kind of tongue in cheek. Atleast that is how I took it.

phork · Feb 10, 2009

Sometimes its better to be lucky than good..

GOLDENISTHYTATE · Feb 10, 2009

NeuteredDoomer said:
Yep.

Navy defeated ND in '07. Remind yourself of that.

Neutered don't ever mention that again. I was at this game and at the SC Bush Push game and to this day, have not decided which game I will use as the excuse to my wife as to why our marriage failed ( that's when I meet the lucky lady that is). Man being an Irish fan is like being best friends with a beautiful girl. You keep telling yourself that you are gonna score the big one while every other douchebag gets the big prize. I wish I was into golf.

Honey Nut Irish · Feb 10, 2009

Talent is certainly important. You can win on talent alone (the SDSU game this year for example). But to really be successful and win against other talented teams you need good leadership. This leadership is often from the coach, but doesn't necessarily have to be. Look at the difference between ND with and without Brady Quinn. Charlie is doing the same things, but this team has not had a true leader since Quinn left. You need talent to win but you can't rely on it.

NeuteredDoomer · Feb 10, 2009

Brown said:
It was luck. Had ND had the opportunity to play that same Navy team 100 x's, they likely would've won at least 95 of those times.

If my sister would've been born with a penis, she would've been my brother.

(Just messin with ya my friend)

GOLDENISTHYTATE, I will never mention it again.

Honey Nut Irish, you also need a deceptive offense that keeps defenses on their heels. CW's offensive scheme seems to be outdated and flat out stupid, but maybe will improve next year. A great offensive scheme can allow for lesser athletes to defeat superior athletes.

It's that simple.

WabashFalcon · Feb 10, 2009

Quick side note. GOLDENISTHYTATE, the first time I saw your name, I swear to God that you gave yourself the moniker GOLDENISTHYTAINT.

True story.

DaLastFarleyite · Feb 10, 2009

Luck is where preparation and opportunity intersect. I think we've been missing the preparation part.

goldenechoes · Feb 11, 2009

With a good offensive and defensive line, we immedietly become a BCS contender.

Now that Latina and Oliver(to a lesser extent due to a lack of dline talent) are gone, we cant see what we have in 09.

Clausen2Kamara · Feb 11, 2009

I think we'll be ranked before next year kicks off....Whether we're worthy or not...It remains to be seen. We def have the talent..

rogosIRISH77 · Feb 12, 2009

you can throw the blame at whomever you want.... but in the hawaii bowl we showed that we are better than what we put out this season. so, for the games we lost... it was the coaches, players, fans, cheerleaders, band, and everybody's fault.... obviously some sarcasm, but seriously so many people insist on blaming someone or something... yes we have talent, but because that talent isn't producing... cannot be blamed solely on coaching. people say that a new coach would solve it. is it really the new coach that is solving the problem or is it just the variable of change? i mean if we kept thew staff, and got a whole roster of new players of the same talent level as usual... (eliminate factor of players learning new system) you would expect change right?? and if it were for the better, say a BCS appearance... people would say, oh so we really didnt have talent before. ANYWAY, what I am trying to say is there is so much that goes into building a football team, not to mention a winning football team. Charlie did it twice at ND, and several times in the NFL. an overwhelming majority of our players enjoyed great success on their high school teams, in terms of winning (not personal stats). there are winners everywhere around here, but there are so many intangibles that have to be accounted for... this isn't a simple idea. why do some players have great college careers, but aren't of worth to the nfl? why do some coaches run a 5 year dynasty then have an off year, did they become worse coaches?

IT IS NOT JUST TALENT OR JUST COACHING!

way too many things go into winning, to even describe, and as a football player who has experienced winning and losing... I still can't describe... THE TEAM JUST TO HAVE IT i don't know what IT is though.... call it luck, call it heart, call it toughness... i'm sure these are all necessary... along with good coaching and talent... but stop blaming a losing season on coaches or lack of talent or whatever!

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