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Offer him. IMO, hell he could play DB or something, just offer him as an athlete. or give him a baseball scholarship or something with the possibility to play football.

According to rivals, he has offers from Air Force, Georgia Tech, Stanford, Vandy, Ark. St, Miami OH, Middle Tenn, Navy and Western kentucky. Why not throw our hat in the ring?
 
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Offer him. IMO, hell he could play DB or something, just offer him as an athlete. or give him a baseball scholarship or something with the possibility to play football.

According to rivals, he has offers from Air Force, Georgia Tech, Stanford, Vandy, Ark. St, Miami OH, Middle Tenn, Navy and Western kentucky. Why not throw our hat in the ring?

When was the last time any of those schools were in a BCS game?
 

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Wicket- stanford in 99 i believe

it was the 2000 rose bowl vs. wisconsin, but it was technically the 99 season, so ur right.

When was the last time any of those schools were in a BCS game?

Valid point Synoptico.....but he does have the offers. My question for you is, why pass up on good talent because other "big schools" havent offered. The Golics are coming to ND, and look at their offer lists, which are smaller than Wesleys.

And you should know, being a Cleveland Browns fan, that the best talent doesnt always go to big time schools. Josh Cribbs went to Kent State for crying out loud, and that guy is amazing. Wesley is a talent for sure, and should be offered as an athlete. Even if he never plays, if he is anything like Golden, he will be a help to the team.
 
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I know what you're saying, but how do you know for sure? How do you KNOW that Tate will be a stud? NOBODY KNOWS for sure. 5 stars can turn out like Mike Floyd (superstar for us), or like Sam Baker (hasn't panned out yet). Patrick Turner was supposed to be all-world coming out of h.s. for USC, but he's turned out to be decent at best. And yet you got guys like Joe Flacco who went to Delaware freakin State who are balling in The League. Recruiting many times is hit or miss.

So my point is, who really knows? We can't say for sure. We CAN say, "I really want that guy or this guy," but we don't know for sure. If we don't sign Tate, and he comes back to haunt us, then you're right, taht'll suck. But I'll take the word of Weis, Haywood, Tenuta and the fellas over my unprofessional eye...

Just curious, but when you say that Sam Baker didn't pan out, are you referring to the 4-star who was a 3-time All-American from USC and recent first round draft pick of the Atlanta Falcons or someone else? And by the way, Joe Flacco who "went to Delaware freakin state" was actually a 3-star who transferred from Pitt and who had an offer from Virginia Tech as well coming out of high school. I do agree though that recruiting can be a lot of hit or miss.
 

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it was the 2000 rose bowl vs. wisconsin, but it was technically the 99 season, so ur right.



Valid point Synoptico.....but he does have the offers. My question for you is, why pass up on good talent because other "big schools" havent offered. The Golics are coming to ND, and look at their offer lists, which are smaller than Wesleys.

And you should know, being a Cleveland Browns fan, that the best talent doesnt always go to big time schools. Josh Cribbs went to Kent State for crying out loud, and that guy is amazing. Wesley is a talent for sure, and should be offered as an athlete. Even if he never plays, if he is anything like Golden, he will be a help to the team.

You will never see me say "we need to offer X." I will say we need more at possition X or Y but I do not know how to evaluate players and will leave that to the experts (coaches, recruiting services). I don't know whether the Golics will be good or not, they have 5 years to show their stuff then we can talk about it.

I do know that more 5 star players on average make an impact in college than 1 stars do. Yes there are examples of people breaking through because of other intangibles (desire, heart, take time to develop). I guess what I am saying is that I trust the staff. I won't say that we need to offer someone because they have a great highlight video, or they are related to a player on the team. If someone wants to walk on like Montana, great.

I was a college athlete at the division 1 level. I want to know the people on my team are there because they earned it, not because of their last name. I don't k now whether Tate will pan out or not. My point is 1) not a possition of need, and 2) this coaching staff works their butts off and I trust their evaluating skills. Yes they need to develop the talant better but that's a whole different story.

That's it. I'm off my soap box.
 

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Just curious, but when you say that Sam Baker didn't pan out, are you referring to the 4-star who was a 3-time All-American from USC and recent first round draft pick of the Atlanta Falcons or someone else? And by the way, Joe Flacco who "went to Delaware freakin state" was actually a 3-star who transferred from Pitt and who had an offer from Virginia Tech as well coming out of high school. I do agree though that recruiting can be a lot of hit or miss.

I'm an idiot, what can I say?!?!? Obviously I meant big Sam Young, but I typed too quickly and now I look like an idiot (I guess looks aren't always deceiving :wink:).

As for Flacco, yes, I know he was a transfer, but he was also only a 3* that is a pro QB playing waaayyyy better than expected and is only 2 wins away from the Super Bowl. You'd expect a 5* to do that, not a 3*. But that's recruiting.
 

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Offer him. IMO, hell he could play DB or something, just offer him as an athlete. or give him a baseball scholarship or something with the possibility to play football.

According to rivals, he has offers from Air Force, Georgia Tech, Stanford, Vandy, Ark. St, Miami OH, Middle Tenn, Navy and Western kentucky. Why not throw our hat in the ring?

Because you can't just offer a kid because other small schools like him (that's not exactly a muderer's row of schools up there) and he runs fast. He's a 2* recruit for some reason. How bad would it look if we offered him 'just to throw our hat in the ring', and then when he accepts we have to say 'no' to make room for a much higher profile recruit we all want? I mean, his brother is a star at our school, and if we pull the offer, how bushleague would we look? That looks really bad. I wouldn't offer the kid unless the staff really likes him. And obviously, they are not too high on him (yet), and neither are Tenn, Ohio St, Texas, USC, Alabama, etc.

The coaching at ND has been awful for the last 2 years (minus a few games here and there), and the development of athletes is still in question. But I trust the staff when it comes to recruiting. They've brought some great hauls in, and if they're not high on young man Tate, then I'll defer to them...
 
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Because you can't just offer a kid because other small schools like him (that's not exactly a muderer's row of schools up there) and he runs fast. He's a 2* recruit for some reason. How bad would it look if we offered him 'just to throw our hat in the ring', and then when he accepts we have to say 'no' to make room for a much higher profile recruit we all want? I mean, his brother is a star at our school, and if we pull the offer, how bushleague would we look? That looks really bad. I wouldn't offer the kid unless the staff really likes him. And obviously, they are not too high on him (yet), and neither are Tenn, Ohio St, Texas, USC, Alabama, etc.

The coaching at ND has been awful for the last 2 years (minus a few games here and there), and the development of athletes is still in question. But I trust the staff when it comes to recruiting. They've brought some great hauls in, and if they're not high on young man Tate, then I'll defer to them...

I would but look where that has got us this kid is good he just didn't go to all the camps that get the coach's eyes.

Saturday, 08/25/07

Tate's big night overshadowed by Bobcat offense
Greenbrier downs JPII 35-28

By Cecil Joyce
The News Examiner

HENDERSONVILLE – Wesley Tate was great, but Greenbrier’s offensive line proved that whoever had the ball last got the last laugh.

The Bobcats executed a 14-play, eight-minute drive and scored the go-ahead touchdown with just 15 seconds left to take a 35-28 victory over Pope John Paul II here Friday night.


“They had a tremendous size advantage on us,” said JPII Head Coach Jeff Brothers, whose squad won last year’s game 28-14. “They really grinded it out on us on that last drive. We may have been a little worn down at that point.”

The loss offset a big night for Pope John Paul II tailback Tate, who rushed for 171 yards and four touchdowns. He had a 68-yard TD run and a 71-yard TD punt return called back by penalty.

“He’s better than last year,” said Greenbrier Head Coach Kirk Williams of the Knights’ standout, who is the younger brother of former JPII star and current Notre Dame player Golden Tate. “He’s a little stronger and a little faster. He’s a very good running back.”

However, Greenbrier countered with 320 rushing yards out of primarily four players, led by Michael Seay (six carries, 135 yards), Zack Ziegler (16-104) and fullback Ryan Dickerson (12-41), who scored the go-ahead touchdown on a 1-yard dive on third down.

Dickerson scored three of the team’s five touchdowns.

“We tried to move the ball around to different running backs,” said Williams. “Seay had a great game, but it was a great team effort. Both teams played hard, especially considering the heat. It was a great football game.”

After Dickerson scored on a 3-yard run for a 7-0 Greenbrier lead, Tate and the Knights needed just one play to tie things as the junior rambled 63 yard to pay dirt.

Seay rambled 79 yards for a touchdown on Greenbrier’s next series. That was followed by a 68-yard TD scamper by Tate to even things at 14 late in the first quarter.

“Wesley was outstanding,” said Brothers. “He’s certainly the type of player that we can lean on. We had two penalties behind the play that deflated us a little bit when he made big plays. You can call it young mistakes or first-game mistakes. But, Wesley played a fantastic game.”

Seay was equal to Tate’s task.

“We had great blocking all night,” said Seay. “It’s good we had the ball at the end. We scored at just the right time. Tate’s a real great player.”

A six-yard scoring run by Dickerson put Greenbrier up 21-14 and a one-yard scoring run by Ziegler made it 28-14.

JPII bounced right back and scored on a Tate touchdown run from the 1, making it 28-21 at halftime.

Tate’s five-yard scoring run evened the score at 28 late in the third quarter.

However, after forcing the Knights to punt with more than eight minutes left, Greenbrier went on the long drive, netting five first downs en route to the game-winning score.

Pope John Paul II quarterback Stephen Catignani was just 2-of-9 through the air. He did run for all of his 48 yards in the second half, picking up some big first downs along the way.

“He put the ball in receivers’ hands,” said Brothers. “We were wondering how long it would take our young team to gel, and hopefully it won’t be long. We’ll have to come back and play well next week.”

Greenbrier quarterback Justin Grogan was 5-of-11 for 82 yards.
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yea and look what they did at those games. jack shit.

my sentiments as well....

Well, I'm glad you guys can judge talent off of one HS All-Star game. So according to you guys Evans, Wood, Stockton, Motta are all junk because none of them did "jack shit" in the AA game. Just because kids are legacy players doesn't mean they don't deserve a scholly. And I'm sure you've seen hours of game tape and actually seen them play so you can make an informed judgement besides how many stars they have next to their name.
 
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