O line

[Flyin_Irish]

You are kidding me. Right?

CW's offense is flat out stupid. It might work next year but...

Not much difference between head-up or I H O blocking. Linemen aren't stupid. People are as stupid as their manager thinks they are and allows them to be. Friggen play football. CW's offensive package does not allow for that. Could be lack of depth, or silly offensive package.

I don't know.

I have noticed that O-line lacks footwork and misses on unnecessary chop blocks.

I doubt the silly offensive package is the real problem. The real problem is that nobody is teaching these kids how to play football. You mentioned poor footwork. Poor technique combined with not knowing what to do and when/where/how to do it are the O line's problems. The scheme might be fine. The teaching needs to improve. I don't even care what kind of scheme, zone or whatever, they just need to learn to do something and do it well.

 

[ARALOU]

Sorry man, but this is a stupid comment.

The scheme might be too complex for college kids, but it's proven at the NFL level.

I think the problem is that NFL level playbooks are far too much for college kids to learn.

You may be right. In the NFL you have the best football players available. In college you may have a choice few NFL players. At each position in the NFL the competition almost assures that the most talented ones have the job. Either they produce or someone else gets the job (and the money). In college, the best you have may be in and just not good enough to grasp the system.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Wait... complexity of scheme? I just graduated from a college as a three year starter that utilized an extremely heavy zone scheme. It would take all of four seconds to relay a call from my center, to me, to the tackle and the tight ends if necessary. Zone is so simple to run, even tweaking it for inside, outside, etc. What has been pissing me of is that Latina is not turning out the roadgraters we need. If they can't run block, screw it, let's go Texas Tech and run twice a freaking game from the spread. Run a counter, toss in a trap, hell, even... RUN THE GODDAMN OPTION! Zone isn't complex, it is just a massive lack of effort on Latina's part and the inability to man up, grab your sack, and physically dominate the other man.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Wait... complexity of scheme? I just graduated from a college as a three year started that utilized an extremely heavy zone scheme. It would take all of four seconds to relay a call from my center, to me, to the tackle and the tight ends if necessary. Zone is so simple to run, even tweaking it for inside, outside, etc. What has been pissing me of is that Latina is not turning out the roadgraters we need. If they can't run block, screw it, let's go Texas Tech and run twice a freaking game from the spread. Run a counter, toss in a trap, hell, even... RUN THE GODDAMN OPTION! Zone isn't complex, it is just a massive lack of effort on Latina's part and the inability to man up, grab your sack, and physcially dominate the other man.

Damn straight dude. Thanks for the input. Chime in every time you can with your insight.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

You are kidding me. Right?

CW's offense is flat out stupid. It might work next year but...

So those Super-Bowl wins are proof to you that the scheme is bad? Wow.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I doubt the silly offensive package is the real problem. The real problem is that nobody is teaching these kids how to play football. You mentioned poor footwork. Poor technique combined with not knowing what to do and when/where/how to do it are the O line's problems. The scheme might be fine. The teaching needs to improve. I don't even care what kind of scheme, zone or whatever, they just need to learn to do something and do it well.

The team improved on D and special teams. They scored lots of points compared to last year. Maybe they lost some hope after the Pitt game, and it just kinda happened that the second half of the schedule was tougher(?)

Disagree with your post. A good offensive scheme allows any player to be sure about what he is going to do and then charge forward. I think this staff is a bunch of quality coaches and teachers. I think ND wins next year with this exact same staff, give or take an offensive tweak.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

So those Super-Bowl wins are proof to you that the scheme is bad? Wow.

The superbowl wins are proof to me that the Patriots won some football games.

Has not translated to ND. How long did it take to get a first down last year? A touchdown? Did you watch the games or did you sit around thinking about how to be the above the crowd thinker?

This is college football. You are the guy that said Fla's offense is not good because it will not work in the pros.

70 lil pointsy wointsys. In a college game. And an impending NC.

We are talking college football dude. The buck stops there. Quit looking ahead.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Well put! I agree, Oline is about footwork and explosion. We let the opposition run us down from the backside way too much. With Zone blocking scheme, the back hits the hole running down hill. If nothing is there, there should schematically be a cut back. Without executing the back side sting, cut, chop, there is not a cut back option. I am tired of our Running game being so constipated. We need some offensive fiber or something.

Wow. And:

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

The superbowl wins are proof to me that the Patriots won some football games.

Some? 3 Super Bowls in a row.

Has not translated to ND. How long did it take to get a first down last year? A touchdown? Did you watch the games or did you sit around thinking about how to be the above the crowd thinker?

This is college football. You are the guy that said Fla's offense is not good because it will not work in the pros.

I agree that the scheme is too complex for college...not a shocker.

I never said FL's offense is not good because it would not work in the Pros. I said GT's was not good. I said it was not good because you cannot win a Title with the Option...that's why it's not used in the pros as well.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Dude. Dude. Dude.

So option should not be run in college, even though you can win an NC because it won't work in the pros?

And Fla and WV don't run option?


Dude Dude Dude. Just because it is not the obvious "veer" or "triple option" does not mean it is not "option football." Some people have actually figured out, yep, all by themselves, to option a handoff to fullback or quick hit to Z. Yep.

Have you ever played or studied or coached the game? Do you know that football offense "evolves." Some pro team used the option yesterday, but I can't remember which... (EDIT - It was the Detroit Lions. TV is on ESPN and just showed Detroit running load option play.)

Whatever. It takes a total team effort. But to say option will never work sounds extremely, well...

 

[Junkhead]

So those Super-Bowl wins are proof to you that the scheme is bad? Wow.

The Super Bowl means jack to ND football. I don't care what he did years ago, for whatever reason, his offense is a college football joke now.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Dude. Dude. Dude.

So option should not be run in college, even though you can win an NC because it won't work in the pros?

And Fla and WV don't run option?


Dude Dude Dude. Just because it is not the obvious "veer" or "triple option" does not mean it is not "option football." Some people have actually figured out, yep, all by themselves, to option a handoff to fullback or quick hit to Z. Yep.

Have you ever played or studied or coached the game? Do you know that football offense "evolves." Some pro team used the option yesterday, but I can't remember which... (EDIT - It was the Detroit Lions. TV is on ESPN and just showed Detroit running load option play.)

Whatever. It takes a total team effort. But to say option will never work sounds extremely, well...

Nuetured my brother, a bit of advice: When trying to make a point, never, and I mean NEVER use the Detroit Lions as a reference point. Just lie and say it was the New England Patriots or something!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Nuetured my brother, a bit of advice: When trying to make a point, never, and I mean NEVER use the Detroit Lions as a reference point. Just lie and say it was the New England Patriots or something!

But....umm.... .didn't they SCORE on that play?

Heck I don't know.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Neutered... for shame... for shame...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Neutered bows head in shame, kicks the ground, walks away...

 

[WabashFalcon]

On a lighter note... one of the greatest moments of my life occured when my quarterback sophomore year took all five of us to Applebee's, told us to go nuts, and actually picked up a three hundred dollar tab. It was the sweetest, most delicious meal of my life.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

On a lighter note... one of the greatest moments of my life occured when my quarterback sophomore year took all five of us to Applebee's, told us to go nuts, and actually picked up a three hundred dollar tab. It was the sweetest, most delicious meal of my life.

On a "lighter" note, 300 hundred dollars of food.

Fumble.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Touche you sonofabitch.