Irish Fans Can't take the heat.....

[ironirish]

Its nice to see how everyone can't take not winning a championship every year, so we filter through coaches and it hasn't gotten us anywhere. Weis will win next year. We haven't had the time to develop the athletes we have to be able to run the table even with a weak schedule. So lets hear some feed back from you little cry baby's who instead of sticking up for our team would rather side with the rest of the nation and get on the boat about firing charlie.

 

[fitz_bu47]

I agree, in our society today everybody wants instant gratification. We don't want to work hard and be patient for anything, we want results now, and if we don't get them, we make a change.

 

[nd1988]

Its nice to see how everyone can't take not winning a championship every year, so we filter through coaches and it hasn't gotten us anywhere. Weis will win next year. We haven't had the time to develop the athletes we have to be able to run the table even with a weak schedule. So lets hear some feed back from you little cry baby's who instead of sticking up for our team would rather side with the rest of the nation and get on the boat about firing charlie.

What do they say, "If you can't take the heat.. Get the F____ out the kitchen!!!" Basically... If you're not gonna support the entire team "including staff", jump ship and go elsewhere.

 

[Sureal]

edit: Forget it... don't want to rehash something that's been spoken about in the other 99 threads concerning this...

 

[tankjeep]

Its nice to see how everyone can't take not winning a championship every year, so we filter through coaches and it hasn't gotten us anywhere. Weis will win next year. We haven't had the time to develop the athletes we have to be able to run the table even with a weak schedule. So lets hear some feed back from you little cry baby's who instead of sticking up for our team would rather side with the rest of the nation and get on the boat about firing charlie.

oh i support the team alright and have all my irish gear out or on for game days, but i'll be honest....i'm not so confident that c'dub is the man to lead this team back to the national stage. there hasn't been much evidence of his coaching ability and the product he puts on the field hasn't shown me enough to warrant him keeping his job.

but now that the school has decided to keep him, i'm behind the team 100%. even when they were stinking it up i was & i'll be yelling & cheering every saturday like i've always done, but i'm worried that c'dub might diminish the talent with the lack of actually coaching that's done on his part (or the coordinators too).

 

[onenybrother]

Let's Go Dame and Charie !!!!!

 

[CurtisCandy]

I haven't been too vocal about my feelings on whether or not The irish should have kept or fired Charlie, and that's simply because I'm not 100% sure exactly how I do feel about it.

However, I think it's painting with a very broad brush to say that if you're for his dismissal it's simply because we "can't take not winning a championship every year" and not because maybe after some careful thought and concern, a person might have legitimate questions as to his ability to get the job done.

I also support Coach Weis fully and will continue to do so as long as he is the Chief of my beloved Irish. But, if I have seen actual game instances repeated where I believe some of his decisions were questionable and if I have some concerns over whether or not he's able to rally the troops at a collegiate age, as opposed to the pro level, then I'm somehow less of a fan?

I haven't called for Charlie's head, as the jury is still out for me as to whether or not he can get the most out of the talent he has on the field. However, it's kind of insulting to think that if I see things that make me believe that someone else may be better suited for the job, then I'm supposedly less of a fan.

I hope Coach Weis leads our boys to greatness. But, as we go along that path, is he supposed to be insulated from any type of questioning of his moves by the people who are most passionate about the results on the field?

 

[mooneytostle]

Its nice to see how everyone can't take not winning a championship every year, so we filter through coaches and it hasn't gotten us anywhere. Weis will win next year. We haven't had the time to develop the athletes we have to be able to run the table even with a weak schedule. So lets hear some feed back from you little cry baby's who instead of sticking up for our team would rather side with the rest of the nation and get on the boat about firing charlie.

1) Why will Weis win next year? How do you know, seriously? Not only did the team not improve throughout the course of the season, they actually regressed.

2) So there are only two camps? (1) Crybabies who don't stick up for the team; and (2) those who wanted to keep Charile. Are you serious? This is completely moronic.

I support the team. I don't support the mismanagement of the football program by both the administration and the coaching staff.

3) We haven't had time to develop athletes? Why? What were they busy doing when they were supposed to be getting better over the past two years? There is a fundamental problem when you can only manage 43 yards on the ground against Syracuse. By the end of this season, the argument "they are inexperienced" does not work. People have been using that for too long. While it is true that we still don't have great depth at certain positions, that does not excuse the fact that our first string players are poorly coached.

4) You really think we can run the table next year? Wake up. Anyone who thinks we will be in a position to beat USC next year is either stupid or in serious denial. The fact that we have more talent on our team than every other team (except USC) on our schedule (again) next year only proves Weis' deficiencies further. We will lose games to teams that, on paper, we should beat by multiple touchdowns.


I wanted Weis to succeed as much as anyone. But I will no longer blindly follow him and be an apologist when the writing is on the wall. He is incapable of coaching (and hiring the right assistants to coach) fundamentals necessary to win games in college football.

 

[Sureal]

Agreed Mooney,

What's frustrating is that someone starts a thread with the same crap that's already been handled in 76 previous threads.

ONCE AGAIN:

TO BE CRITICAL OF PLAY CALLS OR EXPRESSING DISAPPOINTMENT WITHOUT IDIOTIC PERSONAL INSULTS TO THE PLAYERS OR COACHES DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE NOT A FAN !!!

Get over it already.

 

[ND.SB]

i gotta say that peeps who jump on the band wagon with "it's CW's fault" are morons. You think Swarbrick is going to go up to the board of directors at ND-discuss the team and NOT make a good decision? Don't forget about the boosters/backers who get their opinion expressed.yeah yeah-we've had a speed bump in the past with a coach-but don't you think that we've learned from it? CW doesn't belong in the category of Willingham-so be quiet about it. Firing CW isn't the answer. GET OVER IT DUDES.

 

[NDMontana]

Why will Weis win next year?

What makes you think we'll run the table....remember how we lost to Syracuse?

I didn't take a position on Weis being dismissed either. I don't approve of the job he's done but I need to see alternatives and a contingency plan in place before endorsing his dismissal.

The "rest of the country", which you refer to, is actually a few select media personalities. In case you haven't noticed-- and judging by the disposition of your post, you haven't--nobody else cares about Notre Dame. We haven't won a bowl game since '95. We have been blown out in all three BCS appearances we've made and our record over the last two years is 9-15.

This team hasn't been good since 2005. We made the Sugar Bowl in '06 on name recognition. The reality is that the '06 incarnation of ND football really wasn't that good. BQ was hit every time he dropped back, the running game was bad and the defense was terrible.

I don't think that 2005 was magic or that the team's success was begotten by some "magical first year coach effect". But I do think that CW lost something along the way. It's conceivable that he can get it back but he certainly did not get it back this year. Two good years, two bad years. I'm calling year five the rubber year because whichever direction the team takes is going to be CW's lasting legacy.

8-4 or 9-3 next year is not good enough. My request to people like yourself, iron, is that you just stay quiet if things don't go well next year. The self-righteousness that exists on this board is incredible. Denying the fanhood of others based on their view of the coach is bufoonery.

 

[NDMontana]

I agree, in our society today everybody wants instant gratification. We don't want to work hard and be patient for anything, we want results now, and if we don't get them, we make a change.

Rush to judgement is synonmous with the concept of instant gratification. Often times, good or bad results are not sufficiently analysed so as to understand the underlying cause of either result. Perhaps those seeking CW's dismissal are very much the same as the ND administration that gave CW a generous--in both length and monetary terms--contract based on one season's results.

 

[mooneytostle]

Rush to judgement is synonmous with the concept of instant gratification. Often times, good or bad results are not sufficiently analysed so as to understand the underlying cause of either result. Perhaps those seeking CW's dismissal are very much the same as the ND administration that gave CW a generous--in both length and monetary terms--contract based on one season's results.

and by one season's results you mean: going 4-2 in his first 6 games as coach.

 

[NDMontana]

and by one season's results you mean: going 4-2 in his first 6 games as coach.

I deemed his whole first season as a success. Juxtaposing Charlie Weis' first season and Willingham's last season shows obvious differences in effort and results. After that first season Weis' path has converged with Willingham's. Yet, the fact remains that there was something special about Charlie's first year compared with the preceeding ten years and the subsequent three.

I didn't advocate CW's retention nor his dismissal. I can tell you that I was opposed to his contract extension.

 

[mooneytostle]

I deemed his whole first season as a success. Juxtaposing Charlie Weis' first season and Willingham's last season shows obvious differences in effort and results. After that first season Weis' path has converged with Willingham's. Yet, the fact remains that there was something special about Charlie's first year compared with the preceeding ten years and the subsequent three.

I didn't advocate CW's retention nor his dismissal. I can tell you that I was opposed to his contract extension.

i was merely noting that the administration gave him an extension based on the result of 6 games. I also agree that 2005 was a good year.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

8-4 or 9-3 next year is not good enough. My request to people like yourself, iron, is that you just stay quiet if things don't go well next year. The self-righteousness that exists on this board is incredible. Denying the fanhood of others based on their view of the coach is bufoonery.

I agree with everything you posted except the part about 8-4, 9-3 not being good enough. Look, the fact is, the team regressed this year. I've seen people boast that we won 3 more games, and that is proof of "improvement".

But if watch what happened ON THE FIELD, the results got progressively worse this year as things went on. In 07, it was bad all year, but by the end of the Stanford game, you thought, ok, things might be brighter in 08, they look better. This years team peaked, arguably, with the Purdue game, and things only got worse (except when Ty is on the other sideline, which is no coincidence). JC clearly regressed. The ground game never did anything. 6-6 just didn't look any better than 3-9.

The point is, the NUMBER of wins doesn't matter, its what the gameday product looks like. If we went 6-6 again, but were really competitive with everyone including USC, then I could live with that. I could also see skating by a bunch of junk teams with a 9 win season, and getting humiliated in a bowl we probably didn't earn by play as much as reputation (sound familiar?). That would NOT be improvement. The NUMBER of wins doesn't matter, but I must see improvement on the field.

 

[coachjohnson]

If its been in 76 other threads, don't contribute to it, why even bring it up?

 

[NDMontana]

I agree with everything you posted except the part about 8-4, 9-3 not being good enough. Look, the fact is, the team regressed this year. I've seen people boast that we won 3 more games, and that is proof of "improvement".

But if watch what happened ON THE FIELD, the results got progressively worse this year as things went on. In 07, it was bad all year, but by the end of the Stanford game, you thought, ok, things might be brighter in 08, they look better. This years team peaked, arguably, with the Purdue game, and things only got worse (except when Ty is on the other sideline, which is no coincidence). JC clearly regressed. The ground game never did anything. 6-6 just didn't look any better than 3-9.

The point is, the NUMBER of wins doesn't matter, its what the gameday product looks like. If we went 6-6 again, but were really competitive with everyone including USC, then I could live with that. I could also see skating by a bunch of junk teams with a 9 win season, and getting humiliated in a bowl we probably didn't earn by play as much as reputation (sound familiar?). That would NOT be improvement. The NUMBER of wins doesn't matter, but I must see improvement on the field.

Have you glimpsed next years schedule? I don't think that six wins is going to be an improvement. You're logic is acceptable and it makes sense on many levels but I can't agree with employing competitiveness as the metric for measuring improvement. We could, conceivably, go 6-6 every year and be competitive....that's not good enough. The only games in which ND was not competitive this year were BC, USC and Michigan State. We competed with Syracuse, North Carolina and Pitt. The reality is that the only acceptable loss of the three was to North Carolina. Pitt was using their second string quarterback and Syracuse defies explanation. But if being competititve is the metric than the team was successful in 75% of their games.

Just an opinion which is not necessarily correct.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Rush to judgement is synonmous with the concept of instant gratification. Often times, good or bad results are not sufficiently analysed so as to understand the underlying cause of either result. Perhaps those seeking CW's dismissal are very much the same as the ND administration that gave CW a generous--in both length and monetary terms--contract based on one season's results.

Touché.

Well done.

 

[NDMontana]

Touché.

Well done.

Hello my four legged (and I'm not looking at your legs!), fury friend. When does the new job start?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Christmas eve. Job description says I need to lead a sled around the world in a split second. Gonna be tough, but I think with some magic dust and the threat of Santa behind me...

 

[ARALOU]

I have to say the last two years have sucked. Last year being the worst but this year was sort of disappointing also. I must say that if the beginning of next year shows any signs of being the same as this year then he better shake things up. New QB, or bench anyone that does not show any tendency to make a play. What is it going to hurt? If things still are not improving then we will know changes at the top need to be made.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Agree. Next year is make or break, especially concerning CWs offense, but I do think they showed improvement on special teams and especially the defense.

For whatever that's worth...

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Christmas eve. Job description says I need to lead a sled around the world in a split second. Gonna be tough, but I think with some magic dust and the threat of Santa behind me...

Don't bring up the "threat of Santa behind me.." Damn pervert - always making me reach for the presents waaaayyyy in the back behind the tree! And making me sit on his lap all the time!

 

[tankjeep]

Don't bring up the "threat of Santa behind me.." Damn pervert - always making me reach for the presents waaaayyyy in the back behind the tree! And making me sit on his lap all the time!

you guys ain't right in da head

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Wut? We suppose to feel comforted? Fly a mile in my hooves, hearing Santa say "On Donner, now on Blitzem..."

 

[tankjeep]

Wut? We suppose to feel comforted? Fly a mile in my hooves, hearing Santa say "On Donner, now on Blitzem..."

you've heard of ear muffs right....i'm sure with today's technology you could get them specially made

 

[ND.SB]

you've heard of ear muffs right....i'm sure with today's technology you could get them specially made

lol....

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Just what we need two weeks before our bowl game.
Look...it's ok to be a diehard CW supporter. It's also ok to question whether or not he's the right guy for the job. It's been an awful 2 years, and frankly, after 4 years...excuses don't mean much in college football today.
We're all ND fans, we just have a different take on what we'd like to see.
Calling other people out because they have a different take than you is presumptuous.....what makes anybody correct.
Here's what we need to do.

1) Beat Hawaii. Get the media off our ass and some momentum going into next year.
2) Get Manatee to sign with us.
3) Have CW make some changes to the coaching staff.
Beyond that, let's just see what happens.

(Inspired by the great Jiggafini)

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

you've heard of ear muffs right....i'm sure with today's technology you could get them specially made

And snow shoes yada yada...

You heard of "Big Bang" theory? Santa can surely coach. Inspires me to fly around the world in a split ass second.

Quit staring at my legs. I'm shy.