Race, College Football, and Notre Dame

[Legacy]

Black Coaches in The NCAA: Race Matters and Coaching Hires | Bleacher Report

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I'm so tired of hearing about black coaches in college and professional sports.
Those who bring it up (not you Legacy) are typically the worst offenders.
Most people don't care about it...as ND has hired three in recent years...HC, OC, DC.
Time to move on, or let a school hire one if it means that much to them. I'm more interested in coaching ability.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I'm so tired of hearing about black coaches in college and professional sports.
Those who bring it up (not you Legacy) are typically the worst offenders.
Most people don't care about it...as ND has hired three in recent years...HC, OC, DC.
Time to move on, or let a school hire one if it means that much to them. I'm more interested in coaching ability.

Agreed. Does anyone REALLY think that even though America has gotten to the point where we can elect an african american PRESIDENT for crying out loud, that there is some sort of vast conspiracy to keep minorities out of coaching jobs? Please. The best coaches will always rise to the top and get the jobs, and their skin color has nothing to do with those selections anymore.

 

[midwestguy]

Agreed. Does anyone REALLY think that even though America has gotten to the point where we can elect an african american PRESIDENT for crying out loud, that there is some sort of vast conspiracy to keep minorities out of coaching jobs? Please. The best coaches will always rise to the top and get the jobs, and their skin color has nothing to do with those selections anymore.

No offense. But this is about as idiotic a post as I have ever seen here. Oh, we elected a half black President so GOOD NEWS - RACISM is over. Give me a break.

You do realize that Obama was ELECTED and NOT HIRED by a steering committee or an Athletic Director, right? You can see the distinction, I presume?

In the 100 and some Div 1A programs there are currently 3 black head coaches. That is a friggin joke. You trying to tell me qualified black coaches aren't available? Because simple statistics will tell you there obviously are. Black coaches get passed over because some people don't think of black coaches as head coach material. Does everyone think that? No, but enough do which is why the disparity exists between black players and black coaches.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

No offense. But this is about as idiotic post as I have ever seen here. Oh, we elected a half black President so GOOD NEWS - RACISM is over. Give me a break.

You do realize that Obama was ELECTED and NOT HIRED by a steering committee or an Athletic Director, right? You can see the distinction, I presume?

In the 100 and some Div 1A programs there are currently 3 black head coaches. That is a friggin joke. You trying to tell me qualified black coaches aren't available? Because simple statistics will tell you there obviously are. Black coaches get passed over because some people don't think of black coaches as head coach material. Does everyone think that? No, but enough do which is why the disparity between black players and black coaches.

I guess you haven't read your own work. LOL
I'm not telling you anything..except I'm tired of race being shoved down my throat. Anything you interpret beyond that....is your mind inserting it's own interpretation.

You make me laugh...in the not so good way.
Have a nice day!

 

[midwestguy]

I guess you haven't read your own work. LOL
I'm not telling you anything..except I'm tired of race being shoved down my throat. Anything you interpret beyond that....is your mind inserting it's own interpretation.

You make me laugh...in the not so good way.
Have a nice day!

I wasn't responding to you, but anyone who says "I'm tired of race being shove down my throat" in response to a simple article about race and coaching tells me all I need to know about said individual.

Have a nice life.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Here's my favorite part

Croom, Shannon, Prince and Gill have all included African-Americans in their coaching staffs including their coordinators, effectively creating hiring trees for black coaches to obtain valuable experience. Willingham, regrettably, stands out as a head coach who never had a black coordinator, ironically never tapping that “valuable resource”.

 

[TX_Irish]

Agreed. Does anyone REALLY think that even though America has gotten to the point where we can elect an african american PRESIDENT for crying out loud, that there is some sort of vast conspiracy to keep minorities out of coaching jobs? Please. The best coaches will always rise to the top and get the jobs, and their skin color has nothing to do with those selections anymore.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

No offense. But this is about as idiotic a post as I have ever seen here. Oh, we elected a half black President so GOOD NEWS - RACISM is over.

Thats HARDLY what I said. The implication is a vast conspiracy to suppress minorities in coaching. Perhaps that happened in the 50's, but I assure you it isn't happening today.

You trying to tell me qualified black coaches aren't available?

I don't know, I haven't interviewed any lately. But I AM trying to tell you that College athletics are now businesses that wins matter MOST, not grudges, prejudices or any other nonsense. Are you trying to tell me that AD at hilljack school A sees a minority who brings amazing credentials, has obvious coaching and motivational skill, and easily connects with boosters and players alike, but because he's black, the AD will hire someone less qualified? Not this day and age. Not gonna happen. Wins matter too much. If they are out there, they'll get hired

Now, lastly, I DO take offense to you calling me idiotic. If you can't bring a well reasoned argument to the table without insulting, then you might as well just leave your crap at home. You lose credibility when you behave like that.

 

[Legacy]

I think the underlying story is how much Notre Dame has contributed to preparing and advancing African-Americans in athletics. With such a high graduation rate of blacks, this subgroup of Notre Dame grads has been given opportunities -athletics or elsewhere - to succeed where other schools fail.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Agreed. Does anyone REALLY think that even though America has gotten to the point where we can elect an african american PRESIDENT for crying out loud, that there is some sort of vast conspiracy to keep minorities out of coaching jobs? Please. The best coaches will always rise to the top and get the jobs, and their skin color has nothing to do with those selections anymore.

A bit naive there. Do you really think Tennessee's new coach rose to the job over anyone else more qualified other than his dad has pull?. Strong possibility that good ol boys taking care of each other. Maybe not so much wrong with that, but hopefully the HC can hire the best asst of any race he has met along the way.

I remember thinking ND gave in to pressure to hire a black coach. I applauded ND when they fired him. After the first few games of his tenure, I saw that they were about to go nowhere fast. I was vocal about it to "real" people, but they shooed me off cuz, hey, ND is winning. His teams were skyrocketing down with no parachute. That was my impression.

Funny that all this talk about lack of minorities focuses on black coaches. What about hispanics and others?

Just a thought and not meant to piss off the righteous.

I'm Bambi dammit.

 

[NDMontana]

I'm so tired of hearing about black coaches in college and professional sports.
Those who bring it up (not you Legacy) are typically the worst offenders.
Most people don't care about it...as ND has hired three in recent years...HC, OC, DC.
Time to move on, or let a school hire one if it means that much to them. I'm more interested in coaching ability.

I've talked to my African-American friends about the issue of racially mandated coaching numbers. While they agreed that it's great for the NCAA to encourage black headcoaches, they don't appreciate how much it's talked about in the media. One of them went to Notre Dame (Class of '03) and he was against Ty Willingham from the word go.

I think, and they agreed, that schools are not helping out Afican-Americans by hiring them as coaches just because they're black. That doesn't fit into any true civil rights supporter's dream. Dr. King desired to be judged on the merits of his talents, abilities and accomplishments....not on the color of his skin. So when you have more qualified candidates but hire an African-American based soley on the fact that they're black than you're not helping anyone--youself included.

 

[urbanmeyerbadhire]

Agreed. Does anyone REALLY think that even though America has gotten to the point where we can elect an african american PRESIDENT for crying out loud, that there is some sort of vast conspiracy to keep minorities out of coaching jobs? Please. The best coaches will always rise to the top and get the jobs, and their skin color has nothing to do with those selections anymore.

If anything, Obama's election shows how much race is a boon to those black people. If Obama had been white, would he have been even seriously considered president? Along with every Democrat elected official in Illinois, he opposed the war but I never recalled hearing that those white Democrats being talked up as president. He was the beneficiary of white guilt, where white liberal pansies could feel better about themselves by voting for him. In this time of crisis, we've just anointed as president somebody who just came into the spotlight only recently. We have no idea who he really is, and yet now he's going to be our president? Even his supporters had no idea what he stood for- trying asking any of them if they really understood what 'change' Obama was going to bring.

The same thing happened with a lot of these black coaches. You've got to understand the type of people who run colleges- they really, really wanted to hire black coaches. And, oftentimes, that means picking an under qualified black candidate over a more deserving white candidate. For example, UCLA selected Karl Dorrell over Mike Riley for its coaching job even though Dorrell was just a WR coach and Riley had already been a college coach and NFL coach. If you compared what Dorrell and Riley had done up to that point, Riley should have been the clear favorite. And, since then, Riley has done a pretty amazing job when you consider that he's coaching at Oregon State. If there were more deserving black coaches, you'd see college administrators elbowing each other out of the way to sign those coaches up.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Just a thought, and don't shoot my mother if you disagree (I'm Bambi), but maybe "minorities" have about 180 years of catching up to do before things really "balance" out.

Does not mean any single "minority" can't rise to the top (ummm Obama?) in any endeavor, but maybe real balance - or for the melting pot to truly "blend" - it could take a while longer.

Who knows. Right now is the only time I have to take advantage of what I have.

(I am a "minority". And I'm sexy.)

-Just a thought.

 

[NDMontana]

Just a thought, and don't shoot my mother if you disagree (I'm Bambi), but maybe "minorities" have about 180 years of catching up to do before things really "balance" out.

Does not mean any single "minority" can't rise to the top (ummm Obama?) in any endeavor, but maybe real balance - or for the melting pot to truly "blend" - it could take a while longer.

Who knows. Right now is the only time I have to take advantage of what I have.

(I am a "minority". And I'm sexy.)

-Just a thought.

Hello my friend. I hate to disagree with you here but....what catching up? There is not a single living slave in the U.S.

I don't have to pay for the sins of white people from prior to the middle of the twentieth century. Neither my paternal or maternal family came to the U.S. until 1900 and they sure as hell didn't own any slaves.

You can't expect people to pay for the sins of their fathers. You can't expect someone who wasn't complicit in a crime to do the time for it.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Hello my friend. I hate to disagree with you here but....what catching up? There is not a single living slave in the U.S.

I don't have to pay for the sins of white people from prior to the middle of the twentieth century. Neither my paternal or maternal family came to the U.S. until 1900 and they sure as hell didn't own any slaves.

You can't expect people to pay for the sins of their fathers. You can't expect someone who wasn't complicit in a crime to do the time for it.

You are the stats man. Look at all the stats.

You aren't disagreeing with me because you are arguing your own point and missed mine completely, or maybe I did not make myself clear. Maybe reread my post with a clearer mind.

Slavery is still alive and well. It is just hidden and politically corrected. Don't be naive.

Don't worry about disagreeing with me. That's why we discuss. I then I jump through the screen, kick your booty, then we have a beer. I just have not figured out how to jump through the screen.

 

[Cedar Point]

Hello my friend. I hate to disagree with you here but....what catching up? There is not a single living slave in the U.S.

I don't have to pay for the sins of white people from prior to the middle of the twentieth century. Neither my paternal or maternal family came to the U.S. until 1900 and they sure as hell didn't own any slaves.

You can't expect people to pay for the sins of their fathers. You can't expect someone who wasn't complicit in a crime to do the time for it.

and yet, it was not very long ago that the African desendant was denied the right to vote in many states.
I think that it is important to understand that one of the biggest factors concerning the Civil Rights movement of the 60s was the "Cold War". It was because the Soviet Union and the rest of the world was watching, that the "March on Selma" was so important.
It was the support of JFK that influenced that to a relatively non-violent success.
It was the power of RFK and the Federal Marshalls that protected the marchers from certain destruction. Because of TV coverage.
And it was because of the loss of popularity in the South for JFK because of his support for the march that brought his re-election campaign to Dallas.
And it was that winter, "the winter of our discontent", that lead to the hiring of a non Notre Dame alumni to coach the Fighting Irish.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

and yet, it was not very long ago that the African desendant was denied the right to vote in many states.
I think that it is important to understand that one of the biggest factors concerning the Civil Rights movement of the 60s was the "Cold War". It was because the Soviet Union and the rest of the world was watching, that the "March on Selma" was so important.
It was the support of JFK that influenced that to a relatively non-violent success.
It was the power of RFK and the Federal Marshalls that protected the marchers from certain destruction. Because of TV coverage.
And it was because of the loss of popularity in the South for JFK because of his support for the march that brought his re-election campaign to Dallas.
And it was that winter, "the winter of our discontent", that lead to the hiring of a non Notre Dame alumni to coach the Fighting Irish.

Very good. I meant to mention some of that in my last post, but I was trying to figure out internet travel...

ADHD sucks sometimes.

 

[Legacy]

Alabama's football team integrated in 1970 and Sylvester Croom was added to the freshman team in 1971. Croom was on the team that lost to the Irish in 1973 in the Sugar Bowl, but split the national championship. Alabama won N.C.s in 1978, 1979, 1992.

Peggy Wallace Kennedy (daughter of George and Lurleen Wallace) wrote the day after Obama's election about an encounter while visiting her parents graves: "I was holding a bouquet of them in my arms when the woman walked up and gave me a crushing hug.
'Honey,' she said, 'you don't know me, but when I saw you standing up here on this hill, I knew that you must be one of the girls and I couldn't help myself but to drive up here and let you know how much me and my whole family loved both of your parents. They were real special people'...
After a few moments, the woman leaned into me and spoke almost in a conspiratorial whisper. 'I never thought I would live to see the day when a black would be running for president. I know your daddy must be rolling over in his grave.'
Not having the heart or the energy to respond, I gave her bony arm a slight squeeze, turned and walked away. As I put the remnants of the graveyard spray in the trunk of my car, I assumed that she had not bothered to notice the Barack Obama sticker on my bumper."

Someone may one day say, "I never thought I would live to see the day a black would be head coach of Alabama." - though for most people that may not be an issue.

 

[Sureal]

Or a black republican president...