Trends

[irishfan1122]

First, I am not going to promote my love for Notre Dame, if I didn't care about them, I wouldn't take the time out of my day to post this. With that being said, life is all about trends and the following is the "trend" of Notre Dame football over the last 6 games:

Record 2-4
Combined record of opponents: 31-33 (UNC, Washington, Pitt, BC, Navy, Cuse)
Combined record of teams that resulted in a win: 6-15 (Washington, Navy)
Combined record of teams that resulted in a loss: 25-19 (UNC, Pitt, BC, Cuse)

Average over last 6 games

Passing: 248 ypg
Rushing: 132.16 ypg
Total Offense: 380.16

Average Points Per Game over last 6 games:

23.3 points per game for Notre Dame
22.3 points per game for Opponents

Turnovers over last 6 games:

Notre Dame: 19
Opponents: 3
Turnover margin: -16



Discuss...........

 

[NDinL.A.]

The turnover margin is simply embarrassing and unacceptable. Makes me want to puke. No way in hell you win games like that. I can't believe the defense has cause so few damn turnovers! And the offense ain't any better. Wow.

All those other numbers you could counter with other stats.

Here's the trend that hurts the most: We've sucked for the past 2 years.

 

[irishfan1122]

what would you counter with? I posted this so we could go back and forth.....I searched for other factors, but truthfully, i don't know what they would be

 

[mooneytostle]

Here's the trend that hurts the most: We've sucked for the past 2 years.

We've basically sucked since the BC game in 1993.

 

[Zorro50]

We've basically sucked since the BC game in 1993.

They sucked that day too. Mike f@#$in Mamula

 

[scoutgod]

Getting 40 something yards rushing is the killer. Syracuse gave up 90 yards to Northeastern when NE threw it 37 times to catch up.

The rushing scheme is the weakest part. That is the key to losing double digit leads. Can't run? Can't hold leads.

 

[irish4ever]

The rushing scheme is the weakest part. That is the key to losing double digit leads. Can't run? Can't hold leads.

Ding, ding, ding .... we have winner! The inability of having a decent running attack is the difference of the Irish being 9-2 as opposed to 6-5. Of course, the tunrover margin is definitely a contributing factor!

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Being an ND fan and an Eagles fan in Philly, it is absolutely disguting to watch two teams with huge O lines have no ability to run the ball whatsoever. Completely unacceptable.

Third and one for those two teams might as well be third and twenty. Oh wait, ND does 2nd and 47...

Never ever saw anything like that before.
2nd and 47...

 

[NDinL.A.]

what would you counter with? I posted this so we could go back and forth.....I searched for other factors, but truthfully, i don't know what they would be

The rushing yards, for example. The reason it's so high is because we dominated against one team. Realistically, we SUCK at running the ball.

Or the fact that we are outscoring our opponents overall the last 6 games. One could argue that's only because we killed Washington, who hasn't won a game. Throw that game out and what is our average margin?

You could also say our passing stats are skewed because of the downpour in Boston in the 2nd half, or the Navy game (running the whole time), or the fact that we played 2 games without our best passing weapon.

I wasn't trying to disparage your post at all; there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Sorry if it came out that way. I'm just saying that most stats can be countered w/ other stats. But the one that jumped out at me was the turnover margin. That is pathetic...

 

[irish4ever]

Third and one for those two teams might as well be third and twenty. Oh wait, ND does 2nd and 47...

Never ever saw anything like that before.
2nd and 47...

How many times have they gone for on 4th 2 this year and been stuffed? After a while one would think to either punt the damn ball OR doing something more creative than running off tackle and into the teeth of the defensive line.

 

[NDinL.A.]

We've basically sucked since the BC game in 1993.

No, we've had our moments. 2005 was a great friggin year. we thought we were back. All the way up to #5 in the nation and an illegal play away from beating the #1 team. We were relevant for a minute anyways. Also 2 BCS bowls just 2 years ago, and a BCS bowl under Tysuck Willingsuck.

We haven't been great like we've wanted, but we haven't sucked for every one of those years. Fuck it, who am i kidding? We suck!

just kidding; we've had our moments...

 

[irishfan1122]

The rushing yards, for example. The reason it's so high is because we dominated against one team. Realistically, we SUCK at running the ball.

Or the fact that we are outscoring our opponents overall the last 6 games. One could argue that's only because we killed Washington, who hasn't won a game. Throw that game out and what is our average margin?

You could also say our passing stats are skewed because of the downpour in Boston in the 2nd half, or the Navy game (running the whole time), or the fact that we played 2 games without our best passing weapon.

I wasn't trying to disparage your post at all; there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Sorry if it came out that way. I'm just saying that most stats can be countered w/ other stats. But the one that jumped out at me was the turnover margin. That is pathetic...

Oh i know you weren't disparaging the post. All statistics can be countered, I was just wondering what you would counter with that's all.

 

[irishfan1122]

more numbers on the turnovers....

In the first 5 games of the season, the #s are very interesting compared to that of the last 6.

ND: 7
Opponents: 16

 

[WaveDomer]

more numbers on the turnovers....

In the first 5 games of the season, the #s are very interesting compared to that of the last 6.

ND: 7
Opponents: 16

While there are other aspects of the game that teams need to play well in order to win, you can't win if you don't protect the ball. Also, creating turnovers often gives you a shorter field or takes away an opponent's possible scoring chance. Turnovers are huge.

 

[scoutgod]

Turnovers over last 6 games:

Notre Dame: 19
Opponents: 3
Turnover margin: -16



Discuss...........

... two of those were the back to back onside kicks by Navy.... which were debated on here by some as not being a huge deal


"it's completely unexpected that Navy will put up 3TDs due to 2 onsides kicks."

"it amazing that when one mistake happens (special teams) eveyone wants to can that coach"


while some said..


"2 poor plays on special teams with the onside kicks, especially with the second one where Hughes, Brown, and Tate all looked up at the ball. ND cannot finish a team off this year. "

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Reading stuff like this just gets me pissed off all over again. It is Tuesday and I thought I was calming down a bit, but then I read this and the bile starts to boil up again and I get that acid taste in the back of my mouth like you get just before you puke. -16 in turnovers?!? Holy crap! That is awful. I am really trying to stay positive, but even I am having trouble keeping my chin up with all the SC fans around me. I am taking such abuse at work, its not even funny anymore.

 

[irishfan1122]

Reading stuff like this just gets me pissed off all over again. It is Tuesday and I thought I was calming down a bit, but then I read this and the bile starts to boil up again and I get that acid taste in the back of my mouth like you get just before you puke. -16 in turnovers?!? Holy crap! That is awful. I am really trying to stay positive, but even I am having trouble keeping my chin up with all the SC fans around me. I am taking such abuse at work, its not even funny anymore.

HAHA, I fell ya. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but is there one thing that this team does well? Please don't come back with the response: SUCK

 

[NDinL.A.]

Reading stuff like this just gets me pissed off all over again. It is Tuesday and I thought I was calming down a bit, but then I read this and the bile starts to boil up again and I get that acid taste in the back of my mouth like you get just before you puke. -16 in turnovers?!? Holy crap! That is awful. I am really trying to stay positive, but even I am having trouble keeping my chin up with all the SC fans around me. I am taking such abuse at work, its not even funny anymore.

You and me both brother. Keep up the good fight. Ask them how Leinart's doing right now. Ask them about Bush and 'the house'. Ask them how long their showers are at night since they have to get so much DIRT off themselves from their dirty program. Remind them of Paul Hackett and his 500 play playbook, and ask them if they were fans back then. (And then sit back and listen to them bag on ND for the Syracuse loss and everything else fucked up with our program right now!!!).

I'm fortunate enough to be a wee-bit quick-witted, so i can bag on USC with the best of them. But man, these last 2 years I've been taking my lumps. What more can you say after Syracuse??? I can only counter with Stanford and Oregon St. for so long!

Please ND, show up against SC. That's not a lot to ask for!!!

 

[mooneytostle]

No, we've had our moments. 2005 was a great friggin year. we thought we were back. All the way up to #5 in the nation and an illegal play away from beating the #1 team. We were relevant for a minute anyways. Also 2 BCS bowls just 2 years ago, and a BCS bowl under Tysuck Willingsuck.

We haven't been great like we've wanted, but we haven't sucked for every one of those years. Fuck it, who am i kidding? We suck!

just kidding; we've had our moments...

1) We were not an elite team in 2005 - we had an elite offense (and our offense was elite b/c of Quinn, Fasano, Stovall, Samardzija, Walker, Shelton - and an offensive that was above average - not because of Weis)

2) We should not have been playing in a BCS game in 2006. We weren't that good.

3) Willingham never went to a BCS game (Davie did; blown out in the Fiesta Bowl v. Oregon State in 2000).

We suck and have for a long time. One good year among more than a dozen does not change that fact.

It is very saddening to see what Notre Dame football has become

 

[NDinL.A.]

1) We were not an elite team in 2005 - we had an elite offense (and our offense was elite b/c of Quinn, Fasano, Stovall, Samardzija, Walker, Shelton - and an offensive that was above average - not because of Weis)

2) We should not have been playing in a BCS game in 2006. We weren't that good.

3) Willingham never went to a BCS game (Davie did; blown out in the Fiesta Bowl v. Oregon State in 2000).

We suck and have for a long time. One good year among more than a dozen does not change that fact.

It is very saddening to see what Notre Dame football has become

1) Read the post again. I never said we were an elite team. Matter of fact, if you had read correctly, I specifically said that we haven't been great like we wanted.

3) Did i really write that? Damn, my bad. Shame on me.

* We do suck, I already said that (many times), but we haven't sucked the entire time. That was my whole point. You even said that yourself.

It is a shame what ND football has become. I'm praying for better days...

 

[mooneytostle]

1) Read the post again. I never said we were an elite team. Matter of fact, if you had read correctly, I specifically said that we haven't been great like we wanted.

3) Did i really write that? Damn, my bad. Shame on me.

* We do suck, I already said that (many times), but we haven't sucked the entire time. That was my whole point. You even said that yourself.

It is a shame what ND football has become. I'm praying for better days...

I was merely referencing the fact that you brought up our #5 ranking. The 5th best team in the country is an elite team. We were not as good as the ranking given to us. We may have had a top 5 offense that year - but not on the whole. Six or a half dozen i suppose. We are in the same boat.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

You and me both brother. Keep up the good fight. Ask them how Leinart's doing right now. Ask them about Bush and 'the house'. Ask them how long their showers are at night since they have to get so much DIRT off themselves from their dirty program. Remind them of Paul Hackett and his 500 play playbook, and ask them if they were fans back then. (And then sit back and listen to them bag on ND for the Syracuse loss and everything else fucked up with our program right now!!!).

I'm fortunate enough to be a wee-bit quick-witted, so i can bag on USC with the best of them. But man, these last 2 years I've been taking my lumps. What more can you say after Syracuse??? I can only counter with Stanford and Oregon St. for so long!

Please ND, show up against SC. That's not a lot to ask for!!!

I still have my "Decade of Dominance" T-shirt from back when ND was beating SC something like 12 or 13 years in a row, but it doesn't fit me as good as it used to so I can't wear it anymore. Those were the days though. I try to hold on to 2005 as well, but it is getting harder and harder to do. The Syracuse loss really messed us up. I have had many oranges left on my desk this week. It is really bad. I am praying we have a good showing against them on Saturday. I have lit many candles at church and said many rosaries - probably more than I should given that I am praying for sports victories. I just hope the boys play with heart!!! I think this team needs a good pregame fight in the tunnel just like they did in SB against the Todd Marinovich-led Trojans. Stonebreaker ripped off a guys helmet and started beating him with it! Priceless!!!

 

[SoCalDomer]

I still have my "Decade of Dominance" T-shirt from back when ND was beating SC something like 12 or 13 years in a row, but it doesn't fit me as good as it used to so I can't wear it anymore.

I just found that shirt in my drawer this weekend when I was doing some reevaluation of my wardrobe. mine has holes in it, is probably a little too small. but you don't throw away ND clothing. so back it went.

 

[IrishAddiction]

Am i the only one that is starting to hope we see a new starter at the QB position next year. Jimmy has been ok, but seems to not have that nack of scrambling and making plays.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Am i the only one that is starting to hope we see a new starter at the QB position next year. Jimmy has been ok, but seems to not have that nack of scrambling and making plays.

That means starting all over once again. Jimmy has made huge strides. He's getting better. Not all QB's can make huge plays with their legs. It's great, but not necessary. Crist redshirted this year for a reason. He's not even 2nd string. Next year, he'd be learning on the job, and we'd be worse off than this year. It's the toughest position in sports for a reason. Crist would almost surely struggle, and we'd be asking for JC again. What you'll see is Crist playing behind the same shitty line throwing against 8 men dropping 'cause he has ZERO running game. Everybody loves the backup until they get in.

Look at Sanchez at USC. He redshirted, then sat as a redshirt freshman the whole year. Then he was supposed to sit AGAIN, but Booty got hurt last year. So Sanchez got 2 1/2 years to sit and watch and still struggled much of the time when he played, including throwing a pick which cost them a shot at the NC. Even Tebow played only on certain downs as a freshman before getting the full-time gig as a soph.

So, I'd say it's a longshot at this point. Next year he'll be the backup, and if Jimmy struggles, he may play. But I see Jimmy continuing to progress. Give him a chance. Hell, give him a damn running game and half a decent line. We gave Brady a chance, and look how he turned out. Clausen has better #'s and no Walker, so I'd say he's on the right track. He needs to improve (that laser vision he gets is bad), but he'll be fine...

 

[Timugen]

It's pretty simple folks....

When you find yourself throwing your hands up in the air and screaming "WTF!?!?" every Saturday, in absolute bewilderment as to how a team loaded with so much talent can sh!t themselves so efficiently..... it points to one thing and one thing only.

The coaching.

There's a difference between a "bad game" that "just didn't go our way" and a team full of blue-chippers that looks worse than a middle-of-the-road Sun Belt team week after week.

 

[scoutgod]

That means starting all over once again. Jimmy has made huge strides. He's getting better.

agree. I think JC is a D-bag, but he is solid and improving.