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[Irish Rogue]

I come to this site to talk about Notre Dame football. We are all here for that, but I can respect opposing views on anything. Stoney and me might be opposites politically, but it can be respectful. On the other hand, you have no place to preach MY political views to me. Take your 16 posts and shove them up your ass. Rush Limbaugh or Steven Colbert are not reality. Stop taking sides and political party talking points and grow up. Neither party is ever totally right, and you sound like a total jackrag even commenting on this.

Keep collecting government cheese. I have no use for you.

 

[Junkhead]

I have no use for you.

Don't call me out then. Go hug your declining stocks and shine up the W sticker on your SUV.

 

[SouthernIrish]

If this country doesn't start pulling together, we are all in the crapper no matter WHO wins.

I am so sick of "us" versus "them" in our OWN country.

 

[Junkhead]

If this country doesn't start pulling together, we are all in the crapper no matter WHO wins.

I am so sick of "us" versus "them" in our OWN country.

I agree, and I have no idea how it started or how to "fix" it. I partially blame the blowhard radio type nuts who fill millions of peoples heads with propaganda and hatred. And Congress for sticking to party lines, maybe?! Not to harp on him anymore, but I still remember Bush saying he was the "Uniter, not divider". Hell, even I thought he was doing an ok job until the Iraq diversion, and that's where a lot of the lines were drawn. I don't remember anytime other than after 9/11 in which I thought there was some unity. It didn't last.

 

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

I think 9/11 finished Bush...

I think 9/11 finished Bush...

I agree, and I have no idea how it started or how to "fix" it. I partially blame the blowhard radio type nuts who fill millions of peoples heads with propaganda and hatred. And Congress for sticking to party lines, maybe?! Not to harp on him anymore, but I still remember Bush saying he was the "Uniter, not divider". Hell, even I thought he was doing an ok job until the Iraq diversion, and that's where a lot of the lines were drawn. I don't remember anytime other than after 9/11 in which I thought there was some unity. It didn't last.

as far as a domestic agenda. Whatever planning for the
economy was shelved and government effort and resources
moved to the international scene.


Congress played tug of war with the economy and the Presi-
dent stayed aloof. In his second term, instead of force-
fully confronting critics of Iraq policy, he adapted a
bunker mentality.

Time after time, I thought it was in his best interest to
address the American people - he did not and the press had
a field day.

He had the opportunity to take the offensive with the
subprime mortgage fiasco. No mention of who initiated
that mess (Clinton's attempt at social engineering) nor
why congress was obligated to fix it (they had blocked
correctiive legislation).

The fallout from Bush's silence on that fiasco stuck
to McCain. It suddenly became guilt by association
and probably will cost the republicans the election.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

you explain his $600 mil, ever seen him salute an American flag? I didn't think so. Go ahead vote for him, not me

Actually, he has put his hand on his heart. However, proper ettiquette is to either put your hand on your heart OR to stand at attention.

He should not salute of course since he was not in the military.

 

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

It is not going to get better...

It is not going to get better...

If this country doesn't start pulling together, we are all in the crapper no matter WHO wins.

I am so sick of "us" versus "them" in our OWN country.

There are no longer resources avaible to keep everyone happy.
Yet both sides promise everything to everyone. The military
have a term for it: mission creep. Trying to be all things
to all people. The mission scope becomes larger and larger.

While doing my fall foliage thing, I noticed not only the
signs but also that the single largest buildings in the
small towns of Pennsylvania belonged to the federal govern-
ment.

I think part of the problem is that the press, government
and the public in general really believe that this country
is still the land of grand opportunity. The concept of
scarce resources and being an importer nation just doesn't
sink in.

My inlaws came over, for the first time in ten years, and
remarked how shabby things looked here compared to their
last visit. I didn't bother telling them that it only
looks this good because of the IOU notes we give to
China (called treasury securities) or that the SOcial
Security and Medical Care are next to fall.

No, the country will not come together until we drop
the misconceptions and accept a hard dose of reality.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

While doing my fall foliage thing...
No, the country will not come together until we drop
the misconceptions and accept a hard dose of reality.

Ease up on the litotes.

 

[SoCalDomer]

I believe it was a book I read by John Adams in college offered this thought that i though was very insightful:

No democratic government can long be much better or much worse than the people it represents.

 

[FrankMA]

Congress played tug of war with the economy and the Presi-
dent stayed aloof. In his second term, instead of force-
fully confronting critics of Iraq policy, he adapted a
bunker mentality.

Time after time, I thought it was in his best interest to
address the American people - he did not and the press had
a field day.

He had the opportunity to take the offensive with the
subprime mortgage fiasco. No mention of who initiated
that mess (Clinton's attempt at social engineering) nor
why congress was obligated to fix it (they had blocked
correctiive legislation).

The fallout from Bush's silence on that fiasco stuck
to McCain. It suddenly became guilt by association
and probably will cost the republicans the election.

Well said. Let us also not forget that John McCain was one of those who warned congress in 2005 that if they didn't act with corrective legislation that there would be hell to pay. He was right; but, now, becuase people don't know that, he is the one paying the price for congrss inaction.

 

[SouthernIrish]

I don't know if its my middle of the road, always been an independent politically attitude but I think it is absolutely ridiculous the way both sides point fingers and lay blame to each other for every single problem this country faces. After this election I can already see the losing side lining up with machine guns ready to mow down the winners with complaints and criticisms.

Its so stupid to think that one political party is responsible for all of our problems and that the other has all the answers. History has shown how dangerous it can be for a president to surround himself with like-minded people. We need a government that after the election that can move beyond this extreme partisanship and ideological rigidity and work together. For that to happen, WE, the people have to stop sounding like Talk Radio Hosts.

One of our greatest presidents, Abraham Lincoln chose to include three former adversaries on his cabinent because “We needed the strongest men. These were the very strongest men. I had no right to deprive the country of their services.”.

Its not a football game with Our Side and The Bad Guys. The other party is not filled with idiots, they just have different ideas and beliefs that act as checks and balances. I believe that balance is exactly what made our country great to begin with.

 

[NDFan4Life]

If this country doesn't start pulling together, we are all in the crapper no matter WHO wins.

I am so sick of "us" versus "them" in our OWN country.

Sad to say, but it looks like it'll be that way for years to come.

One thing a lot of people seem to forget is that politicians are supposed to work for US. At the same time, the politicians have evidently forgotten this also. I'm sick of all of the career politicians who have been bought off by special interest groups. We ,as Americans, should demand that Congress enact term limits. As far as I know, that would be the only way we can ensure that politicians wouldn't be "bought off" and would be doing the job they were entrusted to do.

 

[SoCalDomer]

As far as I know, that would be the only way we can ensure that politicians wouldn't be "bought off" and would be doing the job they were entrusted to do.

on a slightly different note, politicians being bought off is only part of the problem (though a big one). few people realize who much we the american public have been bought off through essentially two ways: entitlements and immigration.

Entitlements:

Consider Jimmy Carter’s horribly misguided establishment of two vast new cabinet level departments—the Department of Education and the Department of Energy. When the indignant public swept out of office the worst president of modern times, Reagan took the White House with talk of eliminating one or both of these two wasteful bureaucracies. Even the Great Gipper failed in this endeavor, and the Departments of Energy and Education continue to soak up hundreds of billions of tax dollars and to employ tens of thousands, despite their abject failure at improving either public education or our energy supplies.

For those who believe it’s easy to reduce or erase such spending in future administrations, consider the example of Bill Clinton’s cherished “service program” AmeriCorps (which pays its “volunteers” close to $30,000 a year). Gingrich, George W. Bush and countless other conservatives recognize that this is a wasteful, crooked, outrageous effort to use taxpayer money to fund leftist activism, but even when the GOP controlled all levers of government they made no progress in slaughtering the monster.

Or think about Lyndon Johnson’s federal initiative for a “National Endowment for the Arts” in 1967. By now, this appalling program has wasted many billions of taxpayer dollars to fund the ugliest and most puerile sorts of artistic expression. No one can make a serious case that the NEA has accomplished anything worthwhile in uplifting or enriching our culture (in which more than 98% of all cultural spending comes from private sources—donations, opera tickets, sales of paintings, museum admissions, or corporate grants—rather than government initiatives at the federal, state or local level). Despite the endlessly demonstrated uselessness and insipidity of the National Endowment, it continues to flourish and even won increased appropriations in recent years.

Immigration:

Many conservatives passionately opposed the sweeping immigration reform promoted in 2007 by President Bush and Senator McCain (and, it must be noted, a majority of Republican members of the US Senate). Opponents of the comprehensive Senate compromise objected to the bill because it granted a complicated path to legalization for some of the millions of illegal immigrants who are already here. Those concerned citizens who celebrated “victory” last year with the collapse of the immigration compromise should prepare themselves for a much more liberal, forgiving reform under Obama (and his supportive Congress) that will make legalization far easier, and will include far more illegal future voters and citizens.

In any event, we’ve been down this road before: the Republicans claimed credit for the restrictive Immigration Act of 1924, all but eliminating the flow of humanity from Eastern and Southern Europe, and as a result vast numbers of ethnic voters (Italians, Poles, Jews, Greeks and more) became loyal Democrats for a generation or more.

This shift in immigrant voters played a huge role in the establishment of the New Deal Coalition that won five Presidential elections in a row (1932 through 1948) and totally dominated Congress for an appalling fifty years (1930-1980).

As Amity Shlaes shows in her necessary new book “The Forgotten Man,” FDR failed miserably at turning around the US economy (the Depression lingered until the beginning of World War II) but succeeded brilliantly in achieving long-term power for the Democratic Party. The innumerable government programs launched by the New Deal may have done nothing to advance the overall interests of the nation of the economic system, but they performed magnificently at creating dependent interest groups who voted reliably Democratic for decades. If the government hands out goodies to various constituencies, those segments of the population will continue to support the idea of enriching themselves with other people’s money.

it seems presidential politics have become like my high school elections, where the candidate who promised to give away the most stuff was elected, regardless of whether he could realistically deliver on Free Pizza Fridays, shorter classes, longer breaks and bands on wednesdays.

want free (there's no such thing) health care? want free pensions (SS)? want to get out of those mortgages you never should have signed but still want to keep your house? sure, we'll give you all that and more. and we eat it up.

meanwhile the two responsibilities of the president are to be the commander in chief, protecting the country from without, and to faithfully execute the laws of the land. he's not supposed to be the chief economist. he's not supposed to be the guy who makes us feel all warm and fuzzy (unless it's because we're safe from attacks or congress who is trying to run afoul of the constitution). he's not the promoter of free stuff, education, the arts, social contracts, etc. but we've changed the role of the president because we want someone to make us feel good, and to give us the stuff we want.

 

[FrankMA]

it seems presidential politics have become like my high school elections, where the candidate who promised to give away the most stuff was elected, regardless of whether he could realistically deliver on Free Pizza Fridays, shorter classes, longer breaks and bands on wednesdays.

want free (there's no such thing) health care? want free pensions (SS)? want to get out of those mortgages you never should have signed but still want to keep your house? sure, we'll give you all that and more. and we eat it up.

meanwhile the two responsibilities of the president are to be the commander in chief, protecting the country from without, and to faithfully execute the laws of the land. he's not supposed to be the chief economist. he's not supposed to be the guy who makes us feel all warm and fuzzy (unless it's because we're safe from attacks or congress who is trying to run afoul of the constitution). he's not the promoter of free stuff, education, the arts, social contracts, etc. but we've changed the role of the president because we want someone to make us feel good, and to give us the stuff we want.

Your post says it all.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Your post says it all.

No it doesn't. Doesn't this country celebrate the immigrant day called "Columbus."

Doesn't the plaque at the base of Statue of Liberty say "Give me..."

Bible tries to lend leadership. Ayn Rand had much to bitch about.

CEOs making how much? And got bailed out for how much?

I fail to see the connection between immigration and the housing problem.

Maybe it is a human problem than no one has been able to solve.

Maybe we should quit looking for answers and become the solution.

HEY! I'm gonna send that to the next presi speech writer. "Maybe we should quit looking for answers and become the solution."

Can of worms. Nightcrawlers. (Stick em in chickenliver blood and you can catch some MEAN catfish. But I digress.)


(Kneejerk answer. I might edit tomorrow, and call you all gay.)

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

This country (and every country) has the right to control its borders. Mexico has laws on their books that make ours look downright lenient. Immigrants come here illegally and demand that they have rights........try that one in ANY other country but ours.
Immigrants and housing? How about the huge expense of housing illegals in our prisons? It's become a huge expense to do so. Of course, many illegals don't pay taxes, but get free healthcare at ER's.

Immigration is a huge issue. The SOLUTION is to stop illegal immigration, and stop letting the democrats rewarding (encouraging) it by handing out drivers licenses and pressuring banks to allow accounts/loans.

My two cents.

 

[FrankMA]

No it doesn't. Doesn't this country celebrate the immigrant day called "Columbus."

Doesn't the plaque at the base of Statue of Liberty say "Give me..."

I fail to see the connection between immigration and the housing problem.

Maybe it is a human problem than no one has been able to solve.


(Kneejerk answer. I might edit tomorrow, and call you all gay.)

How about giving us legal immigration instead of illegals who have no respect for the laws of this county. Their first act in crossing the border is disregart U.S. laws.
The fact that as many as 5 million illegals got bad housing loans did contribute quite a bit to the housing problem.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

How about giving us legal immigration instead of illegals who have no respect for the laws of this county. Their first act in crossing the border is disregart U.S. laws.
The fact that as many as 5 million illegals got bad housing loans did contribute quite a bit to the housing problem.

Prove your statement.

Where were your grandparents born?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

How about giving us legal immigration instead of illegals who have no respect for the laws of this county. Their first act in crossing the border is disregart U.S. laws.
The fact that as many as 5 million illegals got bad housing loans did contribute quite a bit to the housing problem.

I know of several legal US citizens who have lost combined millions based on their greedy stupidity.

"I want it and I want it NOW daddy!"

I do not know an "illegal" citizen. I don't ask anyone if they have papers in order to have the priveledge of speaking to me. You guys are still talking stats and quoting stat-ers.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

This country (and every country) has the right to control its borders. Mexico has laws on their books that make ours look downright lenient. Immigrants come here illegally and demand that they have rights........try that one in ANY other country but ours.
Immigrants and housing? How about the huge expense of housing illegals in our prisons? It's become a huge expense to do so. Of course, many illegals don't pay taxes, but get free healthcare at ER's.

Immigration is a huge issue. The SOLUTION is to stop illegal immigration, and stop letting the democrats rewarding (encouraging) it by handing out drivers licenses and pressuring banks to allow accounts/loans.

My two cents.

Who? Name names.

You are better than that.

(I had to involve myself in this thread cuz ND about to throw it down against Tyrone. Gonna be a knockdown. ND better FUCKING win.)

 

[FrankMA]

Where were your grandparents born?

My grandparents were born in Europe and came here legally and had great respect for the laws of this country. As far as I know they never broke any laws.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I don't know if its my middle of the road, always been an independent politically attitude but I think it is absolutely ridiculous the way both sides point fingers and lay blame to each other for every single problem this country faces. After this election I can already see the losing side lining up with machine guns ready to mow down the winners with complaints and criticisms.

Its so stupid to think that one political party is responsible for all of our problems and that the other has all the answers. History has shown how dangerous it can be for a president to surround himself with like-minded people. We need a government that after the election that can move beyond this extreme partisanship and ideological rigidity and work together. For that to happen, WE, the people have to stop sounding like Talk Radio Hosts.

One of our greatest presidents, Abraham Lincoln chose to include three former adversaries on his cabinent because “We needed the strongest men. These were the very strongest men. I had no right to deprive the country of their services.”.

Its not a football game with Our Side and The Bad Guys. The other party is not filled with idiots, they just have different ideas and beliefs that act as checks and balances. I believe that balance is exactly what made our country great to begin with.

Very nice post. Thank you.

(For whatever that's worth...)

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

My grandparents were born in Europe and came here legally and had great respect for the laws of this country. As far as I know they never broke any laws.

So they were immigrants.

Since you are concerned about the illegals, then name names. If you don't, you will be held as an accompice. Otherwise, get the fuck over it.

(I think I read that quote on a TV show)

Nothing against you my friend. I am just getting fired up about ND-Washington. Personally, I hope nobody bashes Tyrone after we kick their ass. I am more scared poopless about this game than any other. I am not so worried about who we as a country elect as presi because I think we will come together.

We have no choice.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I believe it was a book I read by John Adams in college offered this thought that i though was very insightful:

No democratic government can long be much better or much worse than the people it represents.

We am who we be.

Try "ruling" that.

 

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

It is funny how...

It is funny how...

Well said. Let us also not forget that John McCain was one of those who warned congress in 2005 that if they didn't act with corrective legislation that there would be hell to pay. He was right; but, now, becuase people don't know that, he is the one paying the price for congrss inaction.

Our objective and unbiased media seems to forget these things...Tom

 

[Junkhead]

Immigration is a huge issue. The SOLUTION is to stop illegal immigration, and stop letting the democrats rewarding (encouraging) it by handing out drivers licenses

Are you refering to Davis in California? He was an idiot. It's a huge failure all around, but how can it not be laid at the feet of W, since he claimed he would secure the borders, catch Bin Laden, etc. Such an epic failure. I can't find any info on how one side is more to blame than the other, besides W's empty promises.

 

[FrankMA]

Prove your statement.

Where were your grandparents born?

Here is the proof. The following is a quote-the statistics come from the Department of Housing and Urban development:
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development reports that five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens. As of right now, it is not known how many of these mortgages have contributed to the subprime mortgage meltdown.
Here is the link:
ive million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens. | Kevin Colby: News, Culture, Political blog by your favorite antagonist

 

[FrankMA]

So they were immigrants.

Since you are concerned about the illegals, then name names. If you don't, you will be held as an accompice. Otherwise, get the fuck over it.

(I think I read that quote on a TV show)

Nothing against you my friend. I am just getting fired up about ND-Washington. Personally, I hope nobody bashes Tyrone after we kick their ass. I am more scared poopless about this game than any other. I am not so worried about who we as a country elect as presi because I think we will come together.

We have no choice.

Yes, I hope we see a blowout this weekend. Not because of Tyrone, but just because it is more of a must win for ND(It is already to late for Washington and Tyrone) and it would be nice to be on the other end of a blowout for a change.

 

[Sureal]

I never understood the argument of if you don't know any illegal immigrants then it's not your problem. Help me understand this please...

Does that argument includes the knowledge of where your tax money goes?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Here is the proof. The following is a quote-the statistics come from the Department of Housing and Urban development:
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development reports that five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens. As of right now, it is not known how many of these mortgages have contributed to the subprime mortgage meltdown.
Here is the link:
ive million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens. | Kevin Colby: News, Culture, Political blog by your favorite antagonist

I read your link. Boy oh boy. Is that the best you can do? Something hypothetical is multuplied by something hypothetical and therefore - TRUTH. If that little story truly reflects any kind of truth, remember, it was "legal" citizens who "knowingly" gave out bad loans.

I am clueless, but I still don't buy it. And I am not defending "illegal aliens." I just think the whole "illegal alien" issue reached the forefront to mask other serious problems going on.

-Just a normal citizen's passive observation...