offensive line, defensive line i am completely disgusted

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GI,

Somewhere in the rich pastiche of insight that I've strewn about this forum, I mentioned MSU's defensive discipline. I paid attention to ND's attempts at running outside on Saturday and noticed straight away the great pursuit and run support provided by even the backside safety and linebackers.

Those guys came to play. So for ND to run outside successfully, they have to be doing it on all 11 cylinders.

SteveM

I appreciate the insight on the MSU game. Good info. Did you see anything in the first two games? Because I can't recall a run outside this season.

Once again, I tip my hat to your literary prowess. "Pastiche"? Awesome! I always anticipate the erudition you exude throughout all your posts.

 

[SteveM]

A Gem From Junkhead

A Gem From Junkhead

I appreciate the insight on the MSU game. Good info. Did you see anything in the first two games? Because I can't recall a run outside this season.

Once again, I tip my hat to your literary prowess. "Pastiche"? Awesome! I always anticipate the erudition you exude throughout all your posts.

GI,

Unfortunately, I wasn't paying as much attention. Probably because ND was winning. Junkhead put it succinctly at the top of this thread:

Coaching, strength and conditioning, and most of all, motivation should all be looked at.

The reason why backside defenders often make plays is because the offensive guys with responsibility to seal them off get lazy. And that is indeed a function of coaching and/or conditioning.

I have a cable card instead of a DVR. So I can't record the games. I've been thinking about how great it would be to do a Ron Jaworski thing and review the aspects of ND gameplay that we criticize so often. My brother was in the personnel end of the NFL for years. And he's evaluated more game film than you can shake a stick at. It would be great to have a guy like that sequence some specific plays together based on our comments and then stream them out to us guys with his commentary. He could look at a dozen passes by Clausen from a panoramic view and tell you exactly what is working and not working for him as a quarterback. Of course then we would have much less to talk about.

I tell ya, he's a huge ND fan too. But when those guys watch film, they automatically detach emotionally. it's all business.

SteveM

P.S. I thought you were in Miami?

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

You thought I was in Miami???

 

[IrishFern]

sophomore, junior, senior it really doesnt matter, i will give freshmen a pass but once you have played and lets remember some of these guys have started for 3 years. You really really should be able to stay lower than the defensive lineman and put a shoulder into him and move him. Its not like they are not getting there on reach blocks these guys are letting the dl get under their pads and move them backward on straight ahead blocks. Completely unacceptable for a major college lineman.

Its not just now and again either its every single time we run. I also saw too many times where they did not understand what an angle was and let a guy rush right around them to the outside directly into the qb almost like they thought he would go beyond. They at times didnt look like they knew who to block in passing situations. They looked slow, they looked weak, they looked like an absolute mess. And that creates major problems everywhere, run offense, pass offense, defense, special teams. Everywhere


the rbs dont gain big yardage because number 1 there are absolutely no holes to run through, when they do manage a few yards they are having to make moves in the backfield which slows down the progression of the play into the second level. We also do not get very good blocking downfield. I will give the te a break as he is not really ready to be playing but hes out there. The rest of them i expect better from and if i were the coach i would be in their ass every single day.

The dl is small, but on top of that they are slow too. Do not shed blocks, do not take up blocks, do not require double teams. They are going the opposite direction, they are being pushed right off the ball every play. They also create no pressure and we blitz a hundred times a game because of it. And that doesnt produce any pressure.

It isnt necessary to have 5 star recruits to have a good o and d line.

Talk all you want about next year and the year after if the lines dont improve greatly which i dont see happening nothing will matter.


I walked away for a number of hours after the game because i was fired up and i guess i still am. Its quite frustrating to me.

you hit it