09 PA WR Christian Kuntz (PSU Verbal)

[SoCalDomer]

Wide Receiver
Camp Hill (PA) Trinity

Ht: 6-foot-4
Wt: 195 lbs
Forty: 4.5 secs

 

[SoCalDomer]

Christian (no relation to Pat, that I know of) will be on campus at the end of June for the last summer camp. Christian has kind of flown under the radar until lately, when he picked up an offer from Connecticut.

He has the size and speed to play WR, though he currently plays RB for his HS team.

With a good showing at the camp, he could end up with an offer.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Other schools like UConn, Buffalo, Pittsburg and Penn State have either offered or shown some interest here. The interesting thing is not all of the schools are recruiting him for the same position. Some look at him as possibly a linebacker, safety or a wide receiver.

ND is looking at him as a receiver.

Christian says he prefers offense.

 

[irishmarine]

sounds good, i like the tall rangy recievers who can [play multiple postions

 

[Echo Insanity]

is anyone else scratching their head over this?

 

[Get Nasty]

I am confused as hell. NO clue why ND would even look at him.

 

[Synoptico]

I am glad that they are looking at him. It doesn't mean they will necessarily offer but I'm glad that the coaching staff will give an honest look at anyone. That is how you find the guys that slip through the cracks. As far as the WR recruiting is going we have our sights set on some pretty lofty targets. If we are looking at getting two this year, offering a guy like this who is capable (I don't know, I haven't seen him) might put pressure on one of the higher rated WRs to make a decision sooner with only one remaining spot. That is pure speculation of course. This young guy wants an offer, is heading to camp, and will get an honest look from the coaching staff, nothing wrong with that. Keeping their eyes open is how we got Taylor Dever too, another late bloomer.

 

[Get Nasty]

He's not a big D1 school caliber. He is a tall kid playing against some of the worst HS football competition in possibly the whole country. The schools they play hardly have enough kids to field a team.

 

[irish4ever]

He's not a big D1 school caliber.

I guess will be proven whenever he gets into camp at the end of the month. It surely doesn't hurt for the coaching staff to at least look at the kid.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

Rumor has it he is Pat Kuntz's older brother.... yeah, I have no idea how that works either

 

[Synoptico]

He's not a big D1 school caliber. He is a tall kid playing against some of the worst HS football competition in possibly the whole country. The schools they play hardly have enough kids to field a team.

No one may know if he is D1 caliber since (and I am assuming you are correct since I have no knowledge of his competition level) he doesn't play against top tier opponents. The kid can't help his high school schedule so the only way for him to prove whether he is, or is not, a legit prospect is to go to camps, which is exactly what he is doing. What is the worst case scenario for him coming to camp from ND's perspective? They don't like the kid and move on. Best case scenario? They find a diamond in the rough. Having kids come to camps is a no brainer. It is a cheap and effective way of evaluating players and putting them against each other.

 

[Echo Insanity]

?

this just keeps getting weirder and weirder, am i on an LSD trip or what?

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

Yeah, I don't get it either but my sources are telling me he is the older brother of Pat Kuntz

 

[Echo Insanity]

at least this is amusing if nothing else, been boring in these parts the last few days.

 

[SoCalDomer]

is anyone else scratching their head over this?

I am confused as hell. NO clue why ND would even look at him.

He's not a big D1 school caliber. He is a tall kid playing against some of the worst HS football competition in possibly the whole country. The schools they play hardly have enough kids to field a team.

Maybe that's because you guys don't know what you're talking about.

First, ND would be stupid not to look at as much film of as many recruits as possible. They would be stupid to ignore a recruit who comes to camp. Looking at film and watching recruits who come to camp are the only ways they have to determine who is a good recruit. They don't review the recruiting boards and rely on the star system, or look to see who else offered a recruit to determine whether he is a good recruit.

That's the whole recruiting process. Not everyone they look at gets an offer and not everyone that gets an offer commits. You're getting way ahaed of yourselves.

Second, I assume one reason for saying "no clue why they would look at him" is because of the other schools that offered him. When jeff Samardzija signed with ND, his other offers were to Northwestern, Indiana and Purdue. If you would have followed his recruitment you probably would have said the same thing. And i think Samardzija to ND turned out pretty well.

Hafis Williams had only three other offer (Rutgers, PSU and Maryland). Kyle McCarthy had offers from Navy, Northwestern, Toledo and OSU.) Should we have passed on those guys too?

There are many guys who go unnoticed either because they play in smaller FB states, attended smaller schools, or their HS coach is just lazy and doesn't do a good job of promoting his players.

Lastly, if I'm not mistaken Charlie Weis has brought in 3 straight top 10 recruiting classes. Last year (currently a consensus #2) will likely become a consensus #1 class when Alabama loses at least 4 recruits to other sports (MLB) or non-admittance to the school.

There are many recruits who end up flying under the radar who turn out to be great college players.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

Amen SoCalDomer, great post... and might I note, very hilarious too

 

[Echo Insanity]

all i was saying(albeit with a little sarcasm) was that i was a little thrown off by this. the fact that he is not ranked in the top 100 in his position group, puts up average stats against below average competition, and is supposedly pat kuntz's brother throws up a red flag in my head. i know charlies ability when it comes to recruiting, thank God we have him, but if something seems off to me, i just might say something. and if i came off as a dick, my apologies; i meant no personal disrespect to Kuntz, Charlie, or you SoCal.

 

[SoCalDomer]

I think what you're doing is placing too much emphasis on recruiting rankings and top D-1 recruitment.

Take a look at this (someone else put this together, I can't take credit):

2008 NFL First Round Tackles

Jake Long Michigan
Scout **** #11 OL
Rivals **** #21 OT

Ryan Clady Boise St.
Scout ** NR
Rivals ** NR

Chris Williams Vanderbilt
Scout ** NR
Rivals ** NR

Gosder Chrerilus Boston College
Scout **** #27 OL
Rivals *** #35 OT

Jeff Otah Pittsburg
Scout **** #27 OL
Rivals **** #31 Top 100 JC’s

Sam Baker USC
Scout **** #15 OL
Rivals **** #4 OG

Duane Brown VT
Scout *** # 28 TE
Rivals *** #53 TE

2008 Guard
Brandon Albert UVA
Scout * NR
Rivals ** NR

Those were the top offensive lineman drafted in 2008 in the NFL. Yes, you've got some guys in there who are from top D-1 schools. But more than one came from small schools and were entirely unranked or ranked very low by the recruiting sites coming out of HS.

It is fair to point out that this kid plays against lower competition (if that's true. I personally don't know because I don't know that area). It's fair to point out that he's not ranked. But that doesn't mean he is not a D-1 recruit and that ND should turn him away from camp and stop looking at him.

Also, it is not fair for you to say he's related to Pat, unless you've read elswhere he IS. I said:

(no relation to Pat, that I know of)

Pat went to Roncalli HS in Indianapolis, IN. So unless they're cousins or Pat's family moved to PA, I don't think there's any info that they're related.

What you're missing is as of right now, they're just going to look at him when he comes to camp. That's all. They're doing what you do when a recruit comes to camp. You look at his film and evaluate him.

 

[Synoptico]

I think what you're doing is placing too much emphasis on recruiting rankings and top D-1 recruitment.

Take a look at this (someone else put this together, I can't take credit):



Those were the top offensive lineman drafted in 2008 in the NFL. Yes, you've got some guys in there who are from top D-1 schools. But more than one came from small schools and were entirely unranked or ranked very low by the recruiting sites coming out of HS.

It is fair to point out that this kid plays against lower competition (if that's true. I personally don't know because I don't know that area). It's fair to point out that he's not ranked. But that doesn't mean he is not a D-1 recruit and that ND should turn him away from camp and stop looking at him.

Also, it is not fair for you to say he's related to Pat, unless you've read elswhere he IS. I said:

What you're missing is as of right now, they're just going to look at him when he comes to camp. That's all. They're doing what you do when a recruit comes to camp. You look at his film and evaluate him.

Ahhhh you beat me to it... I was just looking up similar information from another blog (won't mention it unless someone else wants) where it had the Top 100 recruits from the past 5 years and shows which ones panned out and which ones didn't.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Ahhhh you beat me to it... I was just looking up similar information from another blog (won't mention it unless someone else wants) where it had the Top 100 recruits from the past 5 years and shows which ones panned out and which ones didn't.

That would be find to post since many people are interested in recruiting. But go ahead and start another thread if you want, so that we don't get off topic here.

 

[Echo Insanity]

i get your point. i dont usually put all my stock into recruiting services, its just the fact he is not in the top 100 position wise that is a strange to me. it was WeisWeisBaby who said he has scource saying the two are related, so i just took his word, i dont know for sure. please note, im not trying to make a case against the kid coming to camp. im just voicing concerns. we have probably two schollies for WRs this year, and i am very wary about taking kids just to fill a spot.

 

[SoCalDomer]

it was WeisWeisBaby who said he has scource saying the two are related, so i just took his word

wwb said he was his OLDER brother. i think he was being a goofball.

im just voicing concerns. we have probably two schollies for WRs this year, and i am very wary about taking kids just to fill a spot.

and those are fair concerns. but you laid out those concerns in several different posts instead of best explaining your point in one post. and you did so in more of a conclusory fashion rather than just laying out the facts (lower competition, not great stats, etc.).

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

HEY SOCAL, that was harsh....really hurt my feelings

 

[Echo Insanity]

that was GetNasty who made the "D-1 material" post. mine was the "scratching the head" post, but thats just splitting hairs at this point. sorry for the misunderstanding, will try to keep my drive-by posts to a minimum.

 

[SoCalDomer]

HEY SOCAL, that was harsh....really hurt my feelings

i hope you know i was joking.

 

[SoCalDomer]

that was GetNasty who made the "D-1 material" post. mine was the "scratching the head" post, but thats just splitting hairs at this point. sorry for the misunderstanding, will try to keep my drive-by posts to a minimum.

my apologies for attributing that comment to you. i'll fix my post.

i also toned down my original response. sorry if that was overly harsh.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

Here's the deal...everyone seems to be able to provide insider info from their sources, well, to be honest, I have NO sources... and I really want to participate, so I feel that it is my duty to bring up rumors and see what sticks....

My sources now are telling me that WWB is very, very, sad

 

[SoCalDomer]

ok, first, very few people here really have sources. my "sources" are just reading as many articles as I can and making educated connections from that.

second, you know you don't need sources to participate. PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE DAY: We like you just the way you are.

(why am i getting the sense we're gonna start hearing a guitar strumming and people in robes singing Kumbaya?)

ok, enough of this. back to football people!

 

[fitz_bu47]

Hell yeah SOCAL! The coaches know what they are doing, after they see him at camp they will know if they want to offer or not.

 

[Get Nasty]

SoCalDomer

SoCalDomer

Camp hill is my neighboring town, and the school he plays for is a small catholic school. They have unreal basketball but are terrible at pretty much everything else (recruit for bball). I haven't seen him play personally but I asked people who have and they said he is just a solid athlete, playing against little boys.

Maybe they are way off and he tears it up at some camps. I also don't blame him for going to camps because you are going to get no press playing football for the school that he does. Just from what people who have seen him play tell me is that they would be shocked to ever see him play WR at a ND or Penn State.

For what it is worth, I thought the shark would be good (not as good as he was), I thought Parris would not be good, and I think goodman is inbetween the two.