Kevin White continues to dumb down future schedules

[ant80]

Why not play scUM at Soldiers Field instead of Army. That would be huge!

Just read this thread and I have to say... Dream on!!! If Rutgers is not going to want to play an 'away' 'home' game, scUM won't even hear of it.

 

[Epitome]

Just read this thread and I have to say... Dream on!!! If Rutgers is not going to want to play an 'away' 'home' game, scUM won't even hear of it.

Youre right that will never even be considered.

 

[kmoose]

Just read this thread and I have to say... Dream on!!! If Rutgers is not going to want to play an 'away' 'home' game, scUM won't even hear of it.

I don't know. Michigan is one of the financial "haves" in College Football, Rutgers is not. Chicago is not a big stretch for fans from Michigan. So they might be willing to participate in "an event", even if it means a few thousand less dollars.

 

[NDboy15]

I don't know. Michigan is one of the financial "haves" in College Football, Rutgers is not. Chicago is not a big stretch for fans from Michigan. So they might be willing to participate in "an event", even if it means a few thousand less dollars.

Yeah, it may help them with recruiting, the Chicago area. I think ND should try to play someone in Chicago, Champaign is starting to compete and get some of the Chicago kids.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I don't know. Michigan is one of the financial "haves" in College Football, Rutgers is not. Chicago is not a big stretch for fans from Michigan. So they might be willing to participate in "an event", even if it means a few thousand less dollars.

Michigan would NEVER play ND on a neutral field...and they would NEVER EVER EVER play ND at home then only play their games anywhere but at Michigan.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

There have been some really good points from both sides here. I am not in favor of playing the hardest schedule. Someone posted earlier, "can you name 5 teams off the 88 schedule?" That is a good point. Nobody remembers a National Champion's schedule, unless it utterly ridiculous (Ohio St. last year, had they one.) However, it needs to be a respectable schedule. In my opinion, we don't need to play any more service academies except Navy, and only teams from the major BCS conferences. Now I'm not saying to schedule the elite teams of those conferences (LSU, Georgia, Texas, ect.) ,but we need to be scheduling teams in them. I am also in favor of trying to get real home and home series in recruiting hot beds like Florida, Texas, and Georgia. Why not try to schedule long term deals with say..........Florida St, Texas A&M, and Ga. Tech. All are middle tier BCS programs that ND has some storied history with. Anybody agree?

I whole heartedly agree. ND is storied because we have clasically welcomed any who wanted to give it their best shot. KW has started to dumb down the schedule because the rest of college football has. Well, THATS CRAP! I don't care if the other schools are doing it. Would you jump off a bridge if OSU did it? Screw that. I have pride in my team and I welcome everyone. You all screw about the NC and never being able to get there. BS, the players will step up. You all think playing more teams that have decent programs dooms us to more losses. I dissagree. Just means we have to play a little harder and want it a little more. Thats what college ball is about, how hard you play and how much you want it.

We need to play ONLY BCS conference teams. Not the hardest in those conferences, but players. Lets play in recruiting hotbeds like Texas. We don't have to play UT, but A&M isn't bad. Why not Florida or Georgia? Better yet, one reason why Rutgers or UConn? Exposure? Money?

College ball shouldn't be about making money, it should be about playing the game against good teams and doing your best against the best. SO at the end of the day, all is settled on the field. Why play a team where you don't even need to turn on the tv to know who is going to win? That doesn't make for an exciting or memorable season. That begs the question, why watch in the first place? I can go mow the grass and it would be more exciting in some cases

Our SOS should never be below the top 10 because we are an independent school and it is hard to build in a tough schedule. And what about pride? Do any of you have it? I'm not proud of a team that only beat 2 or 3 difficult teams. Whoopity doo! Show me a team who beat 4 to 5 and thats something to be proud of. Show me one who beat 6 or more and thats legendary. When someone asks you the score of a mundane game its difficult to recall, when asked the same question about a game that kept you on the edge of your sseat for 3 hours, your quick to respond. People talk about legendary for years, they forget about ordinary in minutes.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

ND is storied because we have clasically welcomed any who wanted to give it their best shot. KW has started to dumb down the schedule because the rest of college football has. Well, THATS CRAP! I don't care if the other schools are doing it. Would you jump off a bridge if OSU did it? Screw that. I have pride in my team and I welcome everyone. You all screw about the NC and never being able to get there. BS, the players will step up. You all think playing more teams that have decent programs dooms us to more losses. I dissagree. Just means we have to play a little harder and want it a little more. Thats what college ball is about, how hard you play and how much you want it.

OK, this is so NOT true.

ND NEVER welcomes all comers. Kevin White has NOT dumbed down the schedule. It's as hard as it's ever been. A lot of people have accused him of it. And there were a couple years where it was unusually hard. But the fact remains that our schedule will be as hard as anyones...and if you think we used to play anyone anytime anywhere, you would be VERY wrong. There is a huge myth around that, which seems to grow larger every year.

We need to play ONLY BCS conference teams. Not the hardest in those conferences, but players. Lets play in recruiting hotbeds like Texas. We don't have to play UT, but A&M isn't bad. Why not Florida or Georgia? Better yet, one reason why Rutgers or UConn? Exposure? Money?

Playing Utah is better than playing half of the BCS Conference teams...so why stick to only BCS teams? If you truly care about a good schedule then limiting the schedule to only BCS teams will inevitably dumb down the schedule.

Our SOS should never be below the top 10 because we are an independent school and it is hard to build in a tough schedule.

So you want to schedule us out of a National Title? Strange desire.

And what about pride? Do any of you have it? I'm not proud of a team that only beat 2 or 3 difficult teams. Whoopity doo! Show me a team who beat 4 to 5 and thats something to be proud of.

So what you are saying here is that you have rarely been proud of ND???

Wow....pretty harsh.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

LovemyIrish, I'm beginning to think you don't know anything about NCAA football, much less Notre Dame football. You're just another one of those people who is happy to follow the rest of the college football crowd. Everyone else is scheduling more easies so they have "better" chances at the NC and your on the bandwagon, thinking it's a great idea for ND to do it also. Why? At the end of the season what do those programs have to hold above their heads? A trophy they won because they skated their way through the season? What do they have to be proud of? Nothing! Character, pride, and a sense of accomplishment are born out of hardship. People, and programs, who have it easy lack these qualities. ie, USC, we would all agree there. These qualities are important to me. Which is why I love ND, the school and athletics.

And how badly can you possibly misconstrue my thoughts? What you're saying is that by scheduling us a top 10 SOS we schedule ourselves out of contention. So, YOU, think we don't have the ability to hang with the best. Thus, YOU'RE the one who thinks lower of our beloved team. And I'm not limiting the discussion to this year or last or next. I understand we'd have probably had a worse season last year if we did, and this year may not turn out that great either if we had a top 10 SOS. I'm talking about all time, from this point forth the SOS should be top 10. Period. Classically, though the decades, this was so, and should continue to be the case. Having a top 10 SOS does make it difficult. But if football was easy, they would have girls, midgets, and guys who play for the pink team playing in college. You may disagree, but I think that by having a legendary program we have no other choice than to continue by scheduling the best.

People like to Argue that a hard SOS schedules you out of contention for the national title. Wrong! It forces your team to play better. Yes, it IS harder to get there. Yes, the road will not be easy. Yes, we won't make it there every year. Yes, it may be one in 5, 10, or even 15 years. But, you know what? It has been 20 years since our last NC. So, 1 NC every ten years isn't bad. And, having to play hard for it only makes ND look better than all the rest.

The pride factor. Also misconstrued. I'm not talking specifically about ND. I'm talking about any team that made it to the big show by only beating 2 or 3 significant teams. When you look at them what do you think? Do you honestly think there goes the greatest team of the year? I don't, I have doubts and questions. Do you remember them 5 years down the line? No. But what if the team that won the NC had to go through 4 or 5 significant teams? 5 or 6? All close games. WOW, what a season! Every game spent at the edge of your seat. Beer spilt all over the carpet because you're jumping with excitement. That's what football is about. Thats what a legendary team is. You remember that team for a while. People compare other teams to that team for years to come. Thats pride, pride in the fact that you KNOW you accomplished a GREAT thing. Not just a typical thing, like every other college football team.

And as for Utah, its not really about Utah, as much as it is BCS teams tend to be in areas of high recruitment, fan base, and exposure. Utah and other non BCS teams, don't bring the fans to the games, even if it is ND. We don't recruit in those areas, we don't need exposure in those areas, so its more a matter of economics. Why go there if it doesn't benefit us? There are BCS easies we can play and stand to gain something from them. Play an easy PAC 10 team in a place where we recruit. Play Texas Tech, an easy team in a recruiting area. See what I'm saying. But also play Auburn, Tenn, Florida, OSU, UT, Georgia, OU, Arkansas, USC, UCLA, Cal, MU, MSU, Penn St, LSU, and FSU. Not all in one season. This way you stick to the important areas, you play contenders, and there are ample opportunities to prove who the best is.

My ideas are idealistic at best. Call it a craving for purity of the game. But college football is one of the last great places where young men play a game purely for the love of it, win or lose, they try their hardest. So why not try your hardest against the best and leave it all on the field. You may not get that NC that year, but each player knows that they went out against the best. Each player leaves with pride, character, and a sense of accomplishment.

Maybe this gives you a little more enlightenment about where I am coming from and where I would like to see them go.

 

[SoCalDomer]

LovemyIrish, I'm beginning to think you don't know anything about NCAA football, much less Notre Dame football.

Oh boy.

Ok, it's kinda bad form to start out an argument that way.

Second, you've been around all of a few weeks, when LMI has been on the board for over two years now putting up alot of info regarding college football and other topics. He and I don't agree on everything (college FB or other topics) but you can't say he knows nothing.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

My apologies. I'm passionate, to say the least.

Even though I've been around for only a few weeks, doesn't mean my opinion doesn't matter or I don't know what I am talking about. Maybe if I was 10 or 12 you could make that argument.

LMI, Nothing personal meant.

It's hard to get my points across on paper/e-paper. But when you have spent as much time on ND campus as I have. It's hard not to be passionate about Notre Dame and what they mean far beyond football.

 

[SoCalDomer]

No, that's true, you being here a short time does not mean your opinion on college football is wrong. I am staying away from further scheduling discussions, so I have no opinion about your scheduling opinion.

My point was concluding that LMI knows nothing is not based on seeing all his posts here, since you've been here such a short time. That was it.

 

[NDOM]

Cant we all just get along????? My opinion is the only one that matters anyway.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

LovemyIrish, I'm beginning to think you don't know anything about NCAA football, much less Notre Dame football. You're just another one of those people who is happy to follow the rest of the college football crowd.

I am extraordiarily familiar with how football works. Very few folks who admin ND boards are doing it just for kicks.

Everyone else is scheduling more easies so they have "better" chances at the NC and your on the bandwagon, thinking it's a great idea for ND to do it also.

No. YOU ARE THE ONE SUGGESTING WE CHANGE OUR SCHEDULING. I am the one pushing for the status quo of the last 70+ years.

And how badly can you possibly misconstrue my thoughts? What you're saying is that by scheduling us a top 10 SOS we schedule ourselves out of contention. So, YOU, think we don't have the ability to hang with the best. Thus, YOU'RE the one who thinks lower of our beloved team.

I am firmly aware of what a brutal schedule does to a team's chances of winning the Title. Having a Top10 schedule is near suicide.

I'm talking about all time, from this point forth the SOS should be top 10. Period. Classically, though the decades, this was so, and should continue to be the case.

THIS IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE. Wake up!!! ND has always worked to have a good schedule and solid schedule...but NOT a Top10 schedule. The only time that was actively pursued was under the Wadsworth folks. That did not go well.

You may disagree, but I think that by having a legendary program we have no other choice than to continue by scheduling the best.

We became legendary without doing it. I don't see why we need to suddenly change now.

People like to Argue that a hard SOS schedules you out of contention for the national title. Wrong! It forces your team to play better.

All teams strive to be the best. The harder your schedule the worse off you will do. I am not saying we need patsies, I am saying that we don't need to change 120 years of Notre Dame football and start scheduling the toughest schedule around.

Yes, it IS harder to get there. Yes, the road will not be easy. Yes, we won't make it there every year. Yes, it may be one in 5, 10, or even 15 years. But, you know what? It has been 20 years since our last NC. So, 1 NC every ten years isn't bad. And, having to play hard for it only makes ND look better than all the rest.

1 every 10? Are you smoking crack? Seriously...

We NEVER one them 1 in 10 years...and now you want to make the schedule harder than when we won one every 11 years.

So under your math, if we take an already hard schedule which LIMITS US to one title every eleven years and then we make the schedule HARDER we will win more games?

Seriously, I don't know what you are smoking but it must be good shit.

Maybe this gives you a little more enlightenment about where I am coming from and where I would like to see them go.

I agree you are a dreamer. But in no way do I or most ND fans think we need to piss on 120 years of ND football tradition and start scheduling Top10 schedules every year so we will schedule ourselves out of ever winning a title...or maybe only winning one every 30 years.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

You didn't present one intelligent argument. Basically all you did was take snippets of paragraphs and say, "No, your wrong!"

I'm not conceding the point, I'm moving the discussion to Jason Pham's scheduling forum.

 

[Irish52]

It's a matter of class and lintegrity.

It's a matter of class and lintegrity.

To be recognized as the best, you must play the best. Even though Fl. won the national championship, the only recognition they got in the South was from Florida students and alumni..everyone else thought their patsy schedule the first few games led to Tebow winning the Heisman and their championship. WE SHOULD PLAY THE BEST TEAMS IN THE NATION..WIN OR LOSE.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

To be recognized as the best, you must play the best. Even though Fl. won the national championship, the only recognition they got in the South was from Florida students and alumni..everyone else thought their patsy schedule the first few games led to Tebow winning the Heisman and their championship. WE SHOULD PLAY THE BEST TEAMS IN THE NATION..WIN OR LOSE.

Seems like its you and me vs. the rest of the ND nation. It an up hill battle. And I fight it all the time.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Seems like its you and me vs. the rest of the ND nation. It an up hill battle. And I fight it all the time.

That's because you are trying to change the program...you want it to be something it's not and never was.

 

[irishmarine]

golden... theres an old marine corps saying that says, "we're not retreating, we are attacking in a different direction." thought that might help your lonely battle

 

[IrishGrizz]

Retrograde operations, otherwise known as "Advancing to the rear"