ND vs Utah deal close

[Freeman Ara]

Teams with 2 losses play in the NC game these days. And if you look, the teams that play in those NC games lost to other great teams. See, the problem with the BCS system is you never really know who the BEST is. Because the NC's rarely play all of the good teams that year. You have a bunch of coaches, and a bunch of "football experts" sit in a room and decide, over numbers, not games, who the good teams are. Then a BCS formula, which changes almost yearly takes it form there and decides who the best teams are, and then they play for the NC. Thats BS, it's not ND's fault, but imagine a year where ND wins the NC, but they played 6 or 7 top 15 schools. Say they even lost one. You think anyone is going to say there was a better team in the nation? Even bring up the notion that even though ND played and beat the best, that there is another team out there that was better? Doubt it. But what about the team that beat them? By the BCS formula, its probably going to be a rematch for the NC.
I like the idea of shutting peoples mouths on the field. Don't leave any room for speculation. Expect a win every game, but if they lose, at least I know they lost to a hell of a team. Not just some mid tier wanna be team tryin to play big teams so they look good. Call me an elitist, but ND is not a spring board for other teams. We play the best, because we are the best. Thats how it should be.

Now I m ght be wrong but I believe that LSU was the first team in the BCS era to play for the National Titlewith two losses. And bot those losses came to average teams. Kentucky and Arkansas who were both 8-5 and combined for less then a .500 winning percentage inside the SEC. So I wouldn't say that they lost to great teams.
I am not really sure why people are complaing about our schedule. If USC and Michigan have good years we have two top quality teams and if we have a third team step up and win 8-9 games in any given year then we have a pretty good resume if we go undefeated. We don't play Div.-II teams, which we never should, so that right there puts us ahead of many of the big time college programs out there. I think our schedule is fine the way it is. Remember we played 10 bowl teams last year. How much harder do you want the schedule to get?

 

[irishmarine]

yeah i forgot that we did play that many bowl teams last year. in any year you could play a hard schedule or an easy one but you dont know until the end of the year hoe good the teams were that you played. everything is based off of last year

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Teams with 2 losses play in the NC game these days. And if you look, the teams that play in those NC games lost to other great teams.

It has happened ONCE. And even then it was really a fluke.

You have a bunch of coaches, and a bunch of "football experts" sit in a room and decide, over numbers, not games, who the good teams are. Then a BCS formula, which changes almost yearly takes it form there and decides who the best teams are, and then they play for the NC. Thats BS, it's not ND's fault, but imagine a year where ND wins the NC, but they played 6 or 7 top 15 schools. Say they even lost one. You think anyone is going to say there was a better team in the nation? .

If ND played 6 or 7 top15 schools ND would lose two at least. ANY school would no matter how good they are.

Look at the champs since 1989:
HickokSports.com - History - College Football National Champions

How many do you see with more than 1 loss? - 1
How many do you see with 1 loss? - 7
How many with NONE? - 15

In 19 years there have been only 8 teams with 1 loss or more named Champs.

Your idea would doom us to NEVER winning a Championship again. Ever.

Call me an elitist, but ND is not a spring board for other teams. We play the best, because we are the best. Thats how it should be.

You are not an elitist. You are a dreamer. There's a difference. ND has never been the best by playing only the best. And only playing the best will doom you to never being called the best...because your team will lose 2 games a year in the best of years and maybe once in a while will only lose 1 game.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

It has happened ONCE. And even then it was really a fluke.



If ND played 6 or 7 top15 schools ND would lose two at least. ANY school would no matter how good they are.

Look at the champs since 1989:
HickokSports.com - History - College Football National Champions

How many do you see with more than 1 loss? - 1
How many do you see with 1 loss? - 7
How many with NONE? - 15

In 19 years there have been only 8 teams with 1 loss or more named Champs.

Your idea would doom us to NEVER winning a Championship again. Ever.



You are not an elitist. You are a dreamer. There's a difference. ND has never been the best by playing only the best. And only playing the best will doom you to never being called the best...because your team will lose 2 games a year in the best of years and maybe once in a while will only lose 1 game.

So then are you saying that ONLY an undefeated season is a successful season? 1 to 2 losses is still 10 + win season. Thats what most people are hoping for. I mean, up until 88 we won a NC ever 11 years or so. I'm not saying this schedule will get us a NC every year, but I think once in ten years. And like someone said, LSU was the first 2 loss team to go and play. The BCS has been around for 10 yrs. I think a 2 loss ND, of all teams ND, playing a really friggin hard schedule can win a NC every 10 years.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

So then are you saying that ONLY an undefeated season is a successful season? 1 to 2 losses is still 10 + win season. Thats what most people are hoping for. I mean, up until 88 we won a NC ever 11 years or so. I'm not saying this schedule will get us a NC every year, but I think once in ten years. And like someone said, LSU was the first 2 loss team to go and play. The BCS has been around for 10 yrs. I think a 2 loss ND, of all teams ND, playing a really friggin hard schedule can win a NC every 10 years.

I am saying that if you create a schedule that will prevent ND from ever going undefeated you are simply assuring we will never get to play for a National Title.

You would create a schedule harder than any we have ever faced...and yet BEFORE the 1990's with MUCH EASIER SCHEDULES we were not able to win a National Title every 10 years...and you would take our schedule and make it HARDER???

Come on dude. We would never win a title ever again. If Rockne, Leahy, and Ara could not do it, then who could?

 

[GoldenDomer21]

I like to think that if you have a good team then you have a good team and playing more of the other good teams doesn't break your chances of making it to the title game. It just shuts up every one else.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I like to think that if you have a good team then you have a good team and playing more of the other good teams doesn't break your chances of making it to the title game. It just shuts up every one else.

It increases your chances of losing many times over, that's what it does. And it puts teams like tOSU in the NC two years running.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

Every game is an equal chance to lose. Thats mathematically true. If you don't think so, look at 93, beat number one, then lost to BC. Had we lost to another top team we'd have had the NC that year. That was the debate, we got beat by a so so team. So they gave it to FSU.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Every game is an equal chance to lose. Thats mathematically true. If you don't think so, look at 93, beat number one, then lost to BC. Had we lost to another top team we'd have had the NC that year. That was the debate, we got beat by a so so team. So they gave it to FSU.

BC was ranked that year.

The tougher your schedule, the higher chance of losing you have.

ND has been successful over the last 120 years, I don't see that your MEGA-change would be a good idea. I know it would have prevented us from winning most of our previous National Titles.

 

[odeezynd]

why not

why not

If ND is and has played NC, DUKE, Air Force, SDSU, and so on, then why not Utah.

I would prefer to keep the BYU vs. ND games going, but Utah might be a nice change. I live in Utah and I haven't been able to make it to south bend yet, so to get the chance to see ND play would be great. I remember back in 04 when ND game to Provo to play BYU. I couldn't believe how many ND fans were there, it was a great sight to see.

Utah and BYU could compete in most BCS conferences so again I say why not.

 

[Irishlew]

let's get us some Mormons.



Te'o *cough*

 

[odeezynd]

let's get us some Mormons.



Te'o *cough*

You got one right here

 

[coachjohnson]

odeezynd, your right, it helps people get to the Irish in person when they schedule teams like Utah. ND has a nationwide following so anywhere they play you will see a large amount of ND fans at every venue you go to. I will be going to Chapel Hill this year to watch the Irish play this, and for any of you that may go let me warn you, UNC fans are the worst. I'm dreading that part of it like a sore tooth. I have a friend that went the year they somehow beat Miami and he said they were in his grill from the stadium til he got to his car. He had seats in the pressbox and he wore his Miami jersey, needless to say he embarrassed the crap out his wife, I don't like Miami but I thought that was pretty good. I couldn't imagine the looks he was getting in the pressbox with the opponents jersey on.

 

[irishmarine]

they really are terrible. i went down b/c my cousin goes there for a terps basketball game and holy cow. these 5'3 guys were talking so much trash . im 6'4 and they really wanted to try to fight.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

No. Utah is in the middle of nowhere when it comes to the Irish. How many fans can there be in the greater Utah, Nevada, and Wyoming region? 10, 15 maybe? What does it do for recruiting? Not much. What does it do for anything? Nope, no Utah for me. Pick another team. One that matters in a region we care about. Play a game in Texas. There are three teams there. UT, A&M, and Tech. All teams that are as good or better than Utah, in an area that we'd like to have some recruiting power.

 

[irishmarine]

well im in las vegas but that really doenst help the school much

 

[IrishGrizz]

I'd like to see Texas or Oklahoma every year, then an Arizona or Cali/Oregon game to better spread the word.

 

[GoldenDomer21]

Texas would be a great team to play. I'd like to get two games in that state and schedule A&M also. I like that it is a big hotbed of producing football players. I lived there for a while and football can be considered a religion from August to December. I'm just not a fan of Utah. I don't see what playing them does for the Irish. Someone answer me that question. What does Utah do for Notre Dame?