Question: do you think Weis is living the dream?

[solo]

He has a 7 figure salary. He's head coach of his alma mater. Does he look like someone to you that is in his dream job?

Honestly, I don't think so. I think his dream job is coach of the NYG or some other NFL team. And I think this will be his downfall. He can work long hours, he can recruit until the cows come home and he can scheme with the best of them. But you can't fake passion and you can't force it either.

I want a coach who has always dreamed of being the HC at ND, not someone who takes the job because his dream job didn't present itself.

 

[NDOM]

Hmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmm. ???????????

 

[daytonirish]

I can't agree with that solo. If he had wanted out he could have left after his first yr.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

He has a 7 figure salary. He's head coach of his alma mater. Does he look like someone to you that is in his dream job?

Honestly, I don't think so. I think his dream job is coach of the NYG or some other NFL team. And I think this will be his downfall. He can work long hours, he can recruit until the cows come home and he can scheme with the best of them. But you can't fake passion and you can't force it either.

I want a coach who has always dreamed of being the HC at ND, not someone who takes the job because his dream job didn't present itself.

Most of your threads have been negative. Why is that? Most ND fans (and I'm guessing alumni) would feel that ND IS the dream job. What are you smoking?

 

[solo]

I can't agree with that solo. If he had wanted out he could have left after his first yr.

What are you talking about? 7 games into his 6 year contract they signed a 10 year deal with him. How coudl he have left?

Also, did he have any offers? It was released that there were NFL rumors. Kooch claims Weis had an offer from the Saints. I somewhat believe it. But neither weis nor ND has amditted that Weis had other options.

How could he have left?

 

[NDOM]

What are you talking about? 7 games into his 6 year contract they signed a 10 year deal with him. How coudl he have left?

Also, did he have any offers? It was released that there were NFL rumors. Kooch claims Weis had an offer from the Saints. I somewhat believe it. But neither weis nor ND has amditted that Weis had other options.

How could he have left?

Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmm. Hmmmmmm. Never thought about that. That IS a good point. But, I like Weis and I think this is where he wants to be and I'm not giving up on him yet. I think him (Weis) and Notre Dame is going to be someone to fear in the near future.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I think CW has made it very clear that he intends to fulfill his contract. Suggesting anything to the contrary is purely speculative (ya think), and bordering being inflammatory.

 

[solo]

Most of your threads have been negative. Why is that? Most ND fans (and I'm guessing alumni) would feel that ND IS the dream job. What are you smoking?

My posts are negative because the majority oif coaches at ND since I have been a fan have been awful.

I lived in South Bend for the Faust years...he was horrible
Holtz was great.
Davie was awful
Tyrone was one of the worst in ND history
Now Weis is breaking all kinds of negtaive records.

Can you see why I might be a little skeptical?

Then info comes out that Weis leveraged an offer from the Saints to secure his current deal. If that's true, then I have zero respect for him.

Now, why would ND not be the dream job? We had to settle for Tyrone. Can you believe that nobody better wanted the job when tyrone was hired? Then we missed on Meyer and had to pursue our backup candidate. Obviously, this is not the coveted job it once was.

As for it not being Weis' dream job? He just doesn't look happy. Do happy people living the dream go and sue their doctor for malpractice? Don't happy people tend to look and act happy? He has zero passion in his press conferences.

For lots of reasons I just don't see Weis pulling a Frank Beamer or Joe Paterno. If he makes it the length of his contract (and that is far from a given), I see him pursuing challenges at the next level. That's just my read, not based on fact.

 

[solo]

I think CW has made it very clear that he intends to fulfill his contract. Suggesting anything to the contrary is purely speculative (ya think), and bordering being inflammatory.

I'm not a Weis fan and I truly believe he will never be a great coach at this level. I think we've already seen his best. But I do believe that he is setting the next guy up nicely.

Now, inflammatory? Is Weis untouchable? If you don't like him are you required not to say so? I did clearly state that this was opinion and not based on fact. I'm not trying to start a riot here, just wanting to have soe interesting discussion.

 

[Junkhead]

I'd like to think that it is his dream job, but his personality and dry sense of humor make it difficult to get a true read on him. In addition, hopefully his persona with the players is more "fiery" and less matter of fact.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I'm not a Weis fan and I truly believe he will never be a great coach at this level. I think we've already seen his best. But I do believe that he is setting the next guy up nicely.

Now, inflammatory? Is Weis untouchable? If you don't like him are you required not to say so? I did clearly state that this was opinion and not based on fact. I'm not trying to start a riot here, just wanting to have soe interesting discussion.

I don't believe it's about whether CW is 'untouchable', but the premise of the thread is the question. There has been serious debate everywhere about CW, his coaches, the players, fans, etc. What I'm wondering, is why it's necessary to talk about whether it's his dream job? Ya think someone (who's already wealthy), would leave the NFL to coach at a college so that one day he can return to the NFL and coach? After signing a 10 yr deal??

If CW isn't at his dream job, then he would be a fool. I've not heard anyone suggest that. Making more sense now?

 

[NDOM]

I don't believe it's about whether CW is 'untouchable', but the premise of the thread is the question. There has been serious debate everywhere about CW, his coaches, the players, fans, etc. What I'm wondering, is why it's necessary to talk about whether it's his dream job? Ya think someone (who's already wealthy), would leave the NFL to coach at a college so that one day he can return to the NFL and coach? After signing a 10 yr deal??

If CW isn't at his dream job, then he would be a fool. I've not heard anyone suggest that. Making more sense now?

Yes sir!! Very nice. Reps to you from me!

 

[gallup21]

I'm not a Weis fan and I truly believe he will never be a great coach at this level. I think we've already seen his best. But I do believe that he is setting the next guy up nicely.

Now, inflammatory? Is Weis untouchable? If you don't like him are you required not to say so? I did clearly state that this was opinion and not based on fact. I'm not trying to start a riot here, just wanting to have soe interesting discussion.

Well, just for the record I am a Weis backer and i agree, everyones entitled to their opinion but i think give him a little bit and he'll create magic. Incase somepeople didnt see Quinn's completion percentage go up about 15% between 2004 and 2005, thats called magic

 

[quiksilver253]

Personally, I believe he is. During one of the broadcast on NBC last year, they did a story on him and Hannah. They showed his house and the special facilities he has for her. He has a house that's perfect for his disabled daughter, a job which will get his son into college no matter what and also he still has the ability to spend time with his family. I truely believe it doesnt get better than that for charlie weiss.

 

[Junkhead]

Incase somepeople didnt see Quinn's completion percentage go up about 15% between 2004 and 2005, thats called magic

It's also called experience. His YPA (yards per attempt) was 7.33 in 2004, and 7.34 in 2006. Also his completion % went up "only" 10.8% from 2004 to 2005. It dropped three points in 2006. Last year (2006) was when I thought Weis began to sometimes "out-think" himself. Quinn stats show some of that. Weis had a large part in Quinn's development, but also sometimes stagnated the offense with predictable play-calling (even in 2006). I'd be thrilled if he turns ND into a perennial NC contender, but right now I'm on the fence. Next year will tell the tale.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

If we're talking BQ now, keep in mind, opposing coaches knew about CW's tendencies, and that his two WR were big play guys. We weren't surprising anyone, anymore.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I don't believe it's about whether CW is 'untouchable', but the premise of the thread is the question. There has been serious debate everywhere about CW, his coaches, the players, fans, etc. What I'm wondering, is why it's necessary to talk about whether it's his dream job? Ya think someone (who's already wealthy), would leave the NFL to coach at a college so that one day he can return to the NFL and coach? After signing a 10 yr deal??

If CW isn't at his dream job, then he would be a fool. I've not heard anyone suggest that. Making more sense now?

Best post I've seen on this topic yet. MEGA REPS BROTHER!!!

God I hate the friggin' off season...

 

[piyachi]

He said that he is here until his son graduates or they fire him.

Let's see:

1 - His alma mater
2 - Most prestigious job in college football
3 - First opportunity (and hopefully last) to be a head coach
4 - Affords him the opportunity to do his charity work

I don't think the question is inflammatory, but I do think it's almost rhetorical. The thing about the 'leveraging' is stupid - does Weis really seem like a bullshitter to you? This isn't Saban we are talking about here.

Do you come in at 4 in the morning to do a job you don't love?

 

[johnnd05]

Right on, piyachi. Reps.

 

[NDgrandson]

Most of your threads have been negative. Why is that? Most ND fans (and I'm guessing alumni) would feel that ND IS the dream job. What are you smoking?

While I am not here at IE everyday, I use to be on uhnd all the time before checking out for greener, blue'er and gold'er (didn't look right) pastures. Solo is a ND fan and will torture the rest of us to no end. I read a lot of his posts there. He knows his stuff and will walk the fine line between realist and flamer. If he posts a lot on here (looks like he already has) you will end up wanting ND to win the NC even more just to shut him up. Maybe you can buy his silence with reps?

 

[Timugen]

"I'm staying here until they fire me or I die. I'm staying here for life."
-Charlie Weis, Oct 18? 2006

Though he may be a bit off on the second sentence (depending on how he rebounds next year,) I would think that it would be fair to say that the first part of his statement pretty much puts this debate to rest.

He may not be a balls-for-brains, slam your head into a brick wall type like Les Miles, but that's just who he is. He is not a coach that relies on head-butts and such to "coach up" his players (maybe he should,) but this should not be mistaken for a lack of passion.

Again, "I'm staying here until they fire me or I die."

If this isn't his dream job, then based on that statement he is either:

1. A deceitful liar
2. An escapee from a mental institution,

or

3. Nick Saban in a fat-man suit.

 

[solo]

"I'm staying here until they fire me or I die. I'm staying here for life."
-Charlie Weis, Oct 18? 2006

Though he may be a bit off on the second sentence (depending on how he rebounds next year,) I would think that it would be fair to say that the first part of his statement pretty much puts this debate to rest.

He may not be a balls-for-brains, slam your head into a brick wall type like Les Miles, but that's just who he is. He is not a coach that relies on head-butts and such to "coach up" his players (maybe he should,) but this should not be mistaken for a lack of passion.

Again, "I'm staying here until they fire me or I die."

If this isn't his dream job, then based on that statement he is either:

1. A deceitful liar
2. An escapee from a mental institution,

or

3. Nick Saban in a fat-man suit.

So you are saying that if Weis says it, then it is true?

So when Weis signed a 6 year contract and said that there was no place he'd rather be, why extend his contract? If his word was his word then their was no need to extend, right? Could he REALLY not recruit with 5 years left on a 6 year deal? That is BS and we all know it. There is more to the extension than is being said. Maybe what Kooch said is true, maybe not. But coaches don't get 10 year contracts for going 5-2 just to quelch rumors and aid in recrutiing. If you believe that, then I would say that you are being naieve.

So everything Weis says is true? Weis also promised us a nasty team. Is he delivering? Weis told recruits thaty they would have a decided schematic advantage in every game. Is that true or false?

Every coach when hired stands up and talks about being their forever, beating the arch rival, and winning championships. It's what you do when you are a head coach. But just because Weis said it, that doesn't make it gospel.

Weis is just as much a BS-er as anyone else. He also has many solid, endearing qualities too. But if your argument is that "because Weis said it, it is true", I'd tell you that actions speak louder than words.

 

[daytonirish]

My point was that if this was not his dream job. Why would he sign a 10 yr contract ext. when their were reports that nfl teams were looking at him? Maybe those reports were wrong. But if he truely wanted to use N.D. as a spring board he would not have signed an ext. so soon into his tenure at N.D.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

The answer to the thread question is YES.