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According to this link, they have 5 returning starters on defense, this year. That's hardly losing "almost their entire defense."
Scout.com: 2007 Ohio State Preview - Depth Chart
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According to this link, they have 5 returning starters on defense, this year. That's hardly losing "almost their entire defense."
Scout.com: 2007 Ohio State Preview - Depth Chart
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CW MUST go. We need a Coach who knows how to recruit, build a program, and call the right plays,( like calling to pass instead of kick a 28 yard winning field goal with 28 seconds to go??)..........Our alumini will not support this. Charlie should be history at ND....
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Like we have faith in the Alumni making a wise decision.
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Coreect me if im wrong but hasnt Notre Dame had top 10 recruiting classes the past 2 years???? I am finding it hard to believe that this "you know what" storm has been purely athletic inferiority???? This is the biggest embarrassment in div 1 college football, along with Nebraska, that I have ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, eeeevvvveeerrr seen!!!!!
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So what do we do about it? Throw a coach overboard who brings in the best recruiting class? CW has made mistakes and acknowledges it. In the old days, coaches weren't shown the door after one horrible season, especially after having two pretty good ones.
I think we need to exercise some patience. If strong improvement does not occur next year, or God forbid in two years, I don't see how anyone would argue with canning Weis.
I think we need to exercise some patience. If strong improvement does not occur next year, or God forbid in two years, I don't see how anyone would argue with canning Weis.
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See thats where I disagree. CW seems as he doesnt acknowledge his mistakes. He seems to disregard tradition. Did u see his comments after the lose to Navy, he seemed to not care about how Notre dame football is held in such high regards around the counrty and at campus. tradition didnt seem to mean much at all and his demeaner was pathetic. I for one was embarressed.
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The talk of firing Weis is nothing more than angry fan fodder from people that have no faith in this program's ability to bounce back from one horrible season.
As a Browns fan, I went through the same exact thing with the fans in Cleveland and Romeo Crennel.
I heard the same exact quotes; "it's not the losing, it's the WAY he's losing...." that was a popular one. "I have no faith in his decision making" was another one you heard a lot. All the same things we hear about Weis right now.
But Cleveland is now 5-3 and 2 of their three losses came to powerhouse AFC teams (Steelers and Patriots) so they are being considered one of, if not the, most improved teams in the league this year.
It's kind of funny, but all those same people that were calling for Crennel's head are now praising the guy.
As a Browns fan, I went through the same exact thing with the fans in Cleveland and Romeo Crennel.
I heard the same exact quotes; "it's not the losing, it's the WAY he's losing...." that was a popular one. "I have no faith in his decision making" was another one you heard a lot. All the same things we hear about Weis right now.
But Cleveland is now 5-3 and 2 of their three losses came to powerhouse AFC teams (Steelers and Patriots) so they are being considered one of, if not the, most improved teams in the league this year.
It's kind of funny, but all those same people that were calling for Crennel's head are now praising the guy.
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Its not about firing him for haveing a bad season but his attitude toward the tradition after these losses is whats mind boggeling... I can appreciate the silver lining at the end of this nightmarish season, (recruiting!) but the way he reacts to the losses, about not being concerned about tradition, (navy) etc. I would rather have a coach that cares enough about the institution that is signing his hefty paychecks than one who just seems to act like its ok to sweep under the rug
The difference is that RAC was playing with a bunch of dregs and now has himself some players ....[NAME REDACTED] isn't playing with throw-aways.
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Ahh, what a great initial trio of posts. [/sarcasm]
If you don't think that Weis cares about ND, you've got another thing coming ...
Ok... this is just wrong. Charlie is the one that started the (hopefully) tradition of going over to watch Navy sing their alma mater, and they do the same. Other than Lou, Charlie 'gets' ND more than any coach we have had for a while. He says that it's the same as any other loss because he is a professional and it is his job to prepare the team to win each game independent of any distracting factors. Of course it different than something like a loss to Purdon't but hey why would he say - oh well this was a special loss since we like and respect the guys we are playing?
What you are saying simply makes no sense.
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Wait, I must be missing the lack of respect for tradition. What exactly are you referring to? As I see it Charlie brought back singing after the games and has brought back tons of former players at the pep rallys and to talk to the teams. What is he doing that defies ND tradtion?
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you don't think the losses are having any affect on Weis? give me a break dude, did you hear the way he answered those questions? you don't hear it in his voice when he talks? The guy is ND through and through and the losses are affecting him more than they are affecting us. What the hell do you expect him to say? A head coach can't show panic, or his team will play with panic and that isn't going to help the situation either. Do you see him in the locker room? Not concerned with tradition either? and those hefty paychecks your talking about, ND paid a higher salary last year to Ty than it did to Weis. Look it up.
I guarantee you that if the rich snobby trustee's and alumni got their way and had Weis fired after this year, you'll see this program sink even lower (yes, it can go lower) and it will go into a death spin. Say good bye to the #1 class, say good bye to quite a few of the freshman and sophomores and good luck getting a coach worth a shit to look at your school after you just fired your last two coach's after only 3 years and showing that you will show no patience and willing to give a person time to turn it around.
Weis understands what ND is all about more than you and/or I would ever know. He is a graduate of ND and was there during some of its "glory years". My suggestion to you and to all of the snobby ass trustees and/or alumni calling for his head this year is to quit living in the past and live in the NOW.
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I'm betting that he is referring to Weis' comments, when some reporter asked him how he felt about being part of ND's storied history for the wrong reasons(the coach who lost the 43 year streak). Weis said, as far as he was concerned, "we lost to Navy today." He said he wasn't worried about snapping the streak, that they lost a 3 overtime game to a Navy team that played very well.
You see, the newb is reacting emotionally, something a coach doesn't have the luxury of doing in front of the cameras. What is he supposed to say, "Well, shucks, I guess we suck."? No matter who true you may think that statement is, there is no way Weis is going to say that to the media.
irishrespect..............you're angry. Honor one of the great traditions of Notre Dame, yourself, and use your brain to think logically about it, instead of behaving like a moody female. (No offense to any of our own moody females on the board)
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Navy played Duke on Sept. 22nd and came from two touchdowns behind in the fourth quarter to win 46 to 43. Not exactly a stomp.
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This is just false. Try watching a press conference, or even reading one. Other people have commented on your other fallacies, many on tradition, but this one is just as false. CW said in a press conference that the number of mistakes he has made is too long to list. And I, for one, find it encouraging that he knows about it and acknowledges it. I just hope he can fix it.
Please point to one instance where he didn't put himself forward first and foremost as the most culpable of offenders. You won't find one.
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Your right he can't.
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Kjones is right, this is getting crazy with all the false complaints and just making stuff up to bash our team and our coach. Sure, things really suck right now and its rough to keep your head up with this team, but honestly what did you guys really think was going to happen this year? 8-4?? Come on, if you really think about it, those are some pretty lofty expectations with so many unknowns going into the season.
Things have not worked out well at all this year and I think it has just snowballed from our rough start against some pretty good competition. Our first five games were against much better teams who already had expierence on their side and the beatings from them have seemed to linger with some of our players. But you guys really need to calm down. There is no kool-aid here, no homerism, just a realistic view of what is going on. You can't argue that we are a young team with young guys in some very vital roles, that will effect any team.
For those of you who want to blame Weis for all of this go right ahead, but you can't bank the whole season on him. Its true, he has never been a head coach at the college level before and most likely didn't really know what to fully expect coming into this season. In the NFL you can reload with expierenced talent, bring guys in and just get them acclimated to your system...there is a reason most rookie QBs sit out a year or two and thats because they are not ready for the change to the NFL, so why do you all believe that high school kids should just be able to step in and go 8-4?? Charlie isn't used to having to bring these kids along like the way he has had to this year. When he came to ND Brady and Co. already had plenty of playing expierence, all Weis had to do was impliment his system and there you go, two BCS appearances. And don't claim that Zook has put Charlie to shame. If I remember correctly Illinois was 1-11 last year, but this year, with the guys had playing last year things are looking better. So give Charlie a break, lets see what next year looks like after these guys have had a year under their belt.
I can't believe how hostile this board has become and all the rediculous posts I read on here. I always thought Red Sox fans were the most pesimistic and unrealisticly blind fans there were but this year has really proven me wrong. Let ESPN and the rest of the bonehead media blow this season way out of proportion, but don't buy into their trash that they feed us. I don't think Charlie's first two years here were just pure luck, and you can't say that it was the players, because honestly the talent level was not that of USC or LSU.
You can all jump off the ND bandwagon if you want, but just remember, next year when we show significant progress and begin our upward move you made your jump and will just look like a fool when you try to get back onboard.
Things have not worked out well at all this year and I think it has just snowballed from our rough start against some pretty good competition. Our first five games were against much better teams who already had expierence on their side and the beatings from them have seemed to linger with some of our players. But you guys really need to calm down. There is no kool-aid here, no homerism, just a realistic view of what is going on. You can't argue that we are a young team with young guys in some very vital roles, that will effect any team.
For those of you who want to blame Weis for all of this go right ahead, but you can't bank the whole season on him. Its true, he has never been a head coach at the college level before and most likely didn't really know what to fully expect coming into this season. In the NFL you can reload with expierenced talent, bring guys in and just get them acclimated to your system...there is a reason most rookie QBs sit out a year or two and thats because they are not ready for the change to the NFL, so why do you all believe that high school kids should just be able to step in and go 8-4?? Charlie isn't used to having to bring these kids along like the way he has had to this year. When he came to ND Brady and Co. already had plenty of playing expierence, all Weis had to do was impliment his system and there you go, two BCS appearances. And don't claim that Zook has put Charlie to shame. If I remember correctly Illinois was 1-11 last year, but this year, with the guys had playing last year things are looking better. So give Charlie a break, lets see what next year looks like after these guys have had a year under their belt.
I can't believe how hostile this board has become and all the rediculous posts I read on here. I always thought Red Sox fans were the most pesimistic and unrealisticly blind fans there were but this year has really proven me wrong. Let ESPN and the rest of the bonehead media blow this season way out of proportion, but don't buy into their trash that they feed us. I don't think Charlie's first two years here were just pure luck, and you can't say that it was the players, because honestly the talent level was not that of USC or LSU.
You can all jump off the ND bandwagon if you want, but just remember, next year when we show significant progress and begin our upward move you made your jump and will just look like a fool when you try to get back onboard.
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Good post.
I'm done getting mad. Last week against Navy was my bottoming out. This week it doesn't feel that bad. I'm ride or die ND. We stink this year. We'll come back next year. I'm just looking at how our young guys progress...
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We are pesimistic and unrealisticly blind Newc, more than anyone. The Nation will refuse to take a back seat to any group of fans!!! Take it back Newc, take it back...
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100 reasons why I love Charlie Weis and am glad he's our coach
100 reasons why I love Charlie Weis and am glad he's our coach
(Via the Roundup.)
With his team at 1-9 and its offense mired in the pits of Division I-A, <strong>Charlie Weis</strong> has taken a lot of much-deserved (and <a href="http://www.wfan.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=1122379" target="_blank">some undeserved</a>) flack for the job he's been doing as head coach of the Fighting Irish. And since I've been <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/on-being-in-denial" target="_blank">about as negative as anyone</a> - well, <a href="http://www.ndkgreen.com/2007/11/that-was-amazing-baxter-im-not-even.html" target="_blank">maybe not quite ANYONE</a> - about Weis, I think it's time for me to come clean and make it known that my opinion of him is by no means exhaustively negative. Hence here are 100 reasons why I love Charlie Weis and am glad he's our coach:
1. <em>He's a Jersey guy.</em> Me too, or at least I was until I moved to California. And Jersey guys stick with Jersey guys.
2. <em>He's a Notre Dame alum.</em> Again, me too, though I only got a lousy graduate degree. And if I love the place this much never having lived on campus for an extended period of time or gone through all the rest of the crazy brain-washing (an ND logo stamped into the middle of your WAFFLES?!), think of how much he cares about it.
3. <em>He's a family man.</em> Seeing the way he relates to his wife, son, and daughter is really heartwarming. And say what you will about having <strong>Charlie Jr.</strong> on the sidelines: the fact is that it shows a level of attachment and devotion to his son that's remarkable in a guy who works 20-hour days.
4. <em>He works like all hell.</em> Want to catch Coach Weis on his way to work in the morning? Try tripping past the Gug on your way back from closing down the 'Backer. In any case, be flexible with your definition of "morning," and DEFINITELY don't wait for the sun to rise.
5. <em>He's as pained by the losing as anyone</em>. Do not - I repeat, do NOT - mistake his occasional press-conference brashness for a lack of awareness of how bad things have been this year, let alone a carefree attitude about it. If your team got its butt hammered in, you got booed, and then you were dragged in front of an audience of overeager reporters with lots of dumb questions, you'd get pretty pissy as well. And hey, what do you want him to say? "We suck, we have sucked, we will suck, and I quit"? Yeah, I didn't think so.
6. <em>He gives back.</em> Lots of ND football coaches have started charitable organizations after they've retired, but Hannah and Friends has been running from day one. And a lot of Weis's efforts have been tied directly to the local community, which is admirable given the touchy history of town-gown relations between South Bend and the university. Even his lawsuit, which I must admit wasn't my favorite decision (you know, high cost of medical services due to malpractice insurance, lawyers = scum of the Earth, etc.), was going to be used to help others rather than pad his own pockets.
7. <em>He cares about his players</em>. Weis got a lot of praise for driving <strong>Robert Hughes</strong> back to Chicago after his brother was killed, and rightly so. But the fact of the matter is that this fits right into a much more overarching pattern: sure, he manages to anger or even alienate some of his players, but at the end of the day they know it's just because he's trying to push them to do well, like an overbearing dad making his kid practice the piano because he really, really, REALLY wants him to be good at it. Peel away those layers, my friends, and you'll find love at the core.
8-26. <em>Nineteen wins in two years</em>. Say what you will about '06 having been a disappointing campaign, but ten wins is ten wins. Say what you will about the quality of the opponents he beat, but you can only win the games you play (and it's not as if Michigan, Tennessee, Georgia Tech, Penn State, and UCLA are a bunch of nobodies). Say what you will about losing the "big games," but he's run into some downright juggernauts, especially in the postseason. If those teams had had any semblance of a D-I defense, not to mention better offensive lines and maybe some more talent at the tailback position, they very well might have won a pair of national titles. After the misery of the decade or so that preceded '05-'06, those wins were glorious to behold.
27-30. <em>Four Super Bowl rings</em>. Yeah, I know he wasn't the head coach, and I know he was able to ride the coattails of <strong>Parcells</strong>, <strong>Belichick</strong>, et al, but championships are championships, and I'll take a guy who's won them over a guy who hasn't.
31-98. <strong><em>Jimmy Clausen</em></strong><em>, <strong>Armando Allen</strong>, <strong>James Aldridge</strong>, <strong>Duval Kamara</strong>, <strong>Omar Hunter</strong>, <strong>Kerry Neal</strong>, ... well, you get the point.</em> That's 68 recruits in three years, with a bunch more on the '08 "big board" who still have lots of interest in the Irish. Compare that to his illustrious predecessor, who recruited a total of 52 in his three seasons: barely more than Weis & Co. brought in through their first TWO. It's not just about the rankings, either: you can't win with an empty cupboard, and trust me, Ty left it BARE.
99. <em>His players believe in him</em>. Make no mistake about it: you don't have top-notch recruits with offers from everywhere breaking down the doors to play for you the week after being present for a 38-0 spanking if you've "lost the team." Nor do insomniac offensive linemen <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/pleasantly-surprised" target="_blank">pad over to your office in rainbow flip-flops and knock on your door at 5:30am to ask how to be a better leader</a> unless they think that leading is a worthwhile endeavor. Sure, there may be some players, especially among the upper classes, who've sort of thrown in the towel, and there's no doubt that this team has often played tentatively and has had a tendency to get discouraged when things have gone wrong, but a lot of them seem genuinely excited about the future of the program. And that's a hell of an accomplishment when you're 1-9.
100. <em>The glimmers of hope</em>. Clausen dropping a beautiful pass over two defenders. Kamara stiff-arming an undersized defensive back and plowing through a pair of tacklers to pick up eight yards. Armando Allen bursting around the outside for a gain of eleven. James Aldridge running over a would-be tackler at the line of scrimmage. <strong>Golden Tate</strong> snagging a touchdown bomb, <a href="http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html#6906375208162749918" target="_blank">with his FINGERNAILS</a>. Kerry Neal and <strong>Brain Smith</strong> playing like men possessed on the outside. <strong>Darrin Walls</strong> looking more and more like a shut-down corner. <strong>Chris Stewart</strong> crushing defensive linemen to open up holes for his tailbacks. And on and on the list goes ... no doubt this year's team has been a HUGE disappointment, but the flashes we've seen (and yes, they've only been flashes, and have been few and far between) have made it clear that Weis and his staff have brought in some extraordinary talent. At this point it's about developing these kids and teaching them to win.
Of course, none of this counts as evidence that Weis will definitely, or even probably, be able to accomplish what he needs to in order to right this oh-so-sunken ship. But just as he's responsible for a big portion of the damage, it's also going to be his task to repair it, at least for the time being. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
100 reasons why I love Charlie Weis and am glad he's our coach
(Via the Roundup.)
With his team at 1-9 and its offense mired in the pits of Division I-A, <strong>Charlie Weis</strong> has taken a lot of much-deserved (and <a href="http://www.wfan.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=1122379" target="_blank">some undeserved</a>) flack for the job he's been doing as head coach of the Fighting Irish. And since I've been <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/on-being-in-denial" target="_blank">about as negative as anyone</a> - well, <a href="http://www.ndkgreen.com/2007/11/that-was-amazing-baxter-im-not-even.html" target="_blank">maybe not quite ANYONE</a> - about Weis, I think it's time for me to come clean and make it known that my opinion of him is by no means exhaustively negative. Hence here are 100 reasons why I love Charlie Weis and am glad he's our coach:
1. <em>He's a Jersey guy.</em> Me too, or at least I was until I moved to California. And Jersey guys stick with Jersey guys.
2. <em>He's a Notre Dame alum.</em> Again, me too, though I only got a lousy graduate degree. And if I love the place this much never having lived on campus for an extended period of time or gone through all the rest of the crazy brain-washing (an ND logo stamped into the middle of your WAFFLES?!), think of how much he cares about it.
3. <em>He's a family man.</em> Seeing the way he relates to his wife, son, and daughter is really heartwarming. And say what you will about having <strong>Charlie Jr.</strong> on the sidelines: the fact is that it shows a level of attachment and devotion to his son that's remarkable in a guy who works 20-hour days.
4. <em>He works like all hell.</em> Want to catch Coach Weis on his way to work in the morning? Try tripping past the Gug on your way back from closing down the 'Backer. In any case, be flexible with your definition of "morning," and DEFINITELY don't wait for the sun to rise.
5. <em>He's as pained by the losing as anyone</em>. Do not - I repeat, do NOT - mistake his occasional press-conference brashness for a lack of awareness of how bad things have been this year, let alone a carefree attitude about it. If your team got its butt hammered in, you got booed, and then you were dragged in front of an audience of overeager reporters with lots of dumb questions, you'd get pretty pissy as well. And hey, what do you want him to say? "We suck, we have sucked, we will suck, and I quit"? Yeah, I didn't think so.
6. <em>He gives back.</em> Lots of ND football coaches have started charitable organizations after they've retired, but Hannah and Friends has been running from day one. And a lot of Weis's efforts have been tied directly to the local community, which is admirable given the touchy history of town-gown relations between South Bend and the university. Even his lawsuit, which I must admit wasn't my favorite decision (you know, high cost of medical services due to malpractice insurance, lawyers = scum of the Earth, etc.), was going to be used to help others rather than pad his own pockets.
7. <em>He cares about his players</em>. Weis got a lot of praise for driving <strong>Robert Hughes</strong> back to Chicago after his brother was killed, and rightly so. But the fact of the matter is that this fits right into a much more overarching pattern: sure, he manages to anger or even alienate some of his players, but at the end of the day they know it's just because he's trying to push them to do well, like an overbearing dad making his kid practice the piano because he really, really, REALLY wants him to be good at it. Peel away those layers, my friends, and you'll find love at the core.
8-26. <em>Nineteen wins in two years</em>. Say what you will about '06 having been a disappointing campaign, but ten wins is ten wins. Say what you will about the quality of the opponents he beat, but you can only win the games you play (and it's not as if Michigan, Tennessee, Georgia Tech, Penn State, and UCLA are a bunch of nobodies). Say what you will about losing the "big games," but he's run into some downright juggernauts, especially in the postseason. If those teams had had any semblance of a D-I defense, not to mention better offensive lines and maybe some more talent at the tailback position, they very well might have won a pair of national titles. After the misery of the decade or so that preceded '05-'06, those wins were glorious to behold.
27-30. <em>Four Super Bowl rings</em>. Yeah, I know he wasn't the head coach, and I know he was able to ride the coattails of <strong>Parcells</strong>, <strong>Belichick</strong>, et al, but championships are championships, and I'll take a guy who's won them over a guy who hasn't.
31-98. <strong><em>Jimmy Clausen</em></strong><em>, <strong>Armando Allen</strong>, <strong>James Aldridge</strong>, <strong>Duval Kamara</strong>, <strong>Omar Hunter</strong>, <strong>Kerry Neal</strong>, ... well, you get the point.</em> That's 68 recruits in three years, with a bunch more on the '08 "big board" who still have lots of interest in the Irish. Compare that to his illustrious predecessor, who recruited a total of 52 in his three seasons: barely more than Weis & Co. brought in through their first TWO. It's not just about the rankings, either: you can't win with an empty cupboard, and trust me, Ty left it BARE.
99. <em>His players believe in him</em>. Make no mistake about it: you don't have top-notch recruits with offers from everywhere breaking down the doors to play for you the week after being present for a 38-0 spanking if you've "lost the team." Nor do insomniac offensive linemen <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/pleasantly-surprised" target="_blank">pad over to your office in rainbow flip-flops and knock on your door at 5:30am to ask how to be a better leader</a> unless they think that leading is a worthwhile endeavor. Sure, there may be some players, especially among the upper classes, who've sort of thrown in the towel, and there's no doubt that this team has often played tentatively and has had a tendency to get discouraged when things have gone wrong, but a lot of them seem genuinely excited about the future of the program. And that's a hell of an accomplishment when you're 1-9.
100. <em>The glimmers of hope</em>. Clausen dropping a beautiful pass over two defenders. Kamara stiff-arming an undersized defensive back and plowing through a pair of tacklers to pick up eight yards. Armando Allen bursting around the outside for a gain of eleven. James Aldridge running over a would-be tackler at the line of scrimmage. <strong>Golden Tate</strong> snagging a touchdown bomb, <a href="http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html#6906375208162749918" target="_blank">with his FINGERNAILS</a>. Kerry Neal and <strong>Brain Smith</strong> playing like men possessed on the outside. <strong>Darrin Walls</strong> looking more and more like a shut-down corner. <strong>Chris Stewart</strong> crushing defensive linemen to open up holes for his tailbacks. And on and on the list goes ... no doubt this year's team has been a HUGE disappointment, but the flashes we've seen (and yes, they've only been flashes, and have been few and far between) have made it clear that Weis and his staff have brought in some extraordinary talent. At this point it's about developing these kids and teaching them to win.
Of course, none of this counts as evidence that Weis will definitely, or even probably, be able to accomplish what he needs to in order to right this oh-so-sunken ship. But just as he's responsible for a big portion of the damage, it's also going to be his task to repair it, at least for the time being. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Good post Johnnd!
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I know this is a little off topic, but marv81s.......who is that in the picture??? Hot D*mn!!!
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Charlie plesase let the player's read this post. They will tackle a elephant and give him a