ESPN scribe brings up alleged ND alum racism

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Not a very flattering article.

ESPN - Wojciechowski: Irish eyes frown on Weis - Columnist

As the spectacularly failed reigns of Texas A&M's Dennis Franchione and Nebraska's Bill Callahan reach the buyout phase, Charlie Weis sits in his office at The Gug, Notre Dame's lavish football facility at campus's edge, and tries to salvage a season that even he knows can't be rescued from the ocean floor.


He's heard the boos at Notre Dame Stadium. He's had to. With each week and with each loss they arrive earlier, grow louder, last longer. It isn't any better in the blogosphere or chat rooms, where the anger, frustration and hostility toward Weis and his 10-year contract often reach toxic levels.


The Fighting Irish are 1-8, and with one more defeat, they'll become the losingest team in the 119-year history of Notre Dame football. That's where Weis is right now, facing the wrong kind of history, as well as a growing number of alums and supporters who want answers. Some of them even want a new coach.


But Notre Dame isn't going to fire Weis. To do so would be almost as unfair and as unjust as firing the man Weis succeeded: Tyrone Willingham.

Still, Notre Dame has only itself to blame for creating an environment in which Weis' future has become an issue only 27 games into his new contract and less than 10 months after he led the Irish to a second consecutive BCS bowl appearance. And it all started the exact moment when Notre Dame president John I. Jenkins and a handful of other influential power brokers decided to dismiss Willingham.

Charlie Weis can't be enjoying the sound of boos coming from the Notre Dame faithful.
The football sin wasn't simply the act of firing Willingham. It was the act of firing him after just three seasons and with two years remaining on his contract. And now, Weis suffers the consequences.

By canning Willingham, Notre Dame ended an admirable, honorable and often sensible tradition of giving its coach a full five-year window to establish a program. There have been rare exceptions, but in the past 45 years, only Willingham's deal was terminated before the freshmen he recruited became seniors.

The result is obvious. Now that Weis is suffering through a season of historic, almost subterranean football lows, Notre Dame alums and fans feel empowered by the precedent set when Willingham was dismissed. Three years is the new five years.

So all that goodwill Weis created during his first two seasons and 19-6 start has vaporized. Instead, the ND alum (class of 1978) faces an embarrassed constituency. Weis says he's going to be at Notre Dame "for a long time," and he has that long-term contract to prove it. But you wouldn't know it by the boos.

No, Weis isn't going anywhere, not even if the Irish finish with a first-ever 1-11 record (only two Notre Dame teams have lost as many as eight games). They have too much time and money invested in Weis. And even if they didn't, they'd keep him. So would I.

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But Weis is going to have to live with the "Fire Charlie" chatter because his employers made the idea possible. And by giving him the extension just seven games into his first head coaching job and now standing by his side during potentially the worst ND season of all time, the school is going to have to live with charges of hypocrisy.

When Willingham finished 6-5 in his third year (by the way, he beat eighth-ranked Michigan, ninth-ranked Tennessee, Michigan State and Navy), Jenkins called for the punt formation. It is that glaring difference in treatment that legitimizes questions asking whether Willingham's firing was racially motivated. If nothing else, it keeps alive the perception that racial undertones were at work.

We can debate Willingham's coaching and recruiting abilities, but you can't debate that Weis went to those two BCS games with such Willingham recruits as Brady Quinn, Jeff Samardzija, and Tom Zbikowski. Nor can you dispute the numbers: Weis is 20-14 after his first 34 games; Willingham was 21-13 after the same period and 21-15 when he was fired. They share the same number of victories against USC: zero.

To his credit, athletic director Kevin White argued against Willingham's dismissal. And former Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh made no secret of his disapproval of the decision. In his 1990 autobiography, Rev. Hesburgh wrote that if his football coach graduated players and followed NCAA rules, "he would not have to worry about alumni pressure. If he lost some games, or even had a losing season occasionally, I would take the heat, not he. If hired, he would be assured of a five-year contract."

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Now Weis is taking the heat. That 10-year deal offers some protection, but who are we kidding? If enough of those same people who engineered Willingham's settlement want Weis gone, then Weis is gone. Money won't be an issue. But they don't want him gone. They've proven that repeatedly.

When evidence of the NFL's interest in Weis began to reach critical mass in 2005, that's when Notre Dame offered him the extension. The last thing the school wanted was to fire Willingham and then lose his replacement just a year later. How would that look?

And now, as the criticism mounts over this 2007 collapse, Notre Dame is trusting Weis -- something it wouldn't do with Willingham. It's also trusting those recruiting class rankings. One of the main internal concerns with Willingham was that his recruiting classes were becoming progressively worse.

I think recruiting rankings are a joke. If NFL teams, which spend millions on scouting and evaluation, can screw it up, then just imagine how imprecise high school football player rankings are. And name me one recruit from Weis' second and third classes (you can't count his first class because of his late arrival at Notre Dame) who has distinguished himself on a national scale. Answer: There isn't anybody ... yet.

The self-assured Weis (sometimes too self-assured) will fix this mess. But if he doesn't, then Weis should prepare for the worst. And the worst is if Notre Dame forgets its conscience again and gives Weis the same margin of error it gave Willingham.

None.

Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com. He co-authored Jerome Bettis' autobiography, "The Bus: My Life In and Out of a Helmet," which is available now.
 
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For all the games I have gone to this year at notre dame I have not heard boos towards Charlie once.
 

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Yawn.

The same old crap that we've heard for the past 2 years. When will the sports writers move on? The fans and the University have.
 

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Yawn.

The same old crap that we've heard for the past 2 years. When will the sports writers move on? The fans and the University have.

To be fair, it isn't the same old crap. It is more relevant now because of Ty and Charlie's now nearly identical records.
 

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Ty's gone. He's moved on and hasn't looked back. Why can't everyone else?
 

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Maybe if you can stop talking about Ty for a minute these dimwit sportswriters would move onto something else....just a thought.
 

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Maybe if you can stop talking about Ty for a minute these dimwit sportswriters would move onto something else....just a thought.

We're only talking about Ty in response to one of "these dimwit sportswriters." I'm as sick of it as you are, but we're not the ones spawning the discussion.
 
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What gets me is that these sportswriters hate Notre Dame because it has ideals and imperfectly tries to live up to them. If they took 5 minutes to research how much the Catholic community has done for minorities (think of all the non-Catholic urban kids getting decent educations in Catholic parochial schools), they'd realize that there is no way selective racism would be practiced against Ty Willingham. In ND was as racist as claimed, they wouldn't have hired Willingham in the first place.

I've said it before, I don't think Ty should have been fired. But this ND bashing is a bunch of crap coming from guys that have no problem fawning over other programs where none of the minority athletes even graduate.

I'd say, to hell with 'em, but those same Catholic sensibilities compel me to be more generous.
 

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To be fair, it isn't the same old crap. It is more relevant now because of Ty and Charlie's now nearly identical records.

Nearly identical records, yes. Identical situations, no.

Ty had 46 upper-classmen in 2004. If you go back & look at the starting lineup in '04, QB is practically the only position w/ a player as young as a true sophomore starting...yet he was starting the '04 campaign w/ 3/4 of a season of experience under his belt. I believe he went on to set a few passing records at ND under Weis. His name escapes me.

Conversely, Weis has approx. 27 upper-classmen on his 2007 squad. As you know, he started the season w/o an experienced QB. We can blame Weis for not getting Sharpley any meaningful experience...that is a fair criticism. That goes for the others that could've gained some meaningful experience last year, but did not. This seems to be another lesson learned for Weis...he must always be looking to the future while playing to win in the present as this is not the NFL.

If you or someone at ESPN want to argue that a different coach would've been a better replacement for TW than Weis, that's a fair argument. But I don't understand keeping TW around for another two years for the sake of keeping him around for another two years. They tried that w/ the Bob Davie & got burned. We all know the old saying, "Doing the same thing over & over hoping for a different outcome is the definition of insanity.".

The politically correct way to have dealt w/ TW would have been to let him have the final 2years b/c the administration was too chicken shit to can him for fear of being branded racist (i.e., white guilt). Let's face it, the liberal media (yes, it exists in the sportsworld, too) wouldn't have said a thing about ND's floundering program had Ty continued the string of mediocrity thru the end of his contract. Then they'd be deemed the racists. And the elites in the press can't have that...again, white guilt.

Instead, ND's administration was suprisingly colorblind by cutting their losses based on a deteriorating program. To keep TW around to play out his string for the sake of "the 5 yr. commitment" is also a slap in the face of Coach Willingham. He doesn't deserve to be patronized as a pawn in a trumped up race game.

The last of Ty's recruiting classes are either no longer on the roster or part of the current starting lineup on both sides of the ball. As you'll probably agree, most, if not all, of Ty's remaining recruits have bleak prospects when it comes to a future in the NFL.

I agree w/ the previous poster who said "if ND was racist, they wouldn't have hired him in the first place".
 
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We're only talking about Ty in response to one of "these dimwit sportswriters." I'm as sick of it as you are, but we're not the ones spawning the discussion.

Well most of us anyway. There is a select person or two that like to try to go out of their way to defend his laughable recruiting.
 

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You're being too kind to Ty's recruiting prowess. :)
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So what's going to happen when Washington fires him after this year or next?

I doubt they will. They saw what happened at ND. I mean you can't expect another head coach to come into a situation where a raw, undeveloped talent of a QB (Jake Locker) suddenly blossomed under a new system w/ different schemes. Naw, that could never happen. :wink:
 

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To be fair, it isn't the same old crap. It is more relevant now because of Ty and Charlie's now nearly identical records.

Talk of "nearly identical records" is bullcrap. Weis had two BCS seasons and has now had one terrible one. He gets a chance to redeem himself from that in 2007. Willingham had ONE good season, followed it up with a 5-7 campaign, and then finished the 2006 season with a 6-6 record and no visible signs of improvement. THAT'S why he was fired: for the two straight years of mediocrity (at best), not the 21-15 (or whatever) overall record. If the Irish go 6-6 next year, look for Weis to go along with them.
 

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Not a very flattering article.

ESPN - Wojciechowski: Irish eyes frown on Weis - Columnist

He's heard the boos at Notre Dame Stadium. He's had to. With each week and with each loss they arrive earlier, grow louder, last longer. It isn't any better in the blogosphere or chat rooms, where the anger, frustration and hostility toward Weis and his 10-year contract often reach toxic level.

Charlie Weis can't be enjoying the sound of boos coming from the Notre Dame faithful.

I haven't missed a home game yet this year, and I have not heard anyone boo.
 

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No, because you argue for the sake of argument and because you are a jackass.

Please link to an argument I made in this thread. You won't find one, because I didn't argue.

And just because I think that Ty's firing was classless and not in the Notre Dame tradition does not make me a jackass.

If you think the way they fired Ty was cool, fine, that is your opinion. I, however, like the former president of ND think it was handled about as poorly as possible. Due to the way it was handled, Weis is fair game for these attacks.

That is all. We obviously disagree, that is fair.

By the way, the purpose of discussion boards is to discuss issues not follow each other in lock step goose step marches.

This season is a DISGRACE, and it isn't Ty's fault. If they were .500 you could blame him a little bit, but the fact they are 1-8 and sinking faster than a cheeseburger in Weis's hand is COMPLETELY Weis's fault. If Paul Johnson from Navy was coaching ND, this team would be .500. I FIRMLY believe this. Paul Johnson can COACH. That was evidenced on Saturday.
 

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Please link to an argument I made in this thread. You won't find one, because I didn't argue. Here's one.

And for the record, your thoughts on Ty don't make you a jackass. Your abrasive, argumentative tone make you a jackass ... jackass.
 

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Please link to an argument I made in this thread. You won't find one, because I didn't argue. Here's one.

And for the record, your thoughts on Ty don't make you a jackass. Your abrasive, argumentative tone make you a jackass ... jackass.

Weak sauce.
 
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