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(Via the Roundup.)

Ty is a damn joke, the domers were right.

- From an unidentified <a href="http://thewizardofodds.blogspot.com/2007/10/husky-fans-are-howling.html#c3367516472405406322" target="_blank">commenter</a> on <a href="http://thewizardofodds.blogspot.com/2007/10/husky-fans-are-howling.html" target="_blank">a post at Wizard of Odds</a> about the anger among Washington football fans at the spectacular job <strong>Tyrone Willingham</strong> and his staff are doing at running yet another once-proud program into the ground. See <a href="http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=147#s=147&f=1361&t=1304432" target="_blank">here</a> for some very funny stuff up the same alley. (HT: <a href="http://www.rakesofmallow.com/story/2007/11/2/155733/306" target="_blank">Rakes</a> and <a href="http://www.herloyalsons.com/" target="_blank">domer.mq</a>, respectively.)

But we all knew that. The real question is whether <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fid%2F2176634%2F&ei=94orR-HIBIO4pgT6vtmRBQ&usg=AFQjCNELS3TYXJVWQ1Zwi6SKn6QfBn5IPA&sig2=rZnFVkEjMD_rTUOMyGJYFg" target="_blank">Jon Chait</a> is right about <strong>Charlie Weis</strong>. Tune in Saturday to find out ...
 

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Whether Weis can coach at the college level or not, I do know this - the next coach to come in here wont have to rebuild an entire program like Weis had to. I'll give weis more time before I make a judgment on him.
 

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Whether Weis can coach at the college level or not, I do know this - the next coach to come in here wont have to rebuild an entire program like Weis had to. I'll give weis more time before I make a judgment on him.

Right on.
 

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Exactly. He got one more year (maybe). If not send him to the outer regions...
 

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Actually, I was totally wrong. That was NOT the quote of the week. Check this out:

For the past two weeks, Ty Willingham and his staff have been -- and it pains me to even write this -- blaming players for the team's shortcomings.

This a 2-6 team whose two wins are against a horrible Syracuse team and Boise State -- before new quarterback Taylor Tharp got comfortable.

Washington has given up 1,719 yards and 147 points in the last three games, and these are some of Ty's remarks:

After a loss to Oregon, Ty said the Huskies "need more bullets" in their gun to compete.

Of Southern Cal -- which isn't part of the last three losses -- Ty told the Seattle Times, "How many of our starters, when we lined up against USC that night, would've started for them?"

Later, Ty had to "clarify" his comments, and came up with this jewel: "We need to put (players) in the best position possible, that's the job of a coach. And at the same time, your players have to make the plays. It's always a combination, it's never just one."
So this is what respected Washington president Mark Emmert -- a UW alum who loves football and has been through the meat grinder as chancellor at LSU -- is paying millions for? Let me explain something here; it's a very simple process:

•1. Staff recruits players.
•2. Staff coaches players.
•3. Players perform how they are coached.

That's it, people. If Washington is struggling, it's coaching. Willingham has three recruiting seasons under him -- more than enough time to start a turnaround or at least become a respectable team that can beat the Arizonas of the world.

If it weren't for Locker, this team would be winless. Instead, the staff is spineless.
If this team is lacking "bullets" as Ty says, it's his fault. It's like the classic Seinfeld episode where George rebuffs a date because she's bald. Elaine so eloquently says -- hands coned around her mouth -- "You're bald!"

So Ty's players aren't good enough?

You're the guy recruiting them!

Somewhere, wacko Notre Dame fans have to be smiling.
 

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Whether Weis can coach at the college level or not, I do know this - the next coach to come in here wont have to rebuild an entire program like Weis had to. I'll give weis more time before I make a judgment on him.

Reps. Great post.
 

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(Via the Roundup ... I just couldn't resist.)

It's all your fault!

I know I've already gone after him <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/quote-of-the-week" target="_blank">once today</a>, but I just can't help it. Via <a href="http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=299112" target="_blank"><strong>Matt Hayes</strong> of the Sporting News</a>, here's an account of what's been going on at the University of Washington as the Huskies have lost five straight games following their 2-0 start:
<blockquote> For the past two weeks, <strong>Ty Willingham</strong> and his staff have been -- and it pains me to even write this -- blaming players for the team's shortcomings.

This a 2-6 team whose two wins are against a horrible Syracuse team and Boise State -- before new quarterback <strong>Taylor Tharp</strong> got comfortable.

Washington has given up 1,719 yards and 147 points in the last three games, and these are some of Ty's remarks:

After a loss to Oregon, <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskies/2003973169_uwfb25.html">Ty said the Huskies "need more bullets"</a> in their gun to compete. Of Southern Cal -- which isn't part of the last three losses -- Ty told the <em>Seattle Times</em>, "How many of our starters, when we lined up against USC that night, would've started for them?"

Later, Ty had to "clarify" his comments, and came up with this jewel: "We need to put (players) in the best position possible, that's the job of a coach. And at the same time, your players have to make the plays. It's always a combination, it's never just one."

So this is what respected Washington president Mark Emmert -- a UW alum who loves football and has been through the meat grinder as chancellor at LSU -- is paying millions for? Let me explain something here; it's a very simple process:

•1. Staff recruits players.
•2. Staff coaches players.
•3. Players perform how they are coached.

That's it, people. If Washington is struggling, it's coaching. Willingham has three recruiting seasons under him -- more than enough time to start a turnaround or at least become a respectable team that can beat the Arizonas of the world.

If it weren't for <strong>[Jake] Locker</strong>, this team would be winless. Instead, the staff is spineless.

If this team is lacking "bullets" as Ty says, it's his fault. It's like the classic <em>Seinfeld</em> episode where George rebuffs a date because she's bald. Elaine so eloquently says -- hands coned around her mouth -- "You're bald!"

So Ty's players aren't good enough?

<em>You're the guy recruiting them!</em>

Somewhere, wacko Notre Dame fans have to be smiling.</blockquote>
"Smiling" isn't quite right, since I do actually feel for all the members of the Husky faithful who've been taken in by this loser, and who'll have to wait at least another half-decade to undo the harm he's doing to their program. But yeah, that pretty much hits things on the nose. (The <em>Seinfeld</em> reference is especially well-placed; one imagines a disgruntled UW alum tossing Willingham's headset out of an apartment window, and Ty leaning halfway out as it falls to the street.)

It's worth comparing Willingham's explanation of his team's suckitude with the <strong>Charlie Weis's</strong> <a href="http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/103007aab.html" target="_blank">answer</a> to a reporter who asked him about the factors that led to Notre Dame's 1-7 start (I quoted this <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/taking-stock-part-ii-identity-crisis" target="_blank">earlier in the week</a>):
<blockquote>Well, first of all, let’s start with coaching, because what you just did in your question is gave me about 15 different excuses for us being 1 and 7, so why don’t we just start with 1 probably, with the transition that we’ve had from last year to this year, have not done the best job of having the team ready to go on a week in and week out basis, and we probably should leave it at that one because if you are looking for me to give you a whole dossier of problems that have happened this year, there would be too many things. If you want good fodder, let’s just throw me out there, okay. ... I think that if you start with the head coach doing a better job, then you’d probably have a better record.</blockquote>
And there you have it, folks. The kicker, of course, is that if ANYONE were in a position to make these sorts of excuses, it would be the guy whose offense is almost entirely dependent on true freshmen and sophomores, whose team played five of its first seven games on the road and each of its first eight against top-40 teams, and so on. Weis, though, is willing to recognize what Willingham is not: that <a href="http://www.irishenvy.com/irishroundup/taking-stock-part-i-19-reasons-why-notre-dames-offense-has-sucked-so-badly-in-2007" target="_blank">none of those kinds of explanations count for anything when you put a poor product on the field</a>.

Hayes deserves some serious kudos for calling Willingham out for this bullcrap. I'll be dollars to doughnuts we don't see <strong>Pat Forde</strong> or <strong>Jon Chait</strong> doing the same thing any time soon ...

(HT: <a href="http://www.ndlna.com/notre-dame-football/other/Ten-things-to-watch-for-including-the-streak" target="_blank">stonebreaker22</a>.)
 

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I'm not smiling about Ty's incredible comments. That's sad. If he continues this trend and gets fired from Washington (or is not re-hired, don't know when he contract ends) I don't think the people who criticized ND about his firing will ever admit it was justified. Anyone who is willing to offer the race argument, or any other contrived excuse is not being logical.

If Ty is already throwing his players under the bus and continues to make "not me" excuses, if he's fired by Washington he will no doubt offer all sorts of excuses then and will have just as many defenders. Oh well. Some people live their whole lives as victims.

The one thought I have is where will he go next? Washington was supposedly his dream job.
 
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Right on, SCD. The likely answer to your question is that he'll go NOWHERE next. Somebody will probably pick him up as a RB coach.
 

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I called this before the season started, and I'm calling it again. Next year the Head Coach of the Washington Huskies will be...

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On December 14, 2006, while the Falcons were still statistically alive in their quest for the playoffs, Mora said in a radio interview with Dave "Softy" Mahler on Seattle sports-talk radio station KJR-AM that if it were offered, he would take the head coaching job at the University of Washington (a job that was not open), "even if the Falcons were in a playoff run." While Mora later claimed that he was only kidding,

When Jim was 12, his father left Colorado after the 1973 football season to join the coaching staff at UCLA.

After one season in Los Angeles, Mora accepted a position at the University of Washington under new head coach Don James, and the Moras moved north from Los Angeles to the Seattle area when the Jim was 13. His father would coach the defensive line at Washington for three seasons before moving over to the pro ranks with the Seattle Seahawks in 1978, where he coached for four years under Jack Patera. The younger Jim Mora attended Hyak Junior High and Interlake High School in Bellevue, where he graduated in 1980.

Mora was a member of the fraternity Lambda Chi Alpha and played defensive back at Washington from 1980-83, appearing in two Rose Bowls. He began his coaching career directly after college as a graduate assistant for the Huskies under head coach Don James in 1984, and began his pro football coaching career in 1985.

If it doesn't happen at the end of this year, then even though they'll be idiots they'll have to do it after year 4.
 
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We start this week with the Washington Huskies. Any other time, the Huskies don't reach the radar -- unless I'm watching fabulous QB Jake Locker.

So why are we here, you ask? Accountability. Or lack thereof.

For the past two weeks, Ty Willingham and his staff have been -- and it pains me to even write this -- blaming players for the team's shortcomings.

This a 2-6 team whose two wins are against a horrible Syracuse team and Boise State -- before new quarterback Taylor Tharp got comfortable.

Washington has given up 1,719 yards and 147 points in the last three games, and these are some of Ty's remarks:

After a loss to Oregon, Ty said the Huskies "need more bullets" in their gun to compete. Of Southern Cal -- which isn't part of the last three losses -- Ty told the Seattle Times, "How many of our starters, when we lined up against USC that night, would've started for them?"

Later, Ty had to "clarify" his comments, and came up with this jewel: "We need to put (players) in the best position possible, that's the job of a coach. And at the same time, your players have to make the plays. It's always a combination, it's never just one."

So this is what respected Washington president Mark Emmert -- a UW alum who loves football and has been through the meat grinder as chancellor at LSU -- is paying millions for? Let me explain something here; it's a very simple process:

� 1. Staff recruits players.
� 2. Staff coaches players.
� 3. Players perform how they are coached.

That's it, people. If Washington is struggling, it's coaching. Willingham has three recruiting seasons under him -- more than enough time to start a turnaround or at least become a respectable team that can beat the Arizonas of the world.

If it weren't for Locker, this team would be winless. Instead, the staff is spineless.

If this team is lacking "bullets" as Ty says, it's his fault. It's like the classic Seinfeld episode where George rebuffs a date because she's bald. Elaine so eloquently says -- hands coned around her mouth -- "You're bald!"

So Ty's players aren't good enough?

You're the guy recruiting them!

Somewhere, wacko Notre Dame fans have to be smiling.
:bigsmile:
 

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i'm happy that this will change some peoples' minds about how ty was treated at ND but i'll offer two points in his defense to this thread. first, the once proud washington program was already run into the ground. he's simply carrying the torch. the reason he lasted until now before the complaints rang in is bc they wanted to give him some time to recruit. whomp a domp....we saw it coming. second, the quotes about blaming players is always wishy washy to me. any comment can be taken out of context although i do feel he lessens his own faults. i'm sure someone could rig up a thread about weis comments having the same theme.

so just a little balance here. all that said he sucks and is a terrible coach. he'll be lucky to see a head coaching position at a D-I school after this UW stint.
 

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i'm happy that this will change some peoples' minds about how ty was treated at ND but i'll offer two points in his defense to this thread. first, the once proud washington program was already run into the ground. he's simply carrying the torch. the reason he lasted until now before the complaints rang in is bc they wanted to give him some time to recruit. whomp a domp....we saw it coming. second, the quotes about blaming players is always wishy washy to me. any comment can be taken out of context although i do feel he lessens his own faults. i'm sure someone could rig up a thread about weis comments having the same theme.

so just a little balance here. all that said he sucks and is a terrible coach. he'll be lucky to see a head coaching position at a D-I school after this UW stint.

I think the video of the press conference is here - look at it if you want to see the context.

FWIW, I strongly doubt the same thing could be done for Weis. He's been pretty damn consistent in blaming himself for what's gone wrong.
 
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