Why 17?

[IrishinTN]

Okay, I actually bore down and did some real research into this and am hoping that for the first time I am posting what will be some useful information here, so be gentle. I keep hearing the magic number of "17" players who have left Notre Dame since Charlie Weis took over, so I had to check into it to see for myself, and here is what I found. Feel free to correct me, as I know you will. I took all commitment for the last four yers, including the mostly Ty/some Charlie class of 2004 and researched and cross-referenced every player, and here is what I come up with:
Player Name Postion Rating year Still w/ND? If no, why?
Steve Quinn LB *** 2005 Y
Kyle McCarthy CB ** 2005 Y
Derrell Hand DT *** 2005 Y
Patrick Kuntz DT *** 2005 Y
DJ Hord WR **** 2005 Y
Ray Herring S *** 2005 Y
Paul Duncan OL **** 2005 Y
Michael Turkovich OL **** 2005 Y
David Bruton S *** 2005 Y
Joey Hiben TE **** 2005 N Quit team for school reasons
Evan Sharpley QB **** 2005 Y
Kevin Washington S *** 2005 Y
David Grimes WR *** 2005 Y
Scott Smith LB *** 2005 Y
Asaph Schwapp FB *** 2005 Y
Sam Young OL ***** 2006 Y
Matt Carufel OL **** 2006 N Transferring
Konrad Reuland TE ***** 2006 N Transferring
Will Yeatman TE *** 2006 Y
Dan Wenger OL **** 2006 Y
Toryan Smith LB *** 2006 Y
Chris Stewart OL **** 2006 Y
Richard Jackson WR *** 2006 Y
Morrice Richardson LB *** 2006 Y
Sergio Brown S **** 2006 Y
Darrin Walls CB **** 2006 Y
Eric Olsen OL **** 2006 Y
George West WR *** 2006 Y
Jashaad Gaines S *** 2006 Y
Leonard Gordon S **** 2006 Y
Ryan Burkhardt K ** 2006 Y
Raeshon McNeil CB **** 2006 Y
Demetrius Jones QB *** 2006 N Transferred to Northern Illinois
Bartley Webb OL **** 2006 Y
Rob Parris WR *** 2006 Y
John Ryan DE *** 2006 Y
Luke Schmidt RB **** 2006 Y
James Aldridge RB ***** 2006 Y
Kellen Wade DE **** 2006 Y
Paddy Mullen TE *** 2006 Y
Zach Frazer QB **** 2006 N Transferred to Connecticut
Barry Gallup WR *** 2006 Y
Munir Prince RB *** 2006 Y
Brandon Walker P *** 2007 Y
Brian Smith MLB *** 2007 Y
Robert Hughes RB **** 2007 Y
Matt Romine OL **** 2007 Y
Harrison Smith S **** 2007 Y
Taylor Dever OL **** 2007 Y
Golden Tate WR **** 2007 Y
Ian Williams DL *** 2007 Y
Armando Allen RB **** 2007 Y
Emeka Nwankwo DL **** 2007 Y
Gary Gray CB **** 2007 Y
Andrew Nuss OT *** 2007 Y
Steve Paskorz SLB *** 2007 Y
Duval Kamara WR **** 2007 Y
Mike Ragone TE **** 2007 Y
Jimmy Clausen QB ***** 2007 Y
Aaron Nagel WLB *** 2007 Y
Kerry Neal DE **** 2007 Y
Terrail Lambert DB **** 2004 Y
Justin Hoskins RB **** 2004 N Transferred to Central Michigan
Anthony Vernaglia LB **** 2004 Y
Darius Walker RB *** 2004 N entered NFL
Leo Ferrine CB *** 2004 Y
Brandon Nicolas DT *** 2004 N Transferred to Colorado
David Wolke QB *** 2004 N Transferred to Western Kentucky
Junior Jabbie S *** 2004 Y
Chauncey Incarnato OL *** 2004 N Transferred to Indiana
Maurice Crum LB *** 2004 Y
Christopher Vaughn WR *** 2004 N Transferred to Louisville
Darrin Bragg QB ** 2004 Y
Justin Brown DE ** 2004 Y
Ronald Talley DL *** 2004 N Transferred to University of Delware
Tregg Duerson S ** 2004 N Quit team for school reasons
John Kadous OL *** 2004 N Transferred to Arizona, no longer playing football
Abdel Banda LB ** 2004 N Quit team, still at ND?

Several things become obvious to me. A) there are not 17 players here. B) some quit football completely. C) One left early for the NFL. And biggest of all, D) 10 of the 15 that were signed but left for whatever reasons were Ty guys.

Where does this magic number of 17 come from? Please help.

 

[johnnd05]

BGS had a full list today: The Blue-Gray Sky: October 2007. There are 17 there.

 

[kjones]

I still think you need to send them your analysis of the other school's rates for comparison and in perspective analysis john. I wonder if they'd let you guest post . I'm sure it would edify the entire ND community.

 

[IrishinTN]

BGS had a full list today: The Blue-Gray Sky: October 2007. There are 17 there.

Well...crap. Copycats. Still, some of those names were not included in the list of signees for any of those seasons. Are they talking about walk-ons who left? Wouldn't that kind of be a normal thing? At least it answers the question, even though I completely wasted my time.

 

[johnnd05]

I still think you need to send them your analysis of the other school's rates for comparison and in perspective analysis john. I wonder if they'd let you guest post . I'm sure it would edify the entire ND community.

They actually linked to it, in that very same post. Second time that BGS has linked to me.

 

[kjones]

I KNEW they had brains.