UCLA Game Analysis

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Thanks for the vote of confindence, wham. By the way, Andrew Ridgeley...so underrated. :)

Always a little nervous to be in what appears to be the minority opinion on this board, however.
 

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Piyachi,
Good comparison, but we are not stuck with no alternative like Quinns freshman year. Evan is a solid QB. Go irish!!!!!

Yes piyachi, thanks for the link. That is startling how similar the 2 QB's look on paper.

Maybe it's just that '07 is here and the general offensive ineptitude is so in our faces that it makes Brady's freshman season seem more impressive to this point. I sure do remember him running for his life, though.
 

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Sorry, I was enjoying my favorite brand of kosher dill pickles when typing my post. I too get aggravated when I see a Coach 'Weiss' in someone's post. All the same, I try not to mention it.

I don't think people are down on Jimmy as the future of this program necessarily, johnnd, but I do think the 'obligation' this coaching staff has to our veterans dictates that you play the qb that gives you the best chance of winning. Letting Jimmy take his lumps may seem like a plausible strategy, in fact it has been one I have supported since the end of the 1st half vs. GT. All the same, at some point he has got to be able to move the ball with some consistency vertically down the field. He has shown he can't do that right now, and as a result, our very young running game is also not getting the opportunity to develop any fluidity.

I want Jimmy to succeed, I like his moxie. But at what cost to the rest of the team?

Posted with love.

Wow. Looks like I missed a lot. I'm just going to reply to this one post for now.

I think that if Weis thought that playing Sharpley - with all that that would entail, i.e. including all the controversy and scrutiny that the decision to bench Clausen would generate - would give him the best chance to win now, he'd do it.

I don't think the quarter and a half of football that we've seen Sharpley play - on a day when his numbers were basically identical to Clausen's, and he came in at a point when Jimmy already HAD started moving the ball vertically with considerable success, and really gotten the offensive momentum rolling - shows that he gives us a better chance to win than JC. I think he's really immobile in the pocket, he made at least one awful throw/decision with that interception against Purdue, and if Weis says that Clausen is more accurate then I believe him (and a completion rate over 60% certainly speaks to that). We faced a REALLY good defense yesterday, and they completely shut down our running game, but our defense got the job done and Clausen managed not to make any major mistakes. We won the game by two touchdowns - it's hard to see how it makes sense to bench the kid after that.

Having said all this: as I wrote above, I don't think Clausen looks great, especially throwing the ball downfield. And I also think that we need to be doing what it takes to win as many games as possible THIS season, and not just let the kid "take his lumps" to prepare for the future. But the idea that JC should be benched after a tough go against one of the nation's best defenses - and in a game that his team WON - seems foolish to me.
 

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Thanks and yes he is. I wish it was feasible to actually have a 2 QB system because I really like the guy as a team player, and he sure isn't going to be on the bench at a lot of schools. Man... Quinn's frosh year.... dark days. I mean at the time I had 4 years of eligibility left so it isn't like we had NO alternatives :smilewink

I am a relative newcomer to this forum, and you and the southie guy are two of my favorites so far. Are you a former ND athlete? If you don't want to answer, please send a private message with a yepper or noper.

I made the mistake of praising Johnnd05 in a private email. Turns out he is quite the self inflated dummy. He sure spends a lot of time on this forum though. Maybe he is a hired spin doctor for Clausen, or a salesman for this website. They are tracking all of us, I hope you know.

Oops.

Lighten up all you lifers that get offended with a stain on your silver spoon. Football is a rough game. Try playing it once or twice at the organized spectator level. Johnn05, quit lying.
 
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Wow. Looks like I missed a lot. I'm just going to reply to this one post for now.

I think that if Weis thought that playing Sharpley - with all that that would entail, i.e. including all the controversy and scrutiny that the decision to bench Clausen would generate - would give him the best chance to win now, he'd do it.

I don't think the quarter and a half of football that we've seen Sharpley play - on a day when his numbers were basically identical to Clausen's, and he came in at a point when Jimmy already HAD started moving the ball vertically with considerable success, and really gotten the offensive momentum rolling - shows that he gives us a better chance to win than JC. I think he's really immobile in the pocket, he made at least one awful throw/decision with that interception against Purdue, and if Weis says that Clausen is more accurate then I believe him (and a completion rate over 60% certainly speaks to that). We faced a REALLY good defense yesterday, and they completely shut down our running game, but our defense got the job done and Clausen managed not to make any major mistakes. We won the game by two touchdowns - it's hard to see how it makes sense to bench the kid after that.

Having said all this: as I wrote above, I don't think Clausen looks great, especially throwing the ball downfield. And I also think that we need to be doing what it takes to win as many games as possible THIS season, and not just let the kid "take his lumps" to prepare for the future. But the idea that JC should be benched after a tough go against one of the nation's best defenses - and in a game that his team WON - seems foolish to me.

Please don't use the completion rate argument. Many of JC's completions are safety-valve throws for little or no gain. When Sharps is in, he is asked to throw the ball downfield and take more chances (of course because we have been getting smoked). What you perceive as a lack of mobility, I perceive as a lack of protection. Jimmy's made his mistakes too, I'll concede it's a wash between the two QB's in the bad decision category.

I'm going to do my best to put my faith in JC for another week, and try not to clamor for Evan too loudly until a final score in a future contests dictates I should. Let's hope it doesn't.

GO IRISH! MASSACRE EAGLES!!!
 

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It is a little disturbing that you don't see JC throwing the 10-20 yd route. It is either the dinks and dunks or throwing it long. That tells me that there are accuracy concerns.
 

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I made the mistake of praising Johnnd05 in a private email. Turns out he is quite the self inflated dummy. He sure spends a lot of time on this forum though. Maybe he is a hired spin doctor for Clausen, or a salesman for this website. They are tracking all of us, I hope you know.

Oops.

Lighten up all you lifers that get offended with a stain on your silver spoon. Football is a rough game. Try playing it once or twice at the organized spectator level. Johnn05, quit lying.

Gee, thanks. You're a sweetheart. Sorry I tried to defend my point of view.

Welcome to my ignore list.
 

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I am a relative newcomer to this forum, and you and the southie guy are two of my favorites so far. Are you a former ND athlete? If you don't want to answer, please send a private message with a yepper or noper.

NCAA, definitely not ND. I think that UCLA walk-on would look like Manning (the good one) compared to me QB-ing.

93 - I'm not a guru of the x's and o's so forgive me if I am wrong here, buuuuut: how would not really throwing a lot in that zone be a sign of accuracy issues? To me it would mean that we either don't have a receiver that is killer in going over the middle or running good out routes. If there is any real issue that I can see with JC it would be velocity or the deep ball, although (IMO) these aren't really killing us. If it's a QB issue, then I'd say it would be that they are dumping the ball off to quickly to the panic-button option instead of letting the receiver route develop (clearly getting rid of the ball to quickly isn't JCs issue, haha).
 

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Besides what jonesman has already said about Clausen, one thing I would add is that he just needs to adjust to the speed of the game better, which should come in time. By this I mean that he needs to learn what an "open" reciever looks like at this level of football, as well as the speed at which defenses adjust their formations and how long you have to stay in pocket. There needs to be an internal clock in there that tells you to go because if you stand back there any longer their comming for you. I've played quite a bit of QB and most of the time you can't really see pressure or know that's comming and from where unless you can bait the defense into showing. You almost have naturally feel and move around to buy yourself time without thinking about because you need to be focusing on making your reads, and looking off defenders.

All that being said I really don't mind seeing Clausen play. Yes, Sharply would probably help the team win more now, but let's face it, weather he wants to admit it or not CW is rebuilding this team for the future and he thinks JC will learn more on the feild than on the sidelins and if that means the offense is going to struggle a little more for the time being and maybe even lose a couple games because of it he's probably willing to accept that. He knows where the future of this team is and he's thinking long term because it.
 
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It is a little disturbing that you don't see JC throwing the 10-20 yd route. It is either the dinks and dunks or throwing it long. That tells me that there are accuracy concerns.

Personally I don't think his elbow is completely healthy yet, and CW may be reluctant to do so as well because he still tends to stare down his recievers. On long throws that'll even get you INTs in pick-up games, let alone CFB.
 

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I tell you what...I am in the midst of watching the game again via TiVo.

With the exception of the sack on the play after we recovered the Olsen fumble, we played a beautiful first quarter. I forgot about (or missed) that touch pass to Carlson on 2nd and goal. Should have been 6, Carlson lost his concentration.

Would have been interesting to see Olsen in the whole game.
 

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I know it's hard to validate this statement when you're losing 6-3, but upon re-watching the 1st half of the game on Saturday, we really played a pretty balanced half on both sides of the ball.

In hindsight, Jimmy only really had one bad throw in that first half, that being the phantom pass-interference call that went in our favor that should have been an INT. The other near pick was more a result of Tate cutting of his route than Jimmy making a bad throw. Should've had a TD to Carlson, and before that, we should have been pounding with Aldridge or Hughes after the fumble recovery that was returned to the 1. The sack in the red zone and the fumble right before the half were the only glaring negatives to our offensive play in the first half.

We certainly need to show some improvements on 3rd and short defensively, and a couple of failed wrap-up tackles kept drives going for UCLA. And boy does Ambrose Wooden overpursue.

If you get a chance to see the replay, look at the eyes of Bethel-Johnson while he's warming up on the sidelines before his first series. Looks as if he's going to shite his pants.

Off to watch a victorious 2nd half, and get some z's. Good night all!
 

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I agree that JC cannot throw the long ball right now and with a guy like Tate we need that bad right now. I say Weis benches JC...it is obvouis he is not 100% so why play him!!!

The RB's looked good but why is Thomas still getting carries?!?! 2 for 1 yard...that is (2) too many for me. Allen and Alridge looked great and I cannot wait for Hughs to get more carries because I think he will be the best of the bunch when it is all said and done.

Coaching was BAD!!! Sorry, but 3 for 17 on 3rd down will not work!!! He needs to open the offense up more!!!

The defense looked GREAT and was the only reason we won this game! CB has this unit moving in the right direction and I cannot wait to watch them go against BC next week!

GO IRISH!!!
 

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3 for 17 is a product of poor results on 1st and 2nd down.

At this point, I think that the one improvement on offense has to be on the play-calling. It is much too predictable if you ask me. It seemed (and I'm sure that I could be proven wrong) that it was always run-run-pass-punt.

We need to work in many more play-actions on first down to loosen up the defenses.
 

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A third string walk-on redshirt freshman. Couldn't beat a 0-5 team. That's the game in a nutshell. Oh! and we couldn't still move he ball.

Let's Go Dame Please!!!
 

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Guys,
By the way, I will ask that you do NOT use the 60% completion rate as one of JC's reasons for starting. Because if that is one of the comparatives, he loses to Evan who is throwing at a 65% rate. I also am researching the completions based on yardage. This is where I believe we are going to find the glaring JC weakness to date. He is NOT making those mid range passes. The screen passes and sideline parrallel pass for no yards are BS passes to judge a QB on. I want to see a QB making those 10-20 yard slants and outs which gives the WR a chance to run. To make those throws, your QB needs to make decision and throw a timing pass, JC is holding the ball past the point of no return on these plays. Those mid range passes are what drives a D nuts. They are forced to change the D to defend. Dink and Dunk allows the D to keep everything in front of them and crowd the line of scrimmage. The long pass to Golden is not what really scares a D since they know it is only coming about 2-3 times a game. No wonder Aldridge has no where to run with 8 defenders in the box. The mid range game makes a D back up and softens the LB's. This week if we continue to see a lack of the mid range game, BC will absolutley destroy our running game which will make for a long day for ND.
 

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I think everyone is expecting too much here. Maybe it's because Clausen was so highly touted out of high school. I'm not arguing for or against his starting, just for some rationale thought. Being the QB at Notre Dame is one of the toughest spots in sport. That goes double if you are a "phenom" freshman. It goes triple if you can't win and are getting your clock cleaned every offensive series. This team is not going to, all of the sudden, break it open and lay 40 points on anyone this year. This is a year of baby steps. Basically, I think it comes down to either trusting the coaches or not. Seeing what Weis has done with Tom Brady and Brady Quinn, I am apt to trust him with Clausen. I also find it interesting that after Tech, Weis was criticized for being too complicated. Now he is being criticized for being too vanilla.
 

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The RB's looked good but why is Thomas still getting carries?!?! 2 for 1 yard...that is (2) too many for me. Allen and Alridge looked great and I cannot wait for Hughs to get more carries because I think he will be the best of the bunch when it is all said and done.
GO IRISH!!!

TT's carries were on the 2 yard line, so he wasn't going to get much more yardage than that. lol

I think TT is too impatient. He wants to score NOW and might not be giving the line a chance to make the block. A solution might be to move him back about 8 to 10 yards from the line of scrimmage and let him pick his hole after the line has had time to block. I really hope they stick with the guy - I think he is a solid athlete that will make it in the pros.
 

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I think I'd like to try to create a little perspective here on at least one topic: play-calling.

I think a lot of fans who have never played or coached football (I have done both) think that play-calling is as simple as picking the right play for a given formation on defense/defensive call and then things work out right. Being unpredictable and surprising are key aspects, and things generally work the way you call them. You call the right one, it works, the wrong one, and it doesn't.

I call this ideaology the "gamestation X" idea about play-calling. It's largely as a result of playing football simulators on whatever your system is, and isn't really very much like actual play-calling. It has a number of false assumptions built into it, and just to be sure no one is in fact making these assumptions, I thought I'd make them explicit.

If it doesn't apply to you, don't worry about it, I'm just making some implicit things explicit.

1. Play-calling is impacted largely by your gameplan going into the game, and adjustments made during the game.

For those of you who watched/listened to coach's recent press conference, you'd know that the gameplan was largely based on negating the speed outside rush of UCLA. I don't think anyone would argue with this goal. There are a number of ways to achieve this goal through play-calling, but all are dependent on who you have to run the plays.

2. Play-calling is dependent on your personnel and their capabilities.

You cannot simply call plays despite your personnel's strengths and weaknesses and expect things to work. A slow player will not regularly execute a play needing quickness. A small fast player will not regularly execute a play requiring power. Etc. I think you get the point.

3. Play-calling is not an exact science

Sometimes the defense just beats you. Sometimes it's individual battles, sometimes it's a perfect call, sometimes someone on your team makes a mistake. Just because a play fails, doesn't mean it was a bad play call. There are so many factors that go into a play working or not working, you could make a career out of figuring it out. This is what real coaches do.

So here's how I think that information affects how I see the play-calling last game.

Our game plan was to limit the effectiveness of their outside rush. Ways that we tried to do this were: leaving in extra blockers (TE's and RB's) to help the OLine, running screen plays, throwing quick out passes and swing passes, and trying to establish the run game. All of this is pretty vanilla, which is why so many people are upset and think the play-calling stunk. My view is somewhat different.

No one would call our OLine good. So our personnel affects what we can do. Things we could do last year: lining up in 5 wide formations, going no-huddle, etc. that worked so effectively are not really safe bets against a good defense. A new quarterback also limits our options (Evan or Jimmeh) because making reads requires experience when you have to do it fast and you have 5 recievers. So we leave more men in the box to block, seems like a good idea to me.

Then we try to establish the run, also makes sense, especially if our defense i playing well. But since we have extra guys in the box, so do they, so running is especially difficult, though not impossible. A good Oline would help, but our personnel limits what we can do here. Since they are stacking the box though, it means we can play-action and take a few shots deep, and when the corners back off a little we can throw quick outs. Both of those play-calling decisions make sense, and if they aren't very risky, well, do we really need to take more risks with our team desperate for confidence? Screen passes and swing passes can also take the steam out of an outside rush, and both calls are sensible as well.

So at least without looking at how the game turned out, you can say that the play-calling and the game plan made sense, was trying to be safe and prevent mistakes, and had a reasonable chance at achieving it's goal. If you then go back and watch the game again, you can see how many times the problem was not the play that was called, but that UCLA made a good play, either a single player or they made a good call. Or we had a breakdown somewhere in a one-on-one battle. Or our timing was a little off, the receiver broke wrong, the QB didn't pull the trigger, the OLinemen lost his block. A host of little problems, as well as many people doing good jobs as well, but it takes a whole team doing their job to get things done.

Its easy to look at a play that didn't work and say "Oh, that's the wrong play, I think they should have done this." But if you, sitting at home on your couch thought of it, don't you think the defensive coordinator for the other team did too? It's rather funny how people can criticize play-calling for being too obvious and in the same breath criticize them for not doing the obvious thing. I'd like these people to come up with other game plans and play-calls that fit our team and personnel and explain them to me in detail. I, for one, think our team right now is limited by enough weaknesses that the game plan was solid, rational, and a very solid choice. That it didn't work the way we wanted in no means diminishes this, but in fact goes a long way towards proving we couldn't have handled a more complicated and risky game plan.
 

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Thanks for the post. Great points worthy of discussion.

Excuse me while I grab a beer. Brb. lol.

I think a lot of fans who have never played or coached football (I have done both)....

What level of football and coaching experience do you have? Just curious.

[/B]1. Play-calling is impacted largely by your gameplan going into the game, and adjustments made during the game..


Playcalling is a function of the offensive coodinator's system implemented before the season starts.

For those of you who watched/listened to coach's recent press conference, you'd know that the gameplan was largely based on negating the speed outside rush of UCLA. I don't think anyone would argue with this goal. There are a number of ways to achieve this goal through play-calling, but all are dependent on who you have to run the plays. .

If you are confident in the offensive system you have, the defensive coordinators are the one's who must lose sleep finding ways to stop the O. You don't change your entire offensive playbook every week. Makes for poor execution.

2. Play-calling is dependent on your personnel and their capabilities..


Have a system first. Then tell the athlete that this is what he will do on every play at every practice at every game. Execution improves.

You cannot simply call plays despite your personnel's strengths and weaknesses and expect things to work. A slow player will not regularly execute a play needing quickness. A small fast player will not regularly execute a play requiring power. Etc. I think you get the point..

Do you see your own contradiction there? My point is that the tail must not wag the dog, at least not on a regular basis.

3. Play-calling is not an exact science.

It is, if you know what you are doing and have done it enough times.

Sometimes the defense just beats you. Sometimes it's individual battles, sometimes it's a perfect call, sometimes someone on your team makes a mistake. Just because a play fails, doesn't mean it was a bad play call. There are so many factors that go into a play working or not working, you could make a career out of figuring it out. This is what real coaches do..

Agree totally.

So at least without looking at how the game turned out, you can say that the play-calling and the game plan made sense, was trying to be safe and prevent mistakes, and had a reasonable chance at achieving it's goal. If you then go back and watch the game again, you can see how many times the problem was not the play that was called, but that UCLA made a good play, either a single player or they made a good call. Or we had a breakdown somewhere in a one-on-one battle. Or our timing was a little off, the receiver broke wrong, the QB didn't pull the trigger, the OLinemen lost his block. A host of little problems, as well as many people doing good jobs as well, but it takes a whole team doing their job to get things done. .

Timing mistakes don't happen when you practice the FEW plays in your arsenal for the week. It's all about knowing what you want, reps at practice, and gaining confidence and thus better execution with the FEW plays you have practiced.

CWs scheme seems to be "made up" every week. No "go-to" play. Totally flaky offensive scheme.

It is not the team that is seeking identity. It is the head coach who is seeking identity.
 
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Kjones,
I appreciate your analysis, but CW is getting WAY too predictable with his playcalling and is not realizing the failures of certain plays. I really think he is still coaching in an NFL style. College playcalling is more about creating confusion and misdirection of defensive flow. You can have a vanillla gameplan and still incorporate play call differsification. How often do you continue to run screens and swing passes when they are getting totally blown up by the D. Further, how many fly patterns will you run with Tate before you understand in a given game that the D has that one completely figured out. Plus, you make a point that we had trouble running because we had extra guys in the box, so did they. Well then split out trips which will take men out of the box and run the quick dive. CW stated when he was hired that his offensive mind would give his players an advantage. We may not have talent level or experience of the competition, but I am not feeling this year that CW is out coaching the competitions D. This week will tell us all alot. We are playing a great team, but we have some experience and success under our wings. Go IRISH
 

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Timing mistakes don't happen when you practice the FEW plays in your arsenal for the week. It's all about knowing what you want, reps at practice, and gaining confidence and thus better execution with the FEW plays you have practiced.

CWs scheme seems to be "made up" every week. No "go-to" play. Totally flaky offensive scheme.

It is not the team that is seeking identity. It is the head coach who is seeking identity.

I don't think this is true. For one, we haven't had much success on the offensive side of the ball (duh) so we try stuff out to see what sticks. Now I'm not advocating going nuts with it like switching to that mangled-option thing we tried to run with DD, but when we have talent at say wide receiver (getting there) and power backs, then we can afford (at least hypothetically - we can't afford free stuff this year) to try tweaks in the system that at the end of the night can make us look like a power-rushing team (vs MSU) or a throw-first team (vs Purdon't). Back when we had an established crew there was no waffling about the offensive game plan. We didn't use a power rushing game because we didn't have the players for it.

What you are saying certainly worked great for Holtz. People knew what we were going to do but we had great players that were tailor-made for that offense and it was very successful. Right now we have to figure out where all the pieces come together. It is true that we have seen a lot of different looks on O, but really nothing has worked well enough to make it our fall-back-to play, unless you count sack for a loss of 7 as a feature play. I wouldn't qualify it as 'flaky' so much as testing the strengths of our players. I don't think we will settle into a pattern until the last four weeks where we get to build on one identity against teams that should allow us to build on confidence and execution.

Great post BTW jones. reps
 

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Kjones,
I really think he is still coaching in an NFL style. College playcalling is more about creating confusion and misdirection of defensive flow. You can have a vanillla gameplan and still incorporate play call differsification. How often do you continue to run screens and swing passes when they are getting totally blown up by the D. Further, how many fly patterns will you run with Tate before you understand in a given game that the D has that one completely figured out. Plus, you make a point that we had trouble running because we had extra guys in the box, so did they. Well then split out trips which will take men out of the box and run the quick dive. CW stated when he was hired that his offensive mind would give his players an advantage. We may not have talent level or experience of the competition, but I am not feeling this year that CW is out coaching the competitions D. This week will tell us all alot. We are playing a great team, but we have some experience and success under our wings. Go IRISH

You continue to amaze me jonesman. Great insight. Thanks.
 

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Guys,
By the way, I will ask that you do NOT use the 60% completion rate as one of JC's reasons for starting. Because if that is one of the comparatives, he loses to Evan who is throwing at a 65% rate. I also am researching the completions based on yardage. This is where I believe we are going to find the glaring JC weakness to date. He is NOT making those mid range passes. The screen passes and sideline parrallel pass for no yards are BS passes to judge a QB on. I want to see a QB making those 10-20 yard slants and outs which gives the WR a chance to run. To make those throws, your QB needs to make decision and throw a timing pass, JC is holding the ball past the point of no return on these plays. Those mid range passes are what drives a D nuts. They are forced to change the D to defend. Dink and Dunk allows the D to keep everything in front of them and crowd the line of scrimmage. The long pass to Golden is not what really scares a D since they know it is only coming about 2-3 times a game. No wonder Aldridge has no where to run with 8 defenders in the box. The mid range game makes a D back up and softens the LB's. This week if we continue to see a lack of the mid range game, BC will absolutley destroy our running game which will make for a long day for ND.

Clausen is making those mid-range passes, what games have you been watching? The Purdue game (especially in the 2nd half) he was throwing darts to Kamara and Parris who were running slants, and outs. He was putting the ball where only his receiver can catch it, the defender had no shot to even make a play on it. I haven't watched much of the replay but CW didn't run very many slants against UCLA. Clausen has trouble reading defenses right now which is a problem all freshman have, also our receivers are struggling to get open. The are getting open but it takes them forever sometimes. The reason we are struggling to run is part of two reasons, one is our passing game is all screens and dump-offs and two our offensive line is atrocious at run blocking. They are doing a much better job of protecting Clausen, but they still cannot open any holes for the backs to run through. If Weis wants a more consistent running game he needs to A) throw more mid-range passes (Clausen can make them if you give him time to throw) and B) Utilize our backs strengths (IE: no more pitches to Aldridge, or Thomas save those for Allen. Run Luke Schmidt more, ETC.). IMO if we throw more slants and crossing routes, stop being too cute running the ball, and call a more agressive gameplan (No more screens for petes sake).
 

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I don't think this is true. For one, we haven't had much success on the offensive side of the ball (duh) so we try stuff out to see what sticks.

Like I said (or at least hinted), an experienced, successful college offensive coordinator does not do that.


Now I'm not advocating going nuts with it like switching to that mangled-option thing we tried to run with DD,

But CW went nuts by switching from that mangled option thing that has worked for so many offenses around the country (including Myers's offense) to the current chaos he has now. Apparently he gave up his entire summer plan after one half, lost his qb, and switched to chaos. See above post about head coach seeking identity.


What you are saying certainly worked great for Holtz. People knew what we were going to do but we had great players that were tailor-made for that offense and it was very successful. Right now we have to figure out where all the pieces come together. It is true that we have seen a lot of different looks on O, but really nothing has worked well enough to make it our fall-back-to play, unless you count sack for a loss of 7 as a feature play. I wouldn't qualify it as 'flaky' so much as testing the strengths of our players. I don't think we will settle into a pattern until the last four weeks where we get to build on one identity against teams that should allow us to build on confidence and execution.

It worked for Holtz and any offense that scores often.

It seems the offense that CW started with in the first half of the GT game this year is the offense used by many around the country at all levels, but it has been around for over ten years. I think it is an offshoot of the Houston "running shoot" offense. Someone correct me here. Florida used it to win the NC.

I call "seeing a lot of different looks on O" a flaky thing. Don't forget that Notre Dame is the worst offense in college football, give or take a play here and there. Best thing the offense did was adding the "play action pass". What took so friggen long?

I'll answer my own question: Weis is an inexperienced college head football coach. He is the one seeking identity.

Thanks for the input piyachi. You da man!
 

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Great post, KJones.
 
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The OSU game was on instead so I didn't get to see it! They finally win and I can't watch it.
 

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After reading some of these post it makes me wonder if we won or not?

We did win right? Good Grief.

I don't care if we had 500 yds total offense. WE WON THE WAY WE HAD TO!!! He protected the lead. Thank God he did!!!
 
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So many Monday Morning QBs questioning Charlie's playcalling.

Fact of the matter is Charlie's team won.

Charlie has never been a predictable playcaller. But he has two true freshman getting 30%+ of the snaps at WR. Add in a freshman QB digesting the playbook since only January. Add to that the fact the OL can't hold off blockers on anything more than a three step drop and you can understand this very poignant fact: The playbook is just too tiny at this point, so of course it's going to be predictable if you can only call 100 plays.

Now stop being whiny, emo fans complaining about Charlie's playcalling. You're Monday Morning QBing and also providing a very slanted, unfair, inaccurate assessment.
 

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kjones said:
3. Play-calling is not an exact science.
It is, if you know what you are doing and have done it enough times.

HAHAHA.

Play-calling is an exact science in Madden when you figure out how to abuse the AI.

Play-calling in real life is nowhere near an exact science and you sound ridiculous even suggesting it is exact. Do you even coach and have you ever called plays? You're completely lacking anecdotes from real world experience to give you an ounce of credibility here. But Monday Morning QBs can say whatever they want.

I'm not really trying to pick on you, but your statement just captured what a lot of the posters in this thread are suggesting: Charlie Weis is suddenly a predictable, poor playcaller.

Here is a list of what effects playcalling off the top of my head:

  • Quarterback arm strength and velocity
  • Quarterback decision-making ability (i.e., Akili Smith never had more than 2 reads to make when he was the Ducks QB; he sucked when he got to the NFL for this reason)
  • Type of running back
  • Quality of running back
  • Pass protection quality at 3 step drops
  • Pass protection quality at 5 step drops
  • Pass protection quality at 7 step drops
  • Philosophy regarding the Shotgun; some coaches don't believe in EVER using it
  • Centers ability to snap the ball in the shotgun
  • QB knowledge of the playbook
  • WR knowledge of responsibilities on any given route
  • RB blitz responsibilities
  • TE ability to catch the ball
  • WR ability to make plays after catch

How many of those things are a "PLUS" for Notre Dame this year? How many were a "PLUS" the past two years? The more in the "PLUS" column you are, the larger your playbook gets.
 
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