Just one more reason why ND was smart to fire Ty

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Forsett rushes into limelight at California
By Kelly Whiteside, USA TODAY

For Justin Forsett, February 2004 arrived with no place to sign on the dotted line.
The 5-8 running back assumed he was headed to Notre Dame, but the Irish offered scholarships to two bigger running backs. Which was news to him.

It would be easy to say Forsett, now a senior at California, had the last laugh. Notre Dame is 0-4. The school where he landed is 4-0. But holding grudges isn't Forsett's nature.

"It was a tremendous blessing for me to end up where I am," he says. "At the time I couldn't see it. I didn't know where I'd be after Notre Dame turned me down, and it definitely hurt. But God works in mysterious ways, and there couldn't be a better place than here."

So how did Forsett get from nowhere to here? From castoff to Cal's most valuable player so far as the No. 6 Golden Bears head into Saturday's critical game at No. 12 Oregon?

Before signing day in 2004, Notre Dame's running backs coach at the time, Buzz Preston, visited Forsett and his father, Rodney, and mother, Abby, at his high school, Grace Prep in Arlington, Texas. According to the Forsetts, Preston said Notre Dame would have a scholarship for him.

"We left the meeting feeling wonderful because we were on our way to Notre Dame," says Rodney, a minister.

About a week before signing day, Justin called Notre Dame, then coached by Tyrone Willingham. "I hadn't heard from them in a while," he says. "They told me they didn't need me anymore."

Preston, now at New Mexico, says the Irish never offered Forsett a scholarship. It wasn't for lack of ability; the Irish simply were looking for taller backs.

This much was certain: Forsett was blindsided by the news. "Forsett loses lone offer," read the headline on the Rivals.com recruiting site on Jan. 28, 2004.


After signing day passed, Forsett's high school coach, Mike Barber, a former NFL player, feverishly sent more highlight tapes to coaches around the country. None of the schools in Texas or Florida, where Forsett played his first two years of high school football, were interested. "Nothing. Nobody. Even Baylor didn't want him," Rodney says. South Carolina State was an option, but Forsett's goal was to play Division I-A.

Forsett's highlight tape landed at Cal.

"We watched his tape and thought this is too good to be true," coach Jeff Tedford says. "There's got to be something wrong with this kid. There's a skeleton in the closet somewhere. So we thoroughly investigated everything about him and brought him here with his father, and he's the greatest kid you ever want to meet."

For the past three seasons, Forsett fully embraced his backup role to J.J. Arrington and Marshawn Lynch. "Not one complaint," Cal running backs coach Ron Gould says. "All he did was come out and work."

To prepare for the leading role this year and the physical punishment that comes with it, Forsett added about 15 pounds of muscle and is now about 200 pounds.

When needed the most, Forsett has shined. In Cal's opening win against Tennessee, Forsett ran for 156 yards on 26 carries. Last week against Arizona, Cal's offense stalled when Forsett was nursing ankle and quadriceps soreness. After the Wildcats scored 17 unanswered points, Forsett lobbied to go back in and led the Bears on their final touchdown drive.

Forsett is the Pacific-10's second-leading rusher (121.0 yards a game), behind only Oregon's Jonathan Stewart (125.8). He's also tied for the conference lead with seven touchdowns. "He's been a guy who's carried the load for us so far," Tedford says.

Other Pac-10 tailbacks have received more attention. The nine at Southern California, for instance.

Others have flashy promotion websites, such as the Heisman Trophy campaign for Cal wide receiver/punt returner DeSean Jackson. But so far for the Bears, No. 20 has also been the one to watch.

"Right now we're just as concerned with Justin Forsett (as Jackson)," Oregon coach Mike Bellotti says. "(Forsett's) the guy that makes that offense go because every down he's a factor to deal with."
 

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Maybe you should post that in about three threads on a UW site. Then call them classless.
 

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And on top of that kind of behavior this was the class Ty and ND signed that year.

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp

Say what you want about Ty not getting a long enough chance, but things like this would have only continued and would have only gotten worse. Honestly I think it would have gotten to the point that ND would have fielded a team that consisted of halfd walk-ons eventually. So next time you think that he got a raw deal think he got a raw deal just think about if you'd like to have someone that pulls crap like Urban Meyer, but still can't get any talent in on top of his hijinx.
 

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Maybe you should post that in about three threads on a UW site. Then call them classless.

No, I try not to talk about Ty too much anymore because what's done is done, and to me and any other rational CFB fan it's quite obvious that Ty takes a lot of the blame for what we're going through right now. But this story just came out and knowing that Ty pulled this type of crap on top of the recruiting and coaching job he was already doing just ticked me off a little.
 
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The link takes me to the wrong thing... so I have a question:

Who were the two backs that ND took that year as opposed to this kid? Regardless of how good or bad he was that was an improper way to handle recruiting him (downright Meyer-ish if you ask me). Glad he has done well at Cal, and if they play Ty I hope the kid gets 500 yards in the game.
 

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Wow, there you go. What a dumbass. Was Willingham the coach when we failed to offer Paul Posluszny, too?

Now this makes it that much worse for me as a student at Cal ... I have to hear about how good the effing team is all the time, and with the knowledge that their best player could have been playing for us. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.

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No, I try not to talk about Ty too much anymore because what's done is done, and to me and any other rational CFB fan it's quite obvious that Ty takes a lot of the blame for what we're going through right now. But this story just came out and know that Ty pulled this type of crap ontop of the recruiting and coaching job he was already doing just ticked me off a little.

I know. That post was in reference of some clown that came on here and posted something stupid.

Twice mind you in different threads.
 

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The link takes me to the wrong thing... so I have a question:

Who were the two backs that ND took that year as opposed to this kid? Regardless of how good or bad he was that was an improper way to handle recruiting him (downright Meyer-ish if you ask me). Glad he has done well at Cal, and if they play Ty I hope the kid gets 500 yards in the game.

You have to go to Notre Dame's 2004 class. Anyway they were Darius Walker, and Justin Hoskins. Junior Jabbie also came in that year but he was recruited as a DB. That class only had 16 total commitments, two 4:s:, eight 3:s:, and six 2:s:. Of which 7 of the 16 are still here, and only about 5 of those 7 contribute in any significant way on the field.
 

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Are there any other players that we could have gotten but Ty whiffed on?

What was his excuse as to why we sucked in recruiting those 2 years anyway?
 
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You have to go to Notre Dame's 2004 class. Anyway they were Darius Walker, and Justin Hoskins. Junior Jabbie also came in that year but he was recruited as a DB. That class only had 16 total commitments, two 4:s:, eight 3:s:, and six 2:s:. Of which 7 of the 16 are still here, and only about 5 of those 7 contribute in any significant way on the field.

Wowwww for as little stock as I put in stars.....wow. I didn't realize our bread and butter was in the 2/3 star range, I had though we just had a lot of 3 stars (or a few, ugh). If Cal can beat SC then I don't mind him being there.
 

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The link takes me to the wrong thing... so I have a question:

Who were the two backs that ND took that year as opposed to this kid? Regardless of how good or bad he was that was an improper way to handle recruiting him (downright Meyer-ish if you ask me). Glad he has done well at Cal, and if they play Ty I hope the kid gets 500 yards in the game.

It might not be players that we took so much as players we offered. We may have offered other backs that committed to other schools. Ty's followup was obviously so poor that he may have thought he had commits that he really didn't. Not sure, I wasn't following recruiting at that time. I remember reading on another message board that we didn't know until the last minute whether Zibby was coming to ND--found out when he picked up the hat on signing day. Sheesh.

Are there any other players that we could have gotten but Ty whiffed on?

What was his excuse as to why we sucked in recruiting those 2 years anyway?

I don't recall ever hearing an excuse on why his recruiting was so poor. My guess is that he worked as hard on recruiting at ND as he did at Stanford, without realizing that ND has completely different recruiting needs than Stanford. I mean, if you look at his last class, it's decent by Stanford standards.
 

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It was during Tys tenure that Poz 1 went to PSU. To be fair, he wasn't the player he is today coming out of high school. Others have said that he was a 3-star rated recruit at the time (I have never checked on the validity of this). That being said, I would hope that the three-star players that we pick up are picked up because the coaching staff has the ability to recognize when a player has a high ceiling even if they don't have crazy numbers to show at the HS level, ala Poz 2.
 

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It was during Tys tenure that Poz 1 went to PSU. To be fair, he wasn't the player he is today coming out of high school. Others have said that he was a 3-star rated recruit at the time (I have never checked on the validity of this). That being said, I would hope that the three-star players that we pick up are picked up because the coaching staff has the ability to recognize when a player has a high ceiling even if they don't have crazy numbers to show at the HS level, ala Poz 2.

Yes, that's true. It's also true that you can find quality 3 star players, everyone doesn't have to be a four or five star, but when looking at the 3 star guys, you should try to find the ones with some fire, passion, a hard work ethic (high motor guys), and great leadership abilities. Possible example include AJ Hawk, Paul Poz., Mike Hart, Jeff Samardzija, etc. The one that will most likely be the ones to fail are the ones with good size, mabe even better size than some other 3 or 4 stars, but they lack the qualities that I previously mentioned.

BTW, I think I'm going to move this to the recruiting forum.
 
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The staff went after Kerry Neal before anyone else and he was a three star player at that time. That being said I think this staff has an ideal of what they want out of players, CB went after Smith when he got here and the kid looks like he will be a good player.
 

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Wow, there you go. What a dumbass. Was Willingham the coach when we failed to offer Paul Posluszny, too?

Now this makes it that much worse for me as a student at Cal ... I have to hear about how good the effing team is all the time, and with the knowledge that their best player could have been playing for us. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.

:banghead2

Oh, I didn't realize you were writing your dissertation at berkeley. What area?

(For some reason I always miss the obvious, "location" under your name.)
 

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I know. That post was in reference of some clown that came on here and posted something stupid.

Twice mind you in different threads.

lol.

I hope it works out for Ty, I just hope it works out even better for CW, so we can stop with the invalid, asinine comparisons.
 
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