Just wanted to point out a few things to those that want Charlie fired or to resign. This genius title that he has was not something he gave himself. The NFL announcers and studio show host gave him that title when he was at New England and they were winning with no real superstars on offense. I doubt that he has Charlie Weis Super Genius painted on his door, or his business card or anything else. Take a look at some of the coaches that are currently at the top of their field and they all failed either at their current job or a previous one. One thing rings true, they were successfully when they has talent and players that could play for them, not players who were talented or built for another system.. Joe Torre, now thought of as a HOF coach, had a losing record with the Mets, Braves and Cardinals. I love Joe T, but it is funny how talent makes him a baseball genius. Pete Carroll was a .500 coach in the NFL with the Pats and Jets and can someone tell me what the Pats did the year after he left. He did not start out a ball of fire with USC either. Nick Saban was pretty avg at MSU also. I think even Rockne and Leahy lost a game or two or had a bad year. So before we throw Charlie off this great ship give him some time. Time to learn his job as head coach and time to get the players he recruitied to understand his system
Those calling for Charlie to be fired or resign
- Thread starter MeanGreen
- Start date
loomis41973
Banned
- Messages
- 4,055
- Reaction score
- 203
Those calling for Charlie to be fired or resign....should be banned and buried alive.
Agreed
B
bruno1953
Guest
Give Charlie a chance! He'll turn this team around, if not this year, next year looks pretty good.
Besides, who would you get to come here and coach?
Charlie is no quitter, and he'll make his team the same way.
So, get behind the team and Charlie. We'll be on top soon again!!!
GO IRISH!!!
Besides, who would you get to come here and coach?
Charlie is no quitter, and he'll make his team the same way.
So, get behind the team and Charlie. We'll be on top soon again!!!
GO IRISH!!!
Mare426
New member
- Messages
- 163
- Reaction score
- 2
We have to give him and his program a chance. The Irish are not use to losing. We have to have some patience right now which is very difficult for those of us who count the days until football season starts every year. The Irish are a very young team. I thought they looked better yesterday then they did in the last three games so I think we are making some progress. Not as much as I would like but progress nonetheless.
NDFan4Life
Forum Regular
- Messages
- 1,967
- Reaction score
- 254
Excellent post!
That's something people just don't seem to understand. Even though CW doesn't like the term "rebuilding", that's exactly what's going on. This is, indeed, a very young team. They're not used to playing together. They all have different ways of doing and learning things. Some take longer than others. Eventually, they'll become the most powerful team in college football.
GO IRISH!!!
marv81s
v v v KamaraPolice's GF
- Messages
- 1,463
- Reaction score
- 66
even ESPN's demigods Meyer and Poodle couldn't win with who we are playing right now, the lineups on D and O are very young and getting more and more experienced every game, the juniors and seniors are, to be quite honest, MAC level talent from ESPN's boy, TY, those two recruiting classes were ranked 30-40th by Rivals.
The cockwad down in Fla saw the level of talent he would be stuck with, therefore took the easy route to florida since Zooker left him pretty well stocked there.
Laugh it up this year haters, next year and especially in 09 ND will be back amongst the elite and you can take that too the bank. Weis isn't going anywhere
The cockwad down in Fla saw the level of talent he would be stuck with, therefore took the easy route to florida since Zooker left him pretty well stocked there.
Laugh it up this year haters, next year and especially in 09 ND will be back amongst the elite and you can take that too the bank. Weis isn't going anywhere
Unfortunately I have had to say it numerous times this year to people laughing at me for ND. He who laughs last laugh loudest!!! We will be back, maybe even next year but most certainly the following year. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you reach success. We are at the bottom now, so be patient glory days are just ahead! I do not think CW will let anything close to this happen again, so when he gets us back to the top people better get use to seeing us there for years. Winning breeds success and if he is getting recruits now, what will happen when he is winning, sending numerous kids to the NFL, and doing it right!
M
mexicanirish
Guest
TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!
M
Moostache
Guest
I want to believe that ND will resume its place among the truly elite college programs, but this season has shaken my faith (not erradicated it mind you, just shaken it).
The lack of depth and upperclass talent is almost as well documented now as the JFK assassination - and it seems to have almost as many interpretations to boot. What has shaken my confidence is not 0-4 or losing to MSU and GT (or even PSU). It is the WAY those games have been lost. It is way the team got annihilated at Michigan and did not so much as put up a fight in the process. It is the way a 17-14 halftime deficeit became a 31-14 loss last week as the progress of the first half was washed away in second half ineptitude, again...looking for all the world to be ANOTHER replay of the GT/PSU games.
It is disheartening to see the O-Line of the future for all intents and purposes look THIS inept! For highly rated guys coming out of high school, with good physical size and speed and intelligence to be so overwhelmed week in and week out is surreal. I remember a year ago saying that the O-line problems would be better THIS year - not NEXT year! We as fans thought that the super-Soph's would start to join Young as the anchors for potential MNC runs in 2008 and 2009.
The lack of coherence is one thing. Lack of experience is another, but the fact is that even in one-on-one situations and short yardage plays (where the most complicated thought before the snap is "maul the man directly in front of me"), this group is attrocious. They are either a massive collection of overrated players who ALL stink, or they are severely undercoached. Their footwork is bad. Their balance is worse. Their technique is flawed or altogether horrible. Their tennacity is M.I.A. Their execution, to borrow from John McKay, would be a good idea. It is utterly confounding to watch.
There is another thread here today looking at the projected 2-deep roster for next year. The scary thing? Almost everyone on the offense is back (sans Sullivan and Carlson), which SHOULD be cause for optimism and hope; BUT, the freshmen class of 2006 - our current sophomores and next year's 'leaders' and seasoned vets, with all of its 'stud' linemen and future starts ahead, still can't seem to get anything right for extended periods.
This is fully 1/3rd of the way through the season. That's asking a bit much to think that the IRish can be anything close to good enough to compete for titles without an insane level of improvement from this point forward - a sustained effort on EVERY play the way one drive was executed against MSU. It is just hard to see how this team next year will be much better unless there are quatum leaps forward on the O-Line.
Somewhat lost in the mini-euphoria of actually having positive rushing yards on Saturday was the fact that 43 of it came on a single play (where Aldridge showed he clearly does not possess break away speed and is no threat to take a ball to the house) and another 18 came on the exact same play the very next snap with Hughes. That's more than 1/2 the TOTAL rushing yards in the game on exactly 2 plays (really the exact same trap-draw play run twice!) and a host of other gaffes (penalties, missed assignments, etc.) and blown-up plays and missed blocks on promising looking screen plays both before and after those two very positive runs. I am finding really hard to hang my hat on 2 running plays and convince myself that this team has the makings of a semi-competent power rushing team in the season's second half...the facts do not support this theory.
I thought that the O-Line was addressed and that future recruiting efforts would be needed to bring in quality depth and the future road graders for 2010 and beyond...right now, and I can't believe this true, I would actually give away this entire O-Line and their wonderful 'potential' for a group of 5 guys who actually hit the other team more than they hit the turf. I am so sickened by whiffed blocks and linemen not helping Jimmy up after a sack because they are too busy getting THEMSELVES off the ground that I could spit nails. The fact is that I should not be 1/1000th as angry about this as those players though...I am just a fan, not a player, and obviously not a teammate. There were times, watching the MSU game slowly come apart at the seams, that I was so angry about it I wished I could grab one of them and kick them in the ass and tell them that it was no where NEAR good enough. That the effort was just not even in the same league or even sport as 'good enough'. That is a CHASM to cross between horrifically bad and 'competent', not to mention that championship O-Lines are about that much better again that 'competent' ones.
Without a massive and consistent gain in the performance from this O-Line in the next 4 weeks, culminating in a fantastic performance against USC, this season will be a total loss and next season will be an even bigger question mark. I already consider the final 4 games as next year's pre-season (and seeing as I have a hard time finding 6 winnable games at this point, they will also have to serve as added practice time for next year's players....I would think that after USC the only time a 5th year guy should be on the field at all is for Senior Day).
The quality of those last 4 opponents at one point seemed so poor that it was ridiculous to even think ND could lose to any of them - right now, I'm not so sure that is not equally insane to think ND could BEAT any of them. Regardless of wins and losses though, what remains missing from this group is any semblence at all of toughness, of grit, of determination that can be sustained longer than TWO FREAKING PLAYS!!!! Their body language after yet another horrifying play does not scream "FRUSTRATED" to me...it screams "SOFT" and "NON-CHALANT".
Until I witness those things utterly removed from the field on Saturdays, I just cannot believe that real improvement is possible without more turnover (in coaching ranks or players). I have become so desperate to see competent offensive line play that I swear people who saw me watching these games would think I was possessed - screaming at the screen, begging for someone, anyone to actually HIT someone - the best block of the MSU game was actually thrown by George West (all 188 lbs of him!). It is a thoroughly depressing scene playing out week after week, and until I can actually see a game with 60 full minutes of O-line play that does not have Joe Moore rolling in the grave, I just can't see much hope in this year or the next couple years to be honest. If this O-line problem is not addressed and fixed THIS year, before the USC game, then I have grave doubts about Coach Weis making into a year 5.....
The lack of depth and upperclass talent is almost as well documented now as the JFK assassination - and it seems to have almost as many interpretations to boot. What has shaken my confidence is not 0-4 or losing to MSU and GT (or even PSU). It is the WAY those games have been lost. It is way the team got annihilated at Michigan and did not so much as put up a fight in the process. It is the way a 17-14 halftime deficeit became a 31-14 loss last week as the progress of the first half was washed away in second half ineptitude, again...looking for all the world to be ANOTHER replay of the GT/PSU games.
It is disheartening to see the O-Line of the future for all intents and purposes look THIS inept! For highly rated guys coming out of high school, with good physical size and speed and intelligence to be so overwhelmed week in and week out is surreal. I remember a year ago saying that the O-line problems would be better THIS year - not NEXT year! We as fans thought that the super-Soph's would start to join Young as the anchors for potential MNC runs in 2008 and 2009.
The lack of coherence is one thing. Lack of experience is another, but the fact is that even in one-on-one situations and short yardage plays (where the most complicated thought before the snap is "maul the man directly in front of me"), this group is attrocious. They are either a massive collection of overrated players who ALL stink, or they are severely undercoached. Their footwork is bad. Their balance is worse. Their technique is flawed or altogether horrible. Their tennacity is M.I.A. Their execution, to borrow from John McKay, would be a good idea. It is utterly confounding to watch.
There is another thread here today looking at the projected 2-deep roster for next year. The scary thing? Almost everyone on the offense is back (sans Sullivan and Carlson), which SHOULD be cause for optimism and hope; BUT, the freshmen class of 2006 - our current sophomores and next year's 'leaders' and seasoned vets, with all of its 'stud' linemen and future starts ahead, still can't seem to get anything right for extended periods.
This is fully 1/3rd of the way through the season. That's asking a bit much to think that the IRish can be anything close to good enough to compete for titles without an insane level of improvement from this point forward - a sustained effort on EVERY play the way one drive was executed against MSU. It is just hard to see how this team next year will be much better unless there are quatum leaps forward on the O-Line.
Somewhat lost in the mini-euphoria of actually having positive rushing yards on Saturday was the fact that 43 of it came on a single play (where Aldridge showed he clearly does not possess break away speed and is no threat to take a ball to the house) and another 18 came on the exact same play the very next snap with Hughes. That's more than 1/2 the TOTAL rushing yards in the game on exactly 2 plays (really the exact same trap-draw play run twice!) and a host of other gaffes (penalties, missed assignments, etc.) and blown-up plays and missed blocks on promising looking screen plays both before and after those two very positive runs. I am finding really hard to hang my hat on 2 running plays and convince myself that this team has the makings of a semi-competent power rushing team in the season's second half...the facts do not support this theory.
I thought that the O-Line was addressed and that future recruiting efforts would be needed to bring in quality depth and the future road graders for 2010 and beyond...right now, and I can't believe this true, I would actually give away this entire O-Line and their wonderful 'potential' for a group of 5 guys who actually hit the other team more than they hit the turf. I am so sickened by whiffed blocks and linemen not helping Jimmy up after a sack because they are too busy getting THEMSELVES off the ground that I could spit nails. The fact is that I should not be 1/1000th as angry about this as those players though...I am just a fan, not a player, and obviously not a teammate. There were times, watching the MSU game slowly come apart at the seams, that I was so angry about it I wished I could grab one of them and kick them in the ass and tell them that it was no where NEAR good enough. That the effort was just not even in the same league or even sport as 'good enough'. That is a CHASM to cross between horrifically bad and 'competent', not to mention that championship O-Lines are about that much better again that 'competent' ones.
Without a massive and consistent gain in the performance from this O-Line in the next 4 weeks, culminating in a fantastic performance against USC, this season will be a total loss and next season will be an even bigger question mark. I already consider the final 4 games as next year's pre-season (and seeing as I have a hard time finding 6 winnable games at this point, they will also have to serve as added practice time for next year's players....I would think that after USC the only time a 5th year guy should be on the field at all is for Senior Day).
The quality of those last 4 opponents at one point seemed so poor that it was ridiculous to even think ND could lose to any of them - right now, I'm not so sure that is not equally insane to think ND could BEAT any of them. Regardless of wins and losses though, what remains missing from this group is any semblence at all of toughness, of grit, of determination that can be sustained longer than TWO FREAKING PLAYS!!!! Their body language after yet another horrifying play does not scream "FRUSTRATED" to me...it screams "SOFT" and "NON-CHALANT".
Until I witness those things utterly removed from the field on Saturdays, I just cannot believe that real improvement is possible without more turnover (in coaching ranks or players). I have become so desperate to see competent offensive line play that I swear people who saw me watching these games would think I was possessed - screaming at the screen, begging for someone, anyone to actually HIT someone - the best block of the MSU game was actually thrown by George West (all 188 lbs of him!). It is a thoroughly depressing scene playing out week after week, and until I can actually see a game with 60 full minutes of O-line play that does not have Joe Moore rolling in the grave, I just can't see much hope in this year or the next couple years to be honest. If this O-line problem is not addressed and fixed THIS year, before the USC game, then I have grave doubts about Coach Weis making into a year 5.....
You worry too much
The explaination and point/counterpoint of everything here has been explained/viewed/skewed etc ad nauseum. If you get angry during the game kick a fan (like the floor type, not one with two legs), that works for me.
They will be better, and there is not a chance in hell next year doesn't look completely different.
The explaination and point/counterpoint of everything here has been explained/viewed/skewed etc ad nauseum. If you get angry during the game kick a fan (like the floor type, not one with two legs), that works for me.
They will be better, and there is not a chance in hell next year doesn't look completely different.
WaveDomer
Well-known member
- Messages
- 1,356
- Reaction score
- 307
The Problem
The Problem
Part of the problem in sports today is the very fast coaching carousel. It's not good for any program to shuffle coaches in and out of it. It is especially bad for college where kids want to be comfortable in a system. This is why the hiring process is so crucial. Hire the right guy, then you can be confident during the lean years and not worry about it. Look at the Rooney family. It's still early, but it looks like they pulled it off again with Tomlin. They stuck with Cowher when it got tough and he delivered a Super Bowl. It's different if the coach doesn't want to stay, which is part of why I believe Willingham was let go. But if you go through a good hiring process and the guy is doing a credible job in terms of graduating kids etc., and he wants to be there, stick it out.
The Problem
Part of the problem in sports today is the very fast coaching carousel. It's not good for any program to shuffle coaches in and out of it. It is especially bad for college where kids want to be comfortable in a system. This is why the hiring process is so crucial. Hire the right guy, then you can be confident during the lean years and not worry about it. Look at the Rooney family. It's still early, but it looks like they pulled it off again with Tomlin. They stuck with Cowher when it got tough and he delivered a Super Bowl. It's different if the coach doesn't want to stay, which is part of why I believe Willingham was let go. But if you go through a good hiring process and the guy is doing a credible job in terms of graduating kids etc., and he wants to be there, stick it out.