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The “Shadow Party” was a term devised by journalists to describe 527 political committees promoting Democratic Party agendas. It is specifically refered to the network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros and others to mobilize resources – money, get-out-the-vote drives, campaign advertising and policy iniatives – to elect Democratic candidates and guide the Democratic Party further left. A well known Internet fund-raising operation MoveOn.org is a key component. The Shadow Party was conceived and organized principally by Soros, Hillary Clinton and Harold Ickes. Its efforts are coordinated with, key government unions and the activist groups associated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). The key organizers of these groups are veterans of the Sixties left.

Of course the Right would NEVER start up a bunch of "unrelated" organizations designed to hide the drivers of them...LOL

Richard Mellon Scaife comes to mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mellon_Scaife
So does the Bradley Foundation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Foundation

The funded all kinds of efforts designed to malign people and influence elections.
 

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If you truly believe that BOTH people voted they way they did for 14 years straight...then a good laugh is in order.

If you don't believe that, fine. But to think that B.Clinton pushed moderate opinions for 8 years so his wife could be elected in 2008...that's a serious stretch of fantasy.



Of course Reid will criticize Bush...Bush rarely does anything moderate. (except on Foreign Trade agreements, I think he's done a decent job there) Also, Reid is the head of the opposition party...just as Gingrich did with Clinton, Reid uses Bush as his foil.

Murtha's desire to pull out of Iraq in no way makes him liberal. Those two issues are not connected. Murtha was known by all in the military as a true friend and supporter of the military. Then one day he says "it's time to bring them home, this whole thing is screwed up." In no way does that change his position. He believes that the best thing to do for the troops is to bring them home. His 30+ year record with the military supports his views and is in no way "liberal". It is a differing viewpoint though. And if he were a Republican he would not be catching hell.


You lost some respect from that one.
It is not about just 'pulling out of Iraq', we all want to pull out of Iraq. It is about Murtha and Kerryand the 'Hate America crowd' who calls our soldiers criminals and terrorists, and does support our fine troops while in harms way. UNFORGIVABLE
 

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I never said that Bill acted in any way so that his wife could look moderate. That would be foolish to suggest. Everyone on the right that I know believes Hilary is 'fronting'.

I'm not sure she is even doing a good job at at fronting, as HILLARY is the 32nd most liberal senator, behind REID at 23rd, and OBAMA at the 10th most liberal senator.
 
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You lost some respect from that one.
It is not about just 'pulling out of Iraq', we all want to pull out of Iraq. It is about Murtha and Kerryand the 'Hate America crowd' who calls our soldiers criminals and terrorists, and does support our fine troops while in harms way. UNFORGIVABLE

You mean like demanding that troops be brought home by specific date right...maybe even before they are committed? That would be unforgivable as well? Right?

Murtha did not call them terrorists...not even close. And he feels a moral obligation to bring them home. He has only one avenue to pursue.
 

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I never said that Bill acted in any way so that his wife could look moderate. That would be foolish to suggest. Everyone on the right that I know believes Hilary is 'fronting'.

They say that because they want to believe it. It's not based in fact or history. It's based on what they want to believe.

Most on the far left can't stand her because she is a hawk. Which should not be a shocker since seeing what the President faces on a day-to-day basis can quickly eliminate any starry-eyed preceonceptions one has about how the President should be some cure-all/savior/etc.

It's a tough and ugly job where you order people to their deaths. Anyone who has seen it up close gets changed.
 
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Who in America today is at work destroying our traditions, our family bonds, our religious beginnings, our reinforcing institutions, indeed, our entire culture? What is it that is changing our American civilization?

“It’s a conspiracy, they are only trying to get Democrats elected!!!” This is not meant to mock that poster.

Most Americans do not yet realize that they are being led by social revolutionaries who think in terms of the destruction of the existing social order in order to create a new social order in the world. These revolutionaries are the New Age elite Boomers, the New Totalitarians. They now control every public institution in the United States of America. Their 'quiet' revolution, beginning with the counter-culture revolution of their youth, it was based on the intellectual foundation of the 'cultural Marxists' of the Frankfurt School, and is now nearly complete.

'Cultural Marxism' and 'critical theory' are concepts developed by a group of German intellectuals, who, in 1923 in Germany, founded the Institute of Social Research at Frankfurt University. The Institute, modeled after the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow, became known as the Frankfurt School.

Herbert Marcuse was one of the most prominent Frankfurt School promoters of Critical Theory's social revolution among college and university students in the 1960s. The vehicle for this introduction was the idealistic Boomer elite, those young middle-class and well-to-do college students who became the vanguard of America's counter-culture revolution of the mid-1960s – they were the draft-dodging, pot-smoking, hippies who demonstrated against the Vietnam War and who fomented the 'women's liberation' movement. These New Totalitarians are now in power as they have come to middle-age and control every public institution in our nation.

We won the 55-year Cold War but, while winning it abroad, we have failed to understand that an intellectual elite has subtly but systematically and surely converted the economic theory of Marx to culture in American society.

There is some much work to do, and so little time.
 

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I'm not sure about what you said, as I have not done any research on the above. I do know that many are at work doing things such as:

1) Devaluing the elderly and children
2) Removing/minimizing any Christian reference in public (without regard to our history)
3) Pushing the self as all-important in contrast to morals/values. (secular agenda)
4) Putting forth the idea that America is guilty/not a force of good
5) Not supporting the military or its mission.
 

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Who in America today is at work destroying our traditions, our family bonds, our religious beginnings, our reinforcing institutions, indeed, our entire culture? What is it that is changing our American civilization...

Most Americans do not yet realize that they are being led by social revolutionaries who think in terms of the destruction of the existing social order in order to create a new social order in the world. These revolutionaries are the New Age elite Boomers, the New Totalitarians. They now control every public institution in the United States of America. Their 'quiet' revolution, beginning with the counter-culture revolution of their youth, it was based on the intellectual foundation of the 'cultural Marxists' of the Frankfurt School, and is now nearly complete.

'Cultural Marxism' and 'critical theory' are concepts developed by a group of German intellectuals, who, in 1923 in Germany, founded the Institute of Social Research at Frankfurt University. The Institute, modeled after the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow, became known as the Frankfurt School.

Herbert Marcuse was one of the most prominent Frankfurt School promoters of Critical Theory's social revolution among college and university students in the 1960s. The vehicle for this introduction was the idealistic Boomer elite, those young middle-class and well-to-do college students who became the vanguard of America's counter-culture revolution of the mid-1960s – they were the draft-dodging, pot-smoking, hippies who demonstrated against the Vietnam War and who fomented the 'women's liberation' movement. These New Totalitarians are now in power as they have come to middle-age and control every public institution in our nation.

We won the 55-year Cold War but, while winning it abroad, we have failed to understand that an intellectual elite has subtly but systematically and surely converted the economic theory of Marx to culture in American society.

There is some much work to do, and so little time.

Dude...get your own material if you want to argue with me...don't bring lousy articles by conspiracy nuts.
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/FrankfurtSchool.html
 

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I'm not sure about what you said, as I have not done any research on the above. I do know that many are at work doing things such as:

1) Devaluing the elderly and children
2) Removing/minimizing any Christian reference in public (without regard to our history)
3) Pushing the self as all-important in contrast to morals/values. (secular agenda)
4) Putting forth the idea that America is guilty/not a force of good
5) Not supporting the military or its mission.

1) I think it's harsh to say Republicans are doing this, but they sure try.
2) Our History dictates that the government does not promote on religion over another. Which is why if you want a Holiday display it is permissible if you open it up.
3) Morals and values are a key part of most secular agendas. Dems are huge on morals/values...always have been. For instace, not letting children go hungry is a big Dem issue...which of course they get attacked for EVERY YEAR.
4) Dems never push this. Some far left and far right wingers do. Timothy McVeigh, Montana Militiamen, many hippies...etc.
5) Well this pretty much rules out both parties then.
 
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Reference "Code Pink" they frequently demonstrate at Walter Reed by making coffins and placing dead Troops names on them while parading around the enterance of the Hosptial.... a tasteless act.....They have the support of Cindy Sheehan....what a tool she is.
 

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I think that is deplorable. Of course, it is all for the sake of the 'troops' and they are all certainly pro-American. Indeed.

Criticizing the war is one thing. Disagreeing with Bush on how to fight terror is fine. To drag soldiers and their families into the political arena is sickening. Have they no shame.
 

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Kind of like the CNN reporter who was chuckling/laughing at a press conference given by John McCain. In Iraq, no less!!!

Anyone out there who still believes the press is unbiased needs to wake up, or just watch the White House daily briefing with reporters such as Helen Thomas and David Gregory.
 

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Actually, Reid, Murtha, and Clinton are moderates as attested to by their voting records.

Yago was talking to a secretive Socialist agenda...he was not talking only about military voting patterns.

Our country was not attacked by Iraq or it's subordinates...thus saying we were attacked is silly.

If you believe Hillary's voting record defines her true beliefs...you're gullible. She's been setting the stage for her Presidency since winning the Senate & knew she'd have to appear moderate while biding her time.
 
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Senator Murtha is a war hero and an icon within the Marine Corps community. He spent 37+ years in the Marine Corps moving up the ranks from Private to Colonel. However, his view of the Hiditha report Abu Garib and other vital aspects of the war is similir to that of Senator Kerry. Senator Murtha wants to undercut the military and put them at harms way. If the funding is cut, who gets to decide what troops come home ???? Congress or the mission commanders ??? Do the Combat arms come home and the Special Operations guys stay ??? Do the Combat Support or Combat Service Support Soldiers come home and leave the Combat arms guys with too small logistical capabilities to complete both missions and sustainment ????
If Congress wants to cut off the funding why then are they all in agree to up the total numbe of troops from 520,00 to 575,000 ??? What is the basis for this, everyone is saying that the Army is broke and that the quality of Soldier is not the same. Yet congress isn't stepping in to curb this......

My main problem with the war is that most of the General's who opposed the former SecDef were afraid to stick there necks out and tell him that there was a great possibilty that he was wrong in the number of troops needed (though this is very debatable i.e. occupier vs liberator). Now that they are Ret Generals they are more then willing to speak there peace and write books about it. Where was there obligation to the troops ? At what point do you set aside your own personal gain, and take one for the troops ? The greatest part of the Army is the Soldier, The Private, The Specialist, The Sergeant, it has nothing to do with the equipment....All the equipment in the world does no good if the individual Soldier doesn't know how to apply it to a tactical situation. The General officers who went down without a fight to Former SecDef Rumsfield should be held accountable.
 

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Murtha is more moderate in voting than most of the vocal democrats. However, when you attack our troops, you go to the top of the list.

Murtha is a congressman.
 

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What is telling to me is that the libs demanded Bush get rid of Rumsfeld, he did. They demanded that the strategy change, it did. They said that more troops were needed awhile ago, they were. They demanded that progress be shown, it has now for more than a month.

No matter what happens, the libs will badmouth the war to gain political advantage. Sic!
Now, if they truly believed that 'Not one more American should die in Iraq!" as has been stated. Then why play games with funding and timetables?? Stop the funding NOW! The problem is that, once again, politics comes into play. They don't want to be blamed for the failure/debacle that would occur in Iraq if we left tomorrow.

Another example of politics coming before America, or its soldiers.
 

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You know her husband voted the same way she has for his entire 8 years in office.

So you are saying that B.Clinton's 8 years + H.Clinton's 6 years were all a cover for HER Presidential race? hahahahahahaha

Leftists do not get elected from Nevada, plain and simple. Reid is a moderate, always has been...that's why he got the leadership position of the Senate over the true leftists... The DNC wanted someone in there that was better representative of America that someone like Kennedy.

This horse has already been beaten in an earlier debate. When Slick got comfortable he started leaning back to his left wing roots both as governor of AR & as President. Both times led to a defeat. He lost his re-election for governor to Frank White (the last man to beat him in an election) & his 1st term actions (along w/ Hillary's help) as President led to Congress shifting from decades of Democratic control to the Republican "revolution" of 1994. The common thread of both defeats, was that he brought Dick Morris in to right the ship. She even changed her name from Hillary Rodham to Hillary Clinton for 1982's election campaign to appeal to the moderate voters. Like most of America, Billary (or is it now HillBilly) has you fooled. Give the cat credit...he's a savvy career politican who knows how to appeal to the masses. In fact, I don't think the dude ever held a job in the private sector. I could be wrong, so why don't you look it up on Wikipedia & let me know (seriously, I don't mean that in an Eddie Haskell way).
 
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and rightly so. He is a conservative by the 'R' only. Bush is not perfect in everything. I think immigration (he was down at the border) needs to be fixed!
 

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If you truly believe that BOTH people voted they way they did for 14 years straight...then a good laugh is in order.

If you don't believe that, fine. But to think that B.Clinton pushed moderate opinions for 8 years so his wife could be elected in 2008...that's a serious stretch of fantasy.



Of course Reid will criticize Bush...Bush rarely does anything moderate. (except on Foreign Trade agreements, I think he's done a decent job there) Also, Reid is the head of the opposition party...just as Gingrich did with Clinton, Reid uses Bush as his foil.

Murtha's desire to pull out of Iraq in no way makes him liberal. Those two issues are not connected. Murtha was known by all in the military as a true friend and supporter of the military. Then one day he says "it's time to bring them home, this whole thing is screwed up." In no way does that change his position. He believes that the best thing to do for the troops is to bring them home. His 30+ year record with the military supports his views and is in no way "liberal". It is a differing viewpoint though. And if he were a Republican he would not be catching hell.

LOL...no worries. I can't stand Code Pink...they are ignoring the harsh reality of the situation.

Pelosi is from the Bay Area...I am surprised she has not pseudo-aligned herself.

If she TRULY supported her district she would give no ground on cutting off funding completely as well as a public timetable. However, she never really worked hard to cut off funding...

Her constituents are that dumb, no doubt about that.

You're right about Pelosi. Maybe she'd temper her statements more were the Presidio still in SF.
 

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1) I think it's harsh to say Republicans are doing this, but they sure try.
2) Our History dictates that the government does not promote on religion over another. Which is why if you want a Holiday display it is permissible if you open it up.
3) Morals and values are a key part of most secular agendas. Dems are huge on morals/values...always have been. For instace, not letting children go hungry is a big Dem issue...which of course they get attacked for EVERY YEAR.
4) Dems never push this. Some far left and far right wingers do. Timothy McVeigh, Montana Militiamen, many hippies...etc.
5) Well this pretty much rules out both parties then.


1) I assumed Stoney was referring to euthanasia & abortion (if I'm wrong, please disregard). I don't know of many Reps. that have come out in support of these. I can't imagine a conservative coming out in favor of either.
2) No religion gets bashed like Christianity. The fact is, the the majority of Americans are Christians (or claim to be). You say anything negative about Islam or Judaism & your drawn & quartered by the media. Say something negative or blame Christianity for something & your "high fived" by the liberal elites w/ no reprucusions, no apologies, no "hate crimes".
 
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RE: Irishmylove; I’m not here to argue with anyone; I full well realize Liberalism is a mental illness. I attempted to engage in a coherent discussion, but churning out illiterate attacks without addressing any facts was a severe miscalculation of your mental prowess. I realize it’s difficult to have a simple conservation; much less engage in free-ranging, open scientific inquiry when Liberals are constantly rushing to their conspiracy rule book; but keep in mind your ‘08’ champion ran to the TV networks whining about a “vast right wing cabal”.

Read the books from which the footnotes were taken and there may be hope.
 

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Reference "Code Pink" they frequently demonstrate at Walter Reed by making coffins and placing dead Troops names on them while parading around the enterance of the Hosptial.... a tasteless act.....They have the support of Cindy Sheehan....what a tool she is.

Ironically, they enjoy this freedom b/c of troops like you who sacrifice their lives for all those rights & freedoms that we enjoy. BTW, thanks for your sacrifice.:usa:
 

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and rightly so. He is a conservative by the 'R' only. Bush is not perfect in everything. I think immigration (he was down at the border) needs to be fixed!

To be honest, I haven't kept up w/ his entire voting record, but I thought he ran & served on conservative values. I give folks like him the benefit of the doubt, b/c they actually served in combat. Same w/ Murtha, McCain & others. Then there's a silver-spooned elitist like Kerry who ruins it for all ex-military politicians.
 

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Senator Murtha is a war hero and an icon within the Marine Corps community. He spent 37+ years in the Marine Corps moving up the ranks from Private to Colonel. However, his view of the Hiditha report Abu Garib and other vital aspects of the war is similir to that of Senator Kerry. Senator Murtha wants to undercut the military and put them at harms way. If the funding is cut, who gets to decide what troops come home ???? Congress or the mission commanders ??? Do the Combat arms come home and the Special Operations guys stay ??? Do the Combat Support or Combat Service Support Soldiers come home and leave the Combat arms guys with too small logistical capabilities to complete both missions and sustainment ????
If Congress wants to cut off the funding why then are they all in agree to up the total numbe of troops from 520,00 to 575,000 ??? What is the basis for this, everyone is saying that the Army is broke and that the quality of Soldier is not the same. Yet congress isn't stepping in to curb this......

My main problem with the war is that most of the General's who opposed the former SecDef were afraid to stick there necks out and tell him that there was a great possibilty that he was wrong in the number of troops needed (though this is very debatable i.e. occupier vs liberator). Now that they are Ret Generals they are more then willing to speak there peace and write books about it. Where was there obligation to the troops ? At what point do you set aside your own personal gain, and take one for the troops ? The greatest part of the Army is the Soldier, The Private, The Specialist, The Sergeant, it has nothing to do with the equipment....All the equipment in the world does no good if the individual Soldier doesn't know how to apply it to a tactical situation. The General officers who went down without a fight to Former SecDef Rumsfield should be held accountable.

Some prisoners at Abu Ghraib were humiliated b/c they posed for some sophomoric photos or were made to wear panties. Uh, if that's the worse that happens to you in prison, then we need to get tougher. Listening to specialists, incl Navy Seals, I heard them describe their hostage training as pretty damn intense. In fact, their "captors" are permitted to break 2 bones in their hands before allowing them to stop. So we treat our own more physically & mentally harsher in training than our actual prisoners.
 

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1) I assumed Stoney was referring to euthanasia & abortion (if I'm wrong, please disregard). I don't know of many Reps. that have come out in support of these. I can't imagine a conservative coming out in favor of either.
2) No religion gets bashed like Christianity. The fact is, the the majority of Americans are Christians (or claim to be). You say anything negative about Islam or Judaism & your drawn & quartered by the media. Say something negative or blame Christianity for something & your "high fived" by the liberal elites w/ no reprucusions, no apologies, no "hate crimes".

Hit the nail on the head. Bashing Christians is a national sport. Christian conservative has a negative connotation nowadays. The 'tolerant' ones are showing how tolerant they really are.
 
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