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Whether you like Kerry or not. Hillary (beer keg legs) or not. One has to admit they have flip-flopped on alot of issues. There are many reasons, but the main one is the constant pandering that must take place to the different interest groups. Having only two major parties is hurting the discourse in this country. I say we have at least 2 groups on the left, 2 on the right, and maybe one in the middle (call it the american party!) . That way, it would be alot easier to identify where a politician is coming from, and maybe, just maybe, lessen the power and influence of a few people and their leaders. It may never happen, but wouldn't it be nice..
 
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Whether you like Kerry or not. Hillary (beer keg legs) or not. One has to admit they have flip-flopped on alot of issues. There are many reasons, but the main one is the constant pandering that must take place to the different interest groups. Having only two major parties is hurting the discourse in this country. I say we have at least 2 groups on the left, 2 on the right, and maybe one in the middle (call it the american party!) . That way, it would be alot easier to identify where a politician is coming from, and maybe, just maybe, lessen the power and influence of a few people and their leaders. It may never happen, but wouldn't it be nice..

The main problem with this country as i see it ( not the only one but...) you have the far left, the far right and the middle. No matter who gets in the office it will be because the middle ground voted one way or the other. Whoever does the best job getting the middle of the road voters to sway this way or that will win. The problem is that this country does not stray too far from the current path ( which in my opinion is broken no matter who is leading the way) on either side. For me that implies stagnation. We need someone with bold ideas for improving the middle class, fixing education ( which is woefull in K-12) and keeping our economy here in the US. If these three things are not addressed politcally and fixed, we will see a major drop off in American powere worldwide.
 

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Whether you like Kerry or not. Hillary (beer keg legs) or not. One has to admit they have flip-flopped on alot of issues. There are many reasons, but the main one is the constant pandering that must take place to the different interest groups. Having only two major parties is hurting the discourse in this country. I say we have at least 2 groups on the left, 2 on the right, and maybe one in the middle (call it the american party!) . That way, it would be alot easier to identify where a politician is coming from, and maybe, just maybe, lessen the power and influence of a few people and their leaders. It may never happen, but wouldn't it be nice..

It might help, but each party is so good at taking over the issues of the other party when needed.

Remember when Republicans fought hard for balanced budgets? Remember when Democrats used to trumpet HealthCare for all?

Now, neither party pursues those policies...because they don't get votes. It's all about staying in power.
 
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It might help, but each party is so good at taking over the issues of the other party when needed.

Remember when Republicans fought hard for balanced budgets? Remember when Democrats used to trumpet HealthCare for all?

Now, neither party pursues those policies...because they don't get votes. It's all about staying in power.

hence the middle of the road voting and the forward progress stagnation. Countries with clear futures and desires are marching ahead and leaving us in their wake. this petty crap of two party politcs is like the cheerleading captain fighting with the prom queen. It goes no where and eveyone gets hurt.
 

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The main problem with this country as i see it ( not the only one but...) you have the far left, the far right and the middle. No matter who gets in the office it will be because the middle ground voted one way or the other. Whoever does the best job getting the middle of the road voters to sway this way or that will win. The problem is that this country does not stray too far from the current path ( which in my opinion is broken no matter who is leading the way) on either side. For me that implies stagnation. We need someone with bold ideas for improving the middle class, fixing education ( which is woefull in K-12) and keeping our economy here in the US. If these three things are not addressed politcally and fixed, we will see a major drop off in American powere worldwide.

WELL SAID!
 

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I think it would be a good thing to be a member of a smaller party that has a limited platform. More things would have a chance to get done because there would have to be much more compromise and consensus.
 
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The main problem with this country as i see it ( not the only one but...) you have the far left, the far right and the middle. No matter who gets in the office it will be because the middle ground voted one way or the other. Whoever does the best job getting the middle of the road voters to sway this way or that will win. The problem is that this country does not stray too far from the current path ( which in my opinion is broken no matter who is leading the way) on either side. For me that implies stagnation. We need someone with bold ideas for improving the middle class, fixing education ( which is woefull in K-12) and keeping our economy here in the US. If these three things are not addressed politcally and fixed, we will see a major drop off in American powere worldwide.
Your right on the pandering in this country even by hated figures like Hillary or George Bush is so ridiculous. These politicians live by Time magazine polls. It is no way to get things done. Most of these polls are taken of people who don't know there ass from a Subaru. People can be so simple and just go about their days not realizing what is happening around them, adapting to lowered standards and higher prices for everything. Because they don't really want change. You are a fool to think one man or woman can change the true course of this country. What most regular folks don't understand is that politics on a local level effect our day to day lives more than anything else. Sure there will always (well lets not hope always) be something like Iraq. But your life is affected more directly by local things like gas taxes and your cities spending habits. Locally one vote can make a change and things can grow from there. People must step out of the herd mentality and think things through for themselves until then we will be headed down a road to who knows where. Never just vote for a letter you are waisting everyones time and maybe hurting yourself and everyone around you by doing so.
 

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Agreed. We need more independent people capable of thoughtful analysis, rather than the mindless herd who votes off of soundbites.
 
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The problem is that our method of election (winner take all) almost guarantees a two-party system. It's not like people haven't tried (Bull Moose, Progressives, etc.), but when we don't have a parliamentary form of government with proportional representation (like many in Europe), it devolves into us/them parties. Back in college, I remember reading books that proved this out mathematically.

As a result, you get two parties that, in primary season pander to the extremes of their parties (their bases of power), and in general election season run centric, so there is little to differentiate them for voters. Then, the American voter in his/her mind, wanting balance of power, often penalizes a Presidential candidate by taking seats away from his party in mid-term elections, creating a virtual gridlock as long as filibusters are possible in the Senate. Even better, many's the time when a Republican was President and Democrats controlled Congress, or vice versa.

One of the things that interested me the most was that Americans "hate Congress but love their Congressman" as long as he brings the bacon back to the district. Hence, a Congress that is locally responsive but collectively irresponsible.

When you consider the meat grinder one has to go through to get elected, why would anyone want to do it? They may start off with ideals, but soon it all becomes a question of how to survive, until you become a part of the machine you railed against when you started out.
 

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The problem is that our method of election (winner take all) almost guarantees a two-party system. It's not like people haven't tried (Bull Moose, Progressives, etc.), but when we don't have a parliamentary form of government with proportional representation (like many in Europe), it devolves into us/them parties. Back in college, I remember reading books that proved this out mathematically.

As a result, you get two parties that, in primary season pander to the extremes of their parties (their bases of power), and in general election season run centric, so there is little to differentiate them for voters. Then, the American voter in his/her mind, wanting balance of power, often penalizes a Presidential candidate by taking seats away from his party in mid-term elections, creating a virtual gridlock as long as filibusters are possible in the Senate. Even better, many's the time when a Republican was President and Democrats controlled Congress, or vice versa.

One of the things that interested me the most was that Americans "hate Congress but love their Congressman" as long as he brings the bacon back to the district. Hence, a Congress that is locally responsive but collectively irresponsible.

When you consider the meat grinder one has to go through to get elected, why would anyone want to do it? They may start off with ideals, but soon it all becomes a question of how to survive, until you become a part of the machine you railed against when you started out.


Well said. I know of many a voter who prefer that the White House be controlled by one party & the Congress controlled by the opposing party. This way, nothing gets done, which some view as a good thing when it comes to the middle class. I mean both parties claim to want to aid the middle class, but we're all still waiting. For the most part, the Reps take care of the upperclass & the Dems take care of the welfare class (remember I said 'for the most part' so chill out). The votes follow ea. party accordingly & then they start fighting all over again for the middle class vote. After all we're talking about professional politicians who don't exactly have our best interests in mind. Look at Clinton's first 2 years in office: socialized medicine, tax increases. Then in '94, Newt & his bunch take over Congress & all the sudden there's gridlock & negotiation & some say, the economy hit it's full stride. Then W gets elected, so the White House & Congress are both controlled by the elephants & they can't leave well enough alone. They discover a taste for pork & get fat & happy until their greed gets the best of them & the Dems take back Congress. So, the next few years should be interesting. Plus, the President or Congress can always blame the other for not getting their objectives accomplished. Think of it as the mutually assured destruction we had w/ USSR during the Cold War.
 

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I've got it! The Irish Republican American party (IRA) whose platform includes strong support of ND football, drinking beer, long-winded debates on off-topic issues, providing custom avatars to people of all races, and making St. Patricks day a federal holiday.



(Dang, no reps for the above? I guess I'm not as funny as I thought!)
 
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