Verification ?

[onenybrother]

Was The Rocket the fastest player to ever play for The Dame?
Let's Go Dame!!!

 

[GoshenGipper]

Well he could consistanly run sub 4.2 40s, and some of his track records still stand to this day wich is almost 20 years later.

 

[tgolden]

I was at the indoor track the other day. rocket's indoor record still stands in the 55 m and his outdoor record still stands in the 100. it was a 10.32, i believe. also just to note, allen rossum still holds the indoor 60 m record and randy kinder has the 200 m indoor record.

but as far as fastest ever, I think it would be really hard to know for sure. but I'd say he was one of the fastest ever.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

i've never seen anyone wearing a gold helmet move like he did. Definitely sub 4.3 material!

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I was at the indoor track the other day. rocket's indoor record still stands in the 55 m and his outdoor record still stands in the 100. it was a 10.32, i believe. also just to note, allen rossum still holds the indoor 60 m record and randy kinder has the 200 m indoor record.

but as far as fastest ever, I think it would be really hard to know for sure. but I'd say he was one of the fastest ever.

What about Mike Miller? That little shit could fly, too.

 

[IrishDon103]

....but I thought Darius Walker and Ambrose Wooden shared all of the track records??

 

[RichardRiot]

Well he could consistanly run sub 4.2 40s, and some of his track records still stand to this day wich is almost 20 years later.

That is preposterous!! The following link was posted earlier this month, pointing out HUGE doubts on the misleading 40 times that are attributed to players. A sub 4.2 would be .18 seconds faster than Ben Johnson.

http://www.usoc.org/11611_32384.htm

"But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history.

and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 -- both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds."

I run a sub-4 40; I just start the stop watch once I get to full speed!!

 

[tgolden]

That is preposterous!! The following link was posted earlier this month, pointing out HUGE doubts on the misleading 40 times that are attributed to players. A sub 4.2 would be .18 seconds faster than Ben Johnson.

http://www.usoc.org/11611_32384.htm

"But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history.

and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 -- both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds."

I run a sub-4 40; I just start the stop watch once I get to full speed!!

while I would doubt anyone running a 4.1, I'd believe that people ran a 4.3 or even a 4.2. but what do I really know.

and Irishdon, Darius never ran track at ND. although I'd be willing to bet Ambrose Wooden runs faster than you.

 

[RichardRiot]

while I would doubt anyone running a 4.1, I'd believe that people ran a 4.3 or even a 4.2. but what do I really know.

and Irishdon, Darius never ran track at ND. although I'd be willing to bet Ambrose Wooden runs faster than you.

Read the article.....I think you will then doubt a sub 4.3. Ben Johnston, a higly juiced Olympic sprinter, had the absolute most uncanny starting times.

The timing on these recruits is very subjective based on the reaction times of coaches starting/stopping stop watches.

 

[GoshenGipper]

Well go call Rocket the lier then, because I heard it from him. I've seen him do several interviews where he's corrected people when they say he runs a 4.3 40. So that's what I was going on. Plus I've heard on ESPN, so take that for what it's worth, that the people who broke down Juntin Gatlin's film said he could on occasion run a sub 4 sec. 40.

 

[RichardRiot]

Well go call Rocket the lier then, because I heard it from him. I've seen him do several interviews where he's corrected people when they say he runs a 4.3 40. So that's what I was going on. Plus I've heard on ESPN, so take that for what it's worth, that the people who broke down Juntin Gatlin's film said he could on occasion run a sub 4 sec. 40.

I've also heard on ESPN that USC was going for a 3-peat; but we know how full of shit that was!!

At times you need to take what people say with a grain of salt. I would tend to side with the expertise/lack of bias at the USOC.

How many Sunday hackers have you golfed with that claim their average carry is over 300yds??? Or that they usually play under 80; and then you see them taking mullies or 5ft 'tap-in' putts?

 

[Timugen]

For whoever was referencing the article about the inaccuracy of football 40 times, that is 100% irrelevant when you're talking about his track records. Those were electronically timed. The man was fast; faster than any others since him going after those records - and that is completely objective and fair.

 

[bayernarsch]

Please remember that when breaking down Ben Johnson's time, one is looking at FAT timing of an event that went beyond 40 yards, so the athlete was not attempting to reach full speed in 40 yards. 40 yard dash times in football are typically hand held time, so the end result will appear faster than a fully automated time. In any case, having seen Raghib run on the track, at the stadium and just fooling around in person, I can tell you that he is the fastest man I have ever seen in person (amazing acceleration!), and I see some fast cats each year as a track coach in NY state.

 

[Junkhead]

40 times start when the runner starts, in the 100m, you have to react to the gun. I read some about this, and they estimated Ben Johnson running the same format (and speed) as his juiced 100m wr run would have been about 4.0-4.1 40yd. Some of the fastest football players could possibly keep up with the track guys until 40yds or so, after that is where the difference is. Some interesting info here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_yard_dash

 

[tgolden]

Read the article.....I think you will then doubt a sub 4.3. Ben Johnston, a higly juiced Olympic sprinter, had the absolute most uncanny starting times.

The timing on these recruits is very subjective based on the reaction times of coaches starting/stopping stop watches.

I did read the article. And I agree that many 40 times are exaggerated. that doesn't mean there aren't guys who can run a 4.2. and as stated above, taking a 40 split out of a 100 m race isn't the same as timing just a 40. He still had to keep running for another 60 m

"Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 -- both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds." He obviously increased his speed from 50m to 60 m based on these numbers as the splits aren't equal.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

while I would doubt anyone running a 4.1, I'd believe that people ran a 4.3 or even a 4.2. but what do I really know.

and Irishdon, Darius never ran track at ND. although I'd be willing to bet Ambrose Wooden runs faster than you.

the rocket was timed at ND at 4.16 according to wikipedia. but who knows if that was accurate ??

 

[Junkhead]

Darius Walker was listed as a 4.4 out of HS. No offense to him, but some of the stated times are pretty questionable.

 

[RichardRiot]

I did read the article. And I agree that many 40 times are exaggerated. that doesn't mean there aren't guys who can run a 4.2. and as stated above, taking a 40 split out of a 100 m race isn't the same as timing just a 40. He still had to keep running for another 60 m

Did you read the WHOLE article????

Ben Johnston's 50M split was ahead of the WR for 50M; Ben Johnston's 60M split was ahead of the WR for 60M. So are you saying that the extra 14 YDS (50M=54YDS vs. 50YDS) make a difference of .18 seconds??? Johnston used to decimate his opponents at the start of a race; you telling me that none of these guys are faster over 40YDS than HS football players??

My entire point is that you can't believe the 40 times, because they are not objectively measured. Not saying that Rocket wasn't fast, just don't believe that he was 4.2 fast....These 40 times need to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[tgolden]

Darius Walker was listed as a 4.4 out of HS. No offense to him, but some of the stated times are pretty questionable.

I think times taken in high school are a lot less reliable than those taken at something like an NFL combine.

and yes, RichardRiot, I did read the whole article. and while you make a good point, how are the time keepers timing the splits? does the NFL never use electronic time keeping? I don't know. I'd think someone would though.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Anyone see where Rocket is seriously considering making a comeback w/ an NFL team? He claims he can still run a 4.3 forty & is in great shape. He wants a shot at a Super Bowl & thinks he can impress enough to earn a spot on a roster. If he can do it, more power to him. Considering all the gun-toting, pot smoking, girlfriend smacking, paternity suit receiving thugs that get 2nd & 3rd chances, some team should give him a 2nd look.

 

[tgolden]

really? I hadn't heard not... while I'd love to see him play again, I don't think it would be a good idea. but if that's what he wants to do, then I hope he succeeds.

and based on all this stuff, obviously Rocket's 4.3 is not to be believed but really, I think it's all relative. It really only matters how he compares to other players. If he runs a 4.3 and everyone else runs a 4.4, then he's in good shape. If he runs a 4.5 and everyone else runs a 4.6 then he's still in good shape.

 

[tdnd81]

Sorry riot,

i have seen that article before, ben johnson ran the 100m not the forty and its impossible to calculate what he did between 20yds and 60etc. like others have said ben started on a gun, most now start on movement! That helps.

A Allen ran a 4.31 at a COMBINE, that was electrically timed, not by his buddy in the backyard! Do you believe that or is that bs 2?

 

[kjones]

Sorry riot,

i have seen that article before, ben johnson ran the 100m not the forty and its impossible to calculate what he did between 20yds and 60etc. like others have said ben started on a gun, most now start on movement! That helps.

A Allen ran a 4.31 at a COMBINE, that was electrically timed, not by his buddy in the backyard! Do you believe that or is that bs 2?

It's not impossible, it's done with something we call "computers." Basically you can digitally analyze video footage, and tell exactly what he does between yards 20 and 60, and even more accurately than that. How do you think sprinters work on their mechanics? Video analysis is a major tool and you can watch a runner frame by frame go through his stride. It's relatively simple, in fact, amazing simple, for someone interested enough to do a little bit of work to find out how fast he ran the 40, either from start, or from 20-60, or 60-100. Don't think the TV footage is the only footage either, racers need to be able analyze their races, and I'll bet there were many cameras on that race besides what you watched at home.

 

[Junkhead]

Sorry riot,

i have seen that article before, ben johnson ran the 100m not the forty and its impossible to calculate what he did between 20yds and 60etc. like others have said ben started on a gun, most now start on movement! That helps.

A Allen ran a 4.31 at a COMBINE, that was electrically timed, not by his buddy in the backyard! Do you believe that or is that bs 2?

The NFL combines are electronically timed, what proof is there that Allen's 4.31 was?

 

[tdnd81]

Kjones,
I know computers can time the race in different lenths,

But what i meant to say was Ben johnson was running the 100m not the forty, so lets say that he ran a 4.4 between 20 and 60yds thats great but that was part of a longer race. You don't run a 4.4 pace for a 400m or a mile, or a 100m. when you run track you have to pace yourself for the race you are running.

Btw i ran a wind aided 4.23 40 in HS. HaHa.

 

[RichardRiot]

But what i meant to say was Ben johnson was running the 100m not the forty, so lets say that he ran a 4.4 between 20 and 60yds thats great but that was part of a longer race. You don't run a 4.4 pace for a 400m or a mile, or a 100m. when you run track you have to pace yourself for the race you are running.

Btw i ran a wind aided 4.23 40 in HS. HaHa.

In a 100M Olympic final, the athletes aren't holding anything back. To suggest that they are conserving their energy for the final 50-60M is disingenuous.

Again, from the article the analysis showed that Johnston's first 50M beat Donovan Bailey's WR for the 50M, and Mo Greene's WR for the 60M. You suggesting that both Bailey and Greene were conserving their energy for the last 14 and 26 Yds respectively in their WR runs??

 

[tdnd81]

Riot, i bet they were trying for the Gold..

In the article it says Ben ran a 4.38! thats great, but you're telling me every man that has ran a legit 4.38 or under is bs????

Here is proof! From last years NFL Combine:

Tye Hill CB 5’10 185 Clemson
By: Robert Davis

NFL Combine Stats: 40-yard dash - 4.30, vertical jump - 41"

Michael Huff DB 6’1 205 Texas
By: Robert Davis

NFL Combine Stats: 40-yard dash - 4.34, 225 bench press - 21 reps, vertical jump - 40.5"

Btw those are the first two i checked, Both Db's

I'm sure there are more!

Is Ben J faster, i would say yes but these are the true #'s!!

 

[tdnd81]

Mo Green's 40?
D Bailey 40?
BJ 4.38 "computer" 40

FACT: 2006 Combine

Lets start with a TIGHT END!


Vernon Davis TE 7 Maryland 4.38 10-ft-8 42 7 4.17 33 Thats right TIGHT END!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tye Hill DB 11 Clemson 4.3 10-ft-9 41 6.63 4.01 11.17
Johnathan Joseph DB 11 S. Carolina 4.31 11.23
Tim Jennings DB 11 Georgia 4.32

Michael Huff DB 11 Texas 4.34 10-ft-5 40 1/2
Daniel Bullocks DB 11 Nebraska 4.38 6.91 11.22
Willie Andrews DB 11 Baylor 4.38

Lets finish with a couple WR

Chad Jackson WR 5 Florida 4.32 6.73 3.97 11.19
Devin Aromashodu WR 5 Auburn 4.35 11.38

Those are Real electronic timed 40's!

 

[tgolden]

well, I hadn't thought of this until tdnd brought it up. if football players are timed from when they actually start as opposed to starting at the gun, that could make a difference of a few fractions of a second. and please correct me if I'm confused about this. I really don't know. was ben johnson ever timed in that manner where the clock didn't start until he actually moved? I bet he'd run the time faster than his split was.

 

[Junkhead]

I stated in one of my posts above that the 40yd times starts when the player moves. That removes the .1-.2 loss of reacting to the gun. Justin Gatlin (former WR holder in 100m) worked out for a few NFL teams after being banned from track for 8 years. Too bad there is probably no way to find out what he ran in the 40yd.