Fake Punt: High risk, High reward??????

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Fighting_Irish9

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I saw this from someone doing the whole "Weis can do no wrong because he isn't Ty Willingham" montra and I'm curious for those that actually think it was a good call...

What is the "HIGH REWARD"...since when is a first down on the 35 a great reward....I know giving the other team the ball on the 35 is a high reward...but when one still needs 65 yards...it most definatly wasn't worth the risk
 

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I saw this from someone doing the whole "Weis can do no wrong because he isn't Ty Willingham" montra and I'm curious for those that actually think it was a good call...

What is the "HIGH REWARD"...since when is a first down on the 35 a great reward....I know giving the other team the ball on the 35 is a high reward...but when one still needs 65 yards...it most definatly wasn't worth the risk

I think nearly everyone agrees it was a bonehead call.

Honestly, I think he was trying to set the tone and throw the LSU D a curveball to keep them mentally off balance.
 

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It was probably the best time to do it since they would not think anyone would call it then! Plus it was most likely TT's had the option on what to do based on what he saw like ealier in the year.
 
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Holy cow...

Holy cow...

I saw this from someone doing the whole "Weis can do no wrong because he isn't Ty Willingham" montra and I'm curious for those that actually think it was a good call...

What is the "HIGH REWARD"...since when is a first down on the 35 a great reward....I know giving the other team the ball on the 35 is a high reward...but when one still needs 65 yards...it most definatly wasn't worth the risk

I still can't believe this is still being talked about...honest to God. And I mean that in the most serious tone.
 
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I still can't believe this is still being talked about...honest to God. And I mean that in the most serious tone.

Heck people still talk about Willingham Punting from the opponents 35....this will be talked about for LONG LONG time
 

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ya that call is for a momentum changer... definately not for our first drive. However, i like the call. When Charlie Weis is your coach u have to expect those type of things.
 
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ya that call is for a momentum changer... definately not for our first drive. However, i like the call. When Charlie Weis is your coach u have to expect those type of things.

Unfortunately, so did LSU. :wink:

Weis had said the team was going to come out loose. I just don't know that I would have wanted to be THAT loose.
 

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From what I've heard, it was an audible on Thomas's part (but CW won't throw his players under the bus, so we'll never know for sure.) Regardless, he shouldn't have had the option of audibling that play, so it ultimately falls on CW.
 

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From what I've heard, it was an audible on Thomas's part (but CW won't throw his players under the bus, so we'll never know for sure.) Regardless, he shouldn't have had the option of audibling that play, so it ultimately falls on CW.

Actually, he SHOULD have the option...they have done it before with success...those things are not guaranteed to work.
 

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Actually, he SHOULD have the option...they have done it before with success...those things are not guaranteed to work.

With all due respect, when you're sitting in front of your own endzone on a 4th and 3 (not 4th and inches) in a 0-0 game with a hostile crowd......you punt the ball. The reward is ridiculously miniscule compared to the risk.

Reward: 1st and 10 around your own 40.

Risk: give your opponent (who already has so many advantages over you) an almost guaranteed 3 pts at best, or a very likely 7 pts at worst.

I'm sorry if I don't see it the way you do, but to twist CW's words a bit, don't sign me up for that.
 

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I think Coach Weis might have made the call because he didn't have any confidense that Minter's defense could stop LSU's offense. So he was trying to set the tone full well knowing that ND would have to score in the 40s to win.
 
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I think Coach Weis might have made the call because he didn't have any confidense that Minter's defense could stop LSU's offense. So he was trying to set the tone full well knowing that ND would have to score in the 40s to win.

I think that Weis was counting on the element of surprise. The fake punt from the 30 was SO STUPID that surely it would catch LSU off guard and work. That is what I am guessing that he was thinking.

Regardless, that play was insignificant in the grand scheme of that game. LSU was going to destroy us no matter what. They simply have the better team and the better coaching staff (Weis is way better than Miles, but their coordinators are much better than ours). This was the mismatch that it looked like form the start. We fans simply talked ourselves into believing we had a chance.
 
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I really doubt that Thomas can just take it on his self to call a fake in that spot. Thats a Weis call. Sheesh, Weis gambled and lost its that simple.

If they get the 1st down and eventually score, its genious......he failed so its boneheaded. Such is the fickle world of sports.

Weis makes mistakes, its ok to say it. Travis Thomas' fault? Come on now.....
 
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I really doubt that Thomas can just take it on his self to call a fake in that spot. Thats a Weis call. Sheesh, Weis gambled and lost its that simple.

If they get the 1st down and eventually score, its genious......he failed so its boneheaded. Such is the fickle world of sports.

Weis makes mistakes, its ok to say it. Travis Thomas' fault? Come on now.....

is that green koolaid you are drinking bankacct?
 
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I really didn't think it was a horrible call. here are the possible outcomes...

A. Get stopped, give LSU the ball at the 35.
B. Pick up a first down, Weis saw that our offense was looking ok against LSU, and wanted to keep the momentum, if Freeman makes an easy catch, we have that first down.
C. Pick up 20-30 yards like Thomas did earlier this year. First and 10 at the 50.

It was clear that Weis was trying to play a similar game to the USC game. He knew we couldn't stop LSU's offense very well. He wanted ball-control. If we drive downt he field and score a TD, it is a gutsy and great call, it just didn't work. If we punt it, and they get the ball around their 30 yard line, there is a good chance they would have driven down the field and scored anyway, as they did at will against us, more-or-less.

In a game where you have no defense, you have to try and take advantage of absolutely every offensive series. Once we get a defense, he won't be making those calls.

Remember, the next play they got 30+ yards. It's not like the defense did a great job of stopping them. LSU went 35 yards in 2 plays.

And it also isn't like LSU scored that many points on us because they always had a short field. Remember, they put 577 yards of offense against us, most of anyone they played this season. That includes absolute pansies. The only way we were going to win was to score on every possesion and get a few lucky breaks.
 

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I think that Weis was counting on the element of surprise. The fake punt from the 30 was SO STUPID that surely it would catch LSU off guard and work. That is what I am guessing that he was thinking.

Regardless, that play was insignificant in the grand scheme of that game. LSU was going to destroy us no matter what. They simply have the better team and the better coaching staff (Weis is way better than Miles, but their coordinators are much better than ours). This was the mismatch that it looked like form the start. We fans simply talked ourselves into believing we had a chance.


In addition,we recovered from that play.
 

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We recovered? Ummm...LSU got 7 off of it. That's not recovery.

Point is we did not lose because of that play - we came back to tie the game subsequent to the play.

We got our ass kicked because LSU was physically superior.
 

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Point is we did not lose because of that play - we came back to tie the game subsequent to the play.

We got our ass kicked because LSU was physically superior.

We most definitely did not lose because of that play...without a doubt.

Your assessment is right. LSU was physically dominant on D.
 

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We most definitely did not lose because of that play...without a doubt.

Your assessment is right. LSU was physically dominant on D.


By the way LOVEMYIRISH, do you have the power to get the LSU hat off of the home page - it is making me sick.
 

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god, I only wish I did...


I am going to dynamite the damn thing off of my screen!

Almost would rather see SPARTY at this point. HeLLOOOOOO, Spartan Pride????

Sorry for getting this thread off course, back to faking the punt..........
 
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Ok, now be serious.

Do you guys REALLY think Travis Thomas would audible to a fake punt on his own 35? He's not that dumb.

If Charlie makes that call, it's stupid.

If a freaking player audibles to it, it's completely outrageous. He would probably be tortured to death.
 

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Heck people still talk about Willingham Punting from the opponents 35....this will be talked about for LONG LONG time

only because you are baiting people into it. it was a bad call and it has nothing to do with ty. it doesn't make ty a better coach than cw either.
 

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Ok, now be serious.

Do you guys REALLY think Travis Thomas would audible to a fake punt on his own 35? He's not that dumb.

If Charlie makes that call, it's stupid.

If a freaking player audibles to it, it's completely outrageous. He would probably be tortured to death.

Weis gave him the power to do this against other teams, I do not know if he had the power this time. If he did, the decision to allow it lies with Weis. So no matter what, the punt lies in CW's lap.
 
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