SEC haters...you are officially out of ammo for now

[solo]

The SEC went 6-3 in their bowl games. won the NC, and were competitive in all 9 games if I'm not mistaken. Tough to knock thise results.

Imay not like that they schedule all cupcakes OOC, but they backed the talk this season come bowl time. Must give them their props.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

The SEC went 6-3 in their bowl games. won the NC, and were competitive in all 9 games if I'm not mistaken. Tough to knock thise results.

Imay not like that they schedule all cupcakes OOC, but they backed the talk this season come bowl time. Must give them their props.

Never. The haters here will slink into the shadows just like the OSu trolls will after the trouncing they took.

 

[scooper]

What constitutes a hater? I criticized their OOC schedules. And I said I thought their defenses were inflated by facing poor offenses.

Sure, they proved me wrong. That happens all the time. I'm sure to you as well.

 

[grantland]

What constitutes a hater? I criticized their OOC schedules. And I said I thought their defenses were inflated by facing poor offenses.

Sure, they proved me wrong. That happens all the time. I'm sure to you as well.

Same here and I ain't slinking. In addition, I am just sick and tired of hearing about it, true or not.

 

[solo]

What constitutes a hater? I criticized their OOC schedules. And I said I thought their defenses were inflated by facing poor offenses.

Sure, they proved me wrong. That happens all the time. I'm sure to you as well.

Oh yeah, I am wrong plenty. Probably more than I am right. But as an avid college football fan, I think that the SEC is in general the best conference. Sure, not every year, but certainly this year. And they are always one of the 2 or 3 best every year.

In this forum and others I have seemed to encounter the SEC backlash. "They are over rated". "They don't play anyone". "Everyone just assumes they are good and we never really find out because they won't schedule anyone".

Asa fan of the game, I appreciate the quality of the conference. I don't like any of the schools in the conference, but I can respect how good of a conference it is.

 

[grantland]

Oh yeah, I am wrong plenty. Probably more than I am right. But as an avid college football fan, I think that the SEC is in general the best conference. Sure, not every year, but certainly this year. And they are always one of the 2 or 3 best every year.

In this forum and others I have seemed to encounter the SEC backlash. "They are over rated". "They don't play anyone". "Everyone just assumes they are good and we never really find out because they won't schedule anyone".

Asa fan of the game, I appreciate the quality of the conference. I don't like any of the schools in the conference, but I can respect how good of a conference it is.

Can't argue with that (at least not successfully).

 

[BleedinOrange]

Oh yeah, I am wrong plenty. Probably more than I am right. But as an avid college football fan, I think that the SEC is in general the best conference. Sure, not every year, but certainly this year. And they are always one of the 2 or 3 best every year.

In this forum and others I have seemed to encounter the SEC backlash. "They are over rated". "They don't play anyone". "Everyone just assumes they are good and we never really find out because they won't schedule anyone".

Asa fan of the game, I appreciate the quality of the conference. I don't like any of the schools in the conference, but I can respect how good of a conference it is.

I am a little biased obviously being a Tennessee fan but if you look at the recruiting rankings this year and in previous years the SEC always has more teams in the top 10 and even top 20 for that matter. That doesn;t mean they always have the best TEAMS but it shows something when they seem to always get the best talent year in and year out.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Overall they did well. Here is how they did against expectations:
6-6 Bama lost to 6-6 OK State (spread was 3.5 game was decided by 3)
7-5 Kentucky beat 8-4 Clemson (spread was 10.5, but Kentucky WON)
7-5 South Carolina beat 10-3 Houston (spread was -7.5, game decided by 8)
8-4 Georgia beat 10-2 VT (spread was 3.5, but Georgia WON)
9-3 Tennessee lost to 8-4 Penn State (spread was -4.5 and TN LOST)
10-2 Auburn beat 9-4 Nebraska (spread was -3.5, game decided by 3)
10-3 Arkansas lost to 11-1 Wisc (spread was -1.5, but ARK lost)
10-2 LSU beat 10-2 ND (spread was -9.5, and LSU won BIG)
12-1 Florida beat 12-0 tOSU (spread was 8.5, but Florida WON)

So basically, this is how I break it down:

CONVINCING WINs
Kentucky beat Clemson
LSU beat ND
Florida beat tOSU
Georgia beat VT

EXPECTED
Bama lost to OK State
South Carolina beat Houston
Auburn beat Nebraska

UNIMPRESSIVE
Tennessee lost to Penn State
Arkansas lost to Wisconsin

On the whole, the SEC did better than expected, but only by 1 game.

2 were below expectations, 3 met expectations, 4 beat. That makes them 1 above average.

 

[scooper]

Oh yeah, I am wrong plenty. Probably more than I am right. But as an avid college football fan, I think that the SEC is in general the best conference. Sure, not every year, but certainly this year. And they are always one of the 2 or 3 best every year.

In this forum and others I have seemed to encounter the SEC backlash. "They are over rated". "They don't play anyone". "Everyone just assumes they are good and we never really find out because they won't schedule anyone".

Asa fan of the game, I appreciate the quality of the conference. I don't like any of the schools in the conference, but I can respect how good of a conference it is.

I'm not a fan of any particular SEC team. But as conferences go, I enjoy watching theirs the most. I like the intensity and the pageantry. And I dislike the Big Televen from living amonst them.

I think some of the SEC backlash comes from the underlying message that SEC=superfast so no team from across the country can touch them on an individual basis.

The reason for their rankings and for being favored is usually SEC speed. Their OOC matchups, such as bowls, etc are almost always broken down based on the merits of the conference, not on the individual teams themselves.

The SEC clearly had a strong showing in the bowls, but the Wisky Auburn game is a perfect example of that supposed superior speed always making the difference.

Heck, I'm not convinced that speed was the difference last night. Ohio St. is a very fast team. I think Florida simply whooped them. And it was due more to being physical than fast.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Heck, I'm not convinced that speed was the difference last night. Ohio St. is a very fast team. I think Florida simply whooped them. And it was due more to being physical than fast.

Frankly, tOSU played like shit and Florida played perfectly. I think it's BS to begin to imagine that tOSU was as bad as Western Carolina.

This is why college ball is awesome, you never know who will win.

AND this is why Boise State is getting screwed in the rankings...

 

[solo]

Overall they did well. Here is how they did against expectations:
6-6 Bama lost to 6-6 OK State (spread was 3.5 game was decided by 3)
7-5 Kentucky beat 8-4 Clemson (spread was 10.5, but Kentucky WON)
7-5 South Carolina beat 10-3 Houston (spread was -7.5, game decided by 8)
8-4 Georgia beat 10-2 VT (spread was 3.5, but Georgia WON)
9-3 Tennessee lost to 8-4 Penn State (spread was -4.5 and TN LOST)
10-2 Auburn beat 9-4 Nebraska (spread was -3.5, game decided by 3)
10-3 Arkansas lost to 11-1 Wisc (spread was -1.5, but ARK lost)
10-2 LSU beat 10-2 ND (spread was -9.5, and LSU won BIG)
12-1 Florida beat 12-0 tOSU (spread was 8.5, but Florida WON)

So basically, this is how I break it down:

CONVINCING WINs
Kentucky beat Clemson
LSU beat ND
Florida beat tOSU
Georgia beat VT

EXPECTED
Bama lost to OK State
South Carolina beat Houston
Auburn beat Nebraska

UNIMPRESSIVE
Tennessee lost to Penn State
Arkansas lost to Wisconsin

On the whole, the SEC did better than expected, but only by 1 game.

2 were below expectations, 3 met expectations, 4 beat. That makes them 1 above average.

Doesn't this make them 2 above average? 4 games beat expectations and 2 were below.

4-2 = 2

 

[FleaFlicker]

I am a little biased obviously being a Tennessee fan but if you look at the recruiting rankings this year and in previous years the SEC always has more teams in the top 10 and even top 20 for that matter. That doesn;t mean they always have the best TEAMS but it shows something when they seem to always get the best talent year in and year out.

Because football in the south east is probably the strongest, all around. Of course they get the top talent.

Too bad Notre Dame doesn't have powerful state ties anywhere, like a UF, or USC, or LSU, or Tennessee... etc etc

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Doesn't this make them 2 above average? 4 games beat expectations and 2 were below.

4-2 = 2

No...1. If they were to be average, they would be 3-3-3. Instead, they were 4-3-2. 1 game shifted from the bottom to the top.

That's saying something good though. I have not done this for the other conferences, but I suspect this is one of the best outcomes.

Where's latte? He gives a shit about the BE...I wonder how they did?

 

[njuneardave]

Because football in the south east is probably the strongest, all around. Of course they get the top talent.

Too bad Notre Dame doesn't have powerful state ties anywhere, like a UF, or USC, or LSU, or Tennessee... etc etc

Tennessee is not a hotbed for D1 talent. This year hsa been one of the state's most productive years. Fulmer has done an excellent job at recruiting out-of-state. I would rank Tennessee in the high teens to low twenties in football talent.

 

[solo]

No...1. If they were to be average, they would be 3-3-3. Instead, they were 4-3-2. 1 game shifted from the bottom to the top.

That's saying something good though. I have not done this for the other conferences, but I suspect this is one of the best outcomes.

Where's latte? He gives a shit about the BE...I wonder how they did?

OK...I see how you are approaching it.

I was assuming that the average would be 9 games that all meet the expectation.

 

[BleedinOrange]

Tennessee is not a hotbed for D1 talent. This year hsa been one of the state's most productive years. Fulmer has done an excellent job at recruiting out-of-state. I would rank Tennessee in the high teens to low twenties in football talent.

Just to be Devils advocate please name 20 states that are a better "hotbed" for recruiting than Tennessee.......

 

[IrishOrange]

to start, GO VOLS!!!! secondly, as far as yearly high school talent goes, you have 1st of all, Texas, California, and Florida, both head and shoulders above the rest. Then you have the non-applicapble states, including the 6 New England States, Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Deleware, Alaska, and Hawaii. Not that these states dont produce DIA caliber players, just not enough to be considered "hotbeds". So that sets the floor at 39 for the remaining 36 states, obviously giving the top 3 to the aforementioned in no particular order.
Assuming that these remaining states are broken in to 3,12 state 'tiers', i would place Tennessee somewhere at the bottom of the 1st tier, or high/middle of the 2nd tier, theres plenty of Vols from Tennessee, but generally our best talent comes from out of state.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Overall they did well. Here is how they did against expectations:
6-6 Bama lost to 6-6 OK State (spread was 3.5 game was decided by 3)
7-5 Kentucky beat 8-4 Clemson (spread was 10.5, but Kentucky WON)
7-5 South Carolina beat 10-3 Houston (spread was -7.5, game decided by 8)
8-4 Georgia beat 10-2 VT (spread was 3.5, but Georgia WON)
9-3 Tennessee lost to 8-4 Penn State (spread was -4.5 and TN LOST)
10-2 Auburn beat 9-4 Nebraska (spread was -3.5, game decided by 3)
10-3 Arkansas lost to 11-1 Wisc (spread was -1.5, but ARK lost)
10-2 LSU beat 10-2 ND (spread was -9.5, and LSU won BIG)
12-1 Florida beat 12-0 tOSU (spread was 8.5, but Florida WON)

So basically, this is how I break it down:

CONVINCING WINs
Kentucky beat Clemson
LSU beat ND
Florida beat tOSU
Georgia beat VT

EXPECTED
Bama lost to OK State
South Carolina beat Houston
Auburn beat Nebraska

UNIMPRESSIVE
Tennessee lost to Penn State
Arkansas lost to Wisconsin

On the whole, the SEC did better than expected, but only by 1 game.

2 were below expectations, 3 met expectations, 4 beat. That makes them 1 above average.

Nice breakdown...I agree. Arkansas held Wisconsin to negative offensive output & still lost? Unexcusable! I loved the PSU victory over the Vols. UT too one-dimensional w/ a slightly better Ainge but no running game. But they still compete w/ the Bengals w/ most players on local police blotter! Auburn overrated by media b/c they feel guilty about them getting screwed 2 yrs ago...they had no offense; maybe slightly better w/ more balance than the hogs considering the hogs lack ANY pass game. The Hog fans are bragging b/c the 4 teams they lost to are all ranked in the final top 5. So f**king what? They lost! They only beat 3 teams w/ winning records & now they want to glom on to Florida & LSU's impressive wins to incl themselves in the bragging of their "superiority" over other conferences. That's the only thing that irks me about the SEC. Florida & LSU are arguably the 2 best teams in the nation & pretty much proved it & thus deserve all the props (begrudgingly), but the rest of the SEC are "good teams" at best and Mississippi St. at worst.

 

[njuneardave]

Just to be Devils advocate please name 20 states that are a better "hotbed" for recruiting than Tennessee.......

i saw an article online that had the states ranked by quality of football talent that it has produced over the years... they had Tennessee ranked like 21st... but i figure they rank around 18, personally.

 

[solo]

Nice breakdown...I agree. Arkansas held Wisconsin to negative offensive output & still lost? Unexcusable! I loved the PSU victory over the Vols. UT too one-dimensional w/ a slightly better Ainge but no running game. But they still compete w/ the Bengals w/ most players on local police blotter! Auburn overrated by media b/c they feel guilty about them getting screwed 2 yrs ago...they had no offense; maybe slightly better w/ more balance than the hogs considering the hogs lack ANY pass game. The Hog fans are bragging b/c the 4 teams they lost to are all ranked in the final top 5. So f**king what? They lost! They only beat 3 teams w/ winning records & now they want to glom on to Florida & LSU's impressive wins to incl themselves in the bragging of their "superiority" over other conferences. That's the only thing that irks me about the SEC. Florida & LSU are arguably the 2 best teams in the nation & pretty much proved it & thus deserve all the props (begrudgingly), but the rest of the SEC are "good teams" at best and Mississippi St. at worst.

Well, in addition to being what I consider to be the best conference in the nation this year, SO many of their schools are in position to keep it the best.

1. Florida might be better next year and FSu and Miami are down
2. LSU still has a ton of talent, even with Russell going pro. They took a big hit lsoing Jimbo Fisher though. Saban left that program primed, It will take les miles another year or two to screw that up, mucj like Coker did at Miami
3. Arkansas...Nutt made a desparate move to keep that talent in state last year. But he is set to reap the rewards for the next few years. They have a lot of young talent.
4. GA...Richt is an incredible coach. They had a phenomneal defense and started a true frosh at QB. They are positioned to be very good.
5. South Carolina...I don't think Sopurrier will be able to get them to the top, but he is a great college coach and will have them as a solid team next year and beyond as his recruits get in starting spots
6. Alabama...Down right now, but the saviour has been hired.
7. Tenn...They are always good, sometimes great.

The conference is well positioned to maintain it's superiroity in my opinion.

 

[BleedinOrange]

i saw an article online that had the states ranked by quality of football talent that it has produced over the years... they had Tennessee ranked like 21st... but i figure they rank around 18, personally.

Gotcha.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

The SEC went 6-3 in their bowl games. won the NC, and were competitive in all 9 games if I'm not mistaken. Tough to knock thise results.

Imay not like that they schedule all cupcakes OOC, but they backed the talk this season come bowl time. Must give them their props.

Big 10 was horrible this year and went 2-1 against the SEC

Unranked Penn State beat #2 SEC east Tennessee
Wisconsin #3 in the B10, handled #2 in the SEC Arkansas...

SEC isn't anything special at all

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Big 10 was horrible this year and went 2-1 against the SEC

Unranked Penn State beat #2 SEC east Tennessee
Wisconsin #3 in the B10, handled #2 in the SEC Arkansas...

SEC isn't anything special at all

Or, more to the point, bowl games prove little.

 

[solo]

Big 10 was horrible this year and went 2-1 against the SEC

Unranked Penn State beat #2 SEC east Tennessee
Wisconsin #3 in the B10, handled #2 in the SEC Arkansas...

SEC isn't anything special at all

Let's see...the best team in the SEC THROTTLED the best team in Big 10. The other 2 SEC-Big 10 games were competitive games that could have gone either way.

LSU waxed ND.

The conference produced 2 of the top 3 teams, 3 of the top 10, and 6 of the top 25.

You are clearly a biased SEC hater if you think they are nothing special.

 

[solo]

Or, more to the point, bowl games prove little.

So what does prove anything?

People in this forum say that rankings don't ptove anything because they are biased.

OOC games don't ptove anything because they are against cupcakes.

And now bowl games don't prove anything.

So just how is it that we are supposed to differentiate the teams?

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

So what does prove anything?

People in this forum say that rankings don't ptove anything because they are biased.

OOC games don't ptove anything because they are against cupcakes.

And now bowl games don't prove anything.

So just how is it that we are supposed to differentiate the teams?

I think Bowl games proved the SEC was not better thant he B10

Yes their #1 beat the B10's #1....however...

#4 B10 beat #2 SEC East (#4 SEC)
AND
#3 B10 handled #2 SEC

SEC just isn't anything special....good conference...but may have had the best year, however, next year they could suck, like they did the year before last...

No conference dominates college football

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

So what does prove anything?

People in this forum say that rankings don't ptove anything because they are biased.

OOC games don't ptove anything because they are against cupcakes.

And now bowl games don't prove anything.

So just how is it that we are supposed to differentiate the teams?

A playoff would go a long way to proving things.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

A playoff would go a long way to proving things.

It would also go a long way in destroying the most exciting season in all of sports....

 

[solo]

I think Bowl games proved the SEC was not better thant he B10

Yes their #1 beat the B10's #1....however...

#4 B10 beat #2 SEC East (#4 SEC)
AND
#3 B10 handled #2 SEC

SEC just isn't anything special....good conference...but may have had the best year, however, next year they could suck, like they did the year before last...

No conference dominates college football

#1 SEC throughly domonated #1 Big 10

#3 Big 10 luckily beat #2 SEC. Close game, could have gone either way. Wisonsin had 200 yards of total offense yet somehow managed to squeak out a win and you say that they "handled" Arkansas?

#4 in the Big 10 PSU beat #5 Tenn in the SEC in a tight game.

6 of 9 sec teams won their bowl games. How many other conferences sent 9 teams bowling? How many other conferences won 67% of their bowl games? How many other conferences had 6 teams in the top 25 and 2 of the top 3?

If you combine the SEC ito one division the teams finished:

1. Florida 7-1
2. Arkansas 7-1
3. Auburn 6-2 (same SEC record as LSU but beat them head to head)
4. LSU 6-2
5. TN 5-3
6. GA 4-4
7. Kentucky 4-4
8. South Carolina 3-5
9. Alabama 2-6

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

How many other conferences won 67% of their bowl games?

didn't the WAC and MWC both go 3-1 winning 75% of their bowls, are they now the 2 best conferences