My conference assessments thus far

[solo]

1. The SEC isn't quite as good as I thought. Still a solid conference in my opinion, but not heads and shoulders beter than the other conferences like I thought.

2. The Big East isn't as bad as I thought. I still think they are top loaded though. After the top 3, the talent level falls off sharply. But, they perfromed well in the bowls. I still wouild liked to have seen them play tougher teams in their bowl games. But i admit that they delivered in the post season. That is definitely worth something.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

SEC top teams are average compared to other conference top teams. SEC bottom teams better than other conferences bottom teams.

Big East Top 2-3 teams are on same level as other conferences #3-#4 teams.

Big Ten top 3-4 teams better than other conferences top teams. Rest of conference is average to horrible.

Pac 10 is still USC and a bunch of other guys. I know they lost to Oregon St and UCLA, but that is a trend that won't continue now these younger guys have experience.

ACC had a down year. If Miami, FSU and VT don't get back to normal quick...ouch. The rest of that conference is extremely mediocre(if there is such a thing)

Big 12 is better than people think. OK & Tex get all the love, but OkST, Kansas ST, Tex A&M, Nebrask and MIzzou are nothing to sneeze at.

MWC is sneaking up on us. BYU, TCU, Hawaii...hmm....

 

[Satans Little Helper]

1. The SEC isn't quite as good as I thought. Still a solid conference in my opinion, but not heads and shoulders beter than the other conferences like I thought.

2. The Big East isn't as bad as I thought. I still think they are top loaded though. After the top 3, the talent level falls off sharply. But, they perfromed well in the bowls. I still wouild liked to have seen them play tougher teams in their bowl games. But i admit that they delivered in the post season. That is definitely worth something.

The big east is still as bad as I thought, The Big 11 still as weak as I thought. The SEC had one close loss on two defensive breakdowns (Ark.) They held PJ in check to 30 rushing yards. Wisc. D better than I expected. Ark still cant throw the ball. The SEC also had a breakdown against Penn St. I dont think that was accurate giving Tenn was missing 1 starting receiver and lost another plus other offensive people during the game. All things being equal Tenn would have won that game becuase Penn states O was anemic to say the least. The SEC is till the best conference in my mind. If you need an expample of what it is like to play in the SEC day in and day out take a look at Wisc, Nebraksa and Penn state games. They scratched to get any offense together and the only points were on complete defesive breakdowns. All in all the SEC des played well giving up around their normal yardage per game. Nothing in this bowl season have i seen to change my mind that the SEC is still the toughest overall conference.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Denial ain't just a river in Africa.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

So who did Tennessee lose? I heard of one starter, but then again PSU was missing a defensive starter as well. So we always hear the SEC is better because of their incredible defenses, yet they "only lost because of defensive breakdowns". Newsflash, when your offense can't score and your defense is breaking down, that means you deserve to lose. And they deserved to lose because their opponents were better. Based upon your arguments making excuses for why they lost, there is no possible way to prove that anyone is better than any SEC team. How convient for them.

Seriously, that was one of the most desperate attempts to defend the SEC I've ever read.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Bama lost.
Tennessee lost.
Arkansas lost.

If ND can beat LSU and OSU beats UF that would mean 3 of the top 4 SEC teams lost their bowl games. But the sun was in their eyes, right?

SEC wins:
Auburn(Nice win over a good Nebraska team)
Georgia (What place did VT finish in the ACC?)
South Carolina (Houston. The Champ of the worst conference in D1)
Kentucky(Beat the best 4 loss team in the ACC)

Make any excuses you want, these results do not say "Dominant Conference"

 

[solo]

The big east is still as bad as I thought, The Big 11 still as weak as I thought. The SEC had one close loss on two defensive breakdowns (Ark.) They held PJ in check to 30 rushing yards. Wisc. D better than I expected. Ark still cant throw the ball. The SEC also had a breakdown against Penn St. I dont think that was accurate giving Tenn was missing 1 starting receiver and lost another plus other offensive people during the game. All things being equal Tenn would have won that game becuase Penn states O was anemic to say the least. The SEC is till the best conference in my mind. If you need an expample of what it is like to play in the SEC day in and day out take a look at Wisc, Nebraksa and Penn state games. They scratched to get any offense together and the only points were on complete defesive breakdowns. All in all the SEC des played well giving up around their normal yardage per game. Nothing in this bowl season have i seen to change my mind that the SEC is still the toughest overall conference.

I still think the SEC is the best conference, but not by as much as I thought.

Now, did you watch the PSU-Tenn game? PSU's big bruising rb lit them up for like 160 yards. The team rushed for 180 yards against the vaunted Tenn D. And PSU could have won that game by a lot more if they have a FG kicker. I would hardly call that scratching to get any offense together.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

I still think the SEC is the best conference, but not by as much as I thought.

Now, did you watch the PSU-Tenn game? PSU's big bruising rb lit them up for like 160 yards. The team rushed for 180 yards against the vaunted Tenn D. And PSU could have won that game by a lot more if they have a FG kicker. I would hardly call that scratching to get any offense together.

Arkansas ran for more against them. Tenn is not the vaunted d that it once was. but most teams performed well with the exception of a few breakdowns. Tenn had some injuries in the game and were basically down two starting recievers for the game. TOs killed them as well. PSU did not show me as much as Tenn was dissappointing in thier performance.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Bama lost.
Tennessee lost.
Arkansas lost.

If ND can beat LSU and OSU beats UF that would mean 3 of the top 4 SEC teams lost their bowl games. But the sun was in their eyes, right?

SEC wins:
Auburn(Nice win over a good Nebraska team)
Georgia (What place did VT finish in the ACC?)
South Carolina (Houston. The Champ of the worst conference in D1)
Kentucky(Beat the best 4 loss team in the ACC)

Make any excuses you want, these results do not say "Dominant Conference"

what other conference put 9 teams into the bowls this year? What other conferences consistently have 5-8 teams in the top 25 every year. Seems to me like you are asking the wrong questions when trying to make your point. Your blind hate of the SEC is amusing.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Denial ain't just a river in Africa.

yes and youranidiot aint too far from the truth.

 

[weisbankaccount]

here is my standard rant on the SEC: If you say "SEC" everyone goes "wow, the SEC is the best conference" - this is basically every year. If you actually take each team individually and look at them, its just a conference of parody. No great teams, no terrible teams.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

here is my standard rant on the SEC: If you say "SEC" everyone goes "wow, the SEC is the best conference" - this is basically every year. If you actually take each team individually and look at them, its just a conference of parody. No great teams, no terrible teams.

my standard reply would normally be that i agree, that of the elite teams ( top 10), the SEC has 2 of them (Florida and LSU this year. next year it will be two others.) But no other conference has as much parity as the SEC like you said bankacct. I just dont know why this argument even matters. Alls i can say is any other conference would love to have the numerous rivalries that the SEC has. There is no comparison that out of the 12 games played every year by each team, 4-5 of the games are huge rivalries with a lot at stake cause at least 6 of the teams will be ranked and jockey for position in to the BCS. Some years more some years less, but i still dont see any conference as a whole that can compare.

 

[solo]

what other conference put 9 teams into the bowls this year? What other conferences consistently have 5-8 teams in the top 25 every year. Seems to me like you are asking the wrong questions when trying to make your point. Your blind hate of the SEC is amusing.

I am not an SEC hater here, though we do have some on the board. But you can't make light of the bowl losses. The SEC schedules down out of conference. They play patsy OOC opponents because of how hard the regular season is. That's fine. But them when you step out of conference and play a legit team, as in the bowl games, you better win.

I still think the SEC is the best conference this year, but the bowl performance tells me that the conference is not quite all I thought it was.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

There are 32 bowl games. An SEC team with a 2-6 conference record still made a bowl game because the OOC is embarrassing. You just need 6 wins to become bowl eligible. You can count 1-AA victory towards that. That means you just need to beat 5 Div 1 teams. With the garbage OOC games SEC teams play, EVERY team in the SEC should go to a bowl game if it is so great. Rankings? Please they are joke. We've gone over this a thousand times. They don't mean anything unless you beat someone good outside of your conference. So far, Auburn is the only SEC leader to beat anyone. Now LSU and UF could both win and that would be something you could build an argument around, but making excuses for why the other SEC leaders lost is juvenile. Nebraska is the biggest out of conference win for the entire conference all year. That's pathetic.

The fact that you still make the argument that losing bowl games doesn't mean they aren't the best conference is amusing. Stop making excuses for them. They lost. They are not dominating anyone and the best SEC teams are the ones losing their bowl games. Your blind support for a conference who's best teams are losing bowl games is amusing.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

I am not an SEC hater here, though we do have some on the board. But you can't make light of the bowl losses. The SEC schedules down out of conference. They play patsy OOC opponents because of how hard the regular season is. That's fine. But them when you step out of conference and play a legit team, as in the bowl games, you better win.

I still think the SEC is the best conference this year, but the bowl performance tells me that the conference is not quite all I thought it was.

I understand what you are saying and i dont think you are, but the bowl picture is not the end all be all. The bowl season does not prove anything to me. No team is hot going into a bowl game due to the layoff, It isnt always business like a regular season game is, there are numerous distractions etc..., I agree the SEC should schedule tougher OOC games but that would just mean that those teasm that do would get A+ schedules instead of A schedules. Splitting hairs really.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

There are 32 bowl games. An SEC team with a 2-6 conference record still made a bowl game because the OOC is embarrassing. You just need 6 wins to become bowl eligible. You can count 1-AA victory towards that. That means you just need to beat 5 Div 1 teams. With the garbage OOC games SEC teams play, EVERY team in the SEC should go to a bowl game if it is so great. Rankings? Please they are joke. We've gone over this a thousand times. They don't mean anything unless you beat someone good outside of your conference. So far, Auburn is the only SEC leader to beat anyone. Now LSU and UF could both win and that would be something you could build an argument around, but making excuses for why the other SEC leaders lost is juvenile. Nebraska is the biggest out of conference win for the entire conference all year. That's pathetic.

The fact that you still make the argument that losing bowl games doesn't mean they aren't the best conference is amusing. Stop making excuses for them. They lost. They are not dominating anyone and the best SEC teams are the ones losing their bowl games. Your blind support for a conference who's best teams are losing bowl games is amusing.

I dont need to make an argument for them. you are just bent on spreading hate and that is fine. You cant convince anyone who doesnt want to be convinced. Im sure you can see the truth in that. I could spew all the facts that you want and it still would not make a difference. Bowl games dont mean shit.

 

[scooper]

I think the SEC has a very very very slight lead for best conference. Their middle and bottom are better than other conferences middle and bottom. Their top teams are struggling. That will continue tomorrow and next weekend.


Thank you.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

I dont need to make an argument for them. you are just bent on spreading hate and that is fine. You cant convince anyone who doesnt want to be convinced. Im sure you can see the truth in that. I could spew all the facts that you want and it still would not make a difference. Bowl games dont mean shit.

Spew some facts. I can be convinced. Just save the "rankings" argument. It's the only one SEC fans have. Show me something else and I'm mature enough to admit you're right. I've been spewing wins/losses facts. You spewed insults and subjective opinions and questioned the intelligence of anyone indignant enough to challenge the "superiority" of the SEC. As far as bowl games and OOC games don't mean shit, that's the equivalent of a white flag for an SEC fan. SEC teams refuse to acknowledge any OOC or bowl losses because to do so would be admitting their lack of dominance.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Spew some facts. I can be convinced. Just save the "rankings" argument. It's the only one SEC fans have. Show me something else and I'm mature enough to admit you're right. I've been spewing wins/losses facts. You spewed insults and subjective opinions and questioned the intelligence of anyone indignant enough to challenge the "superiority" of the SEC. As far as bowl games and OOC games don't mean shit, that's the equivalent of a white flag for an SEC fan. SEC teams refuse to acknowledge any OOC or bowl losses because to do so would be admitting their lack of dominance.

Insults? right! whats my moms necklace made of? i have a lik for you....

www.moveon.org.

 

[lattedatte]

lattedatte's conferences rankings up thru today:

1. SEC
2. B10
T3. BE, B12
5. Pac 10
6. ACC

I only can base this on what I've seen with my own eyes. I will flip flop the SEC and B10 if OSU beats Florida. I will also drop the BE from T3 to 4 if Louisville loses which is a strong possibility, Wake is good.

 

[FleaFlicker]

An example of why the SEC isn't as great as everyone says... and some others have said it here too.

Imagine that Penn State wins two of their games, like one against OSU, and one against UM. That would put 4 of thier teams in or real close to the top 10. If a few of their horrible teams like Illinois get one or two more wins, the Big 10 could be the best conference...

UM would have had two losses, OSU 1 loss, Wisconsin 1 loss, Penn State 2 losses. In reality, PSU could have played no better or worse in those games, but if UM and/or OSU plays much worse than they did, the conference actually looks stronger by comparison.

Obviously the bowls are extremely helpful when comparing two conferences, because each conference's power will finally be judged against opponents outside of the conference.

The SEC had one of the worst (if not the worst) OOC schedule this year. That is one of the reasons that most of their teams have a few more wins than other teams. It isn't that hard when you routinely schedule Div1AA and horrible schools on your schedule.

Their argument is that the SEC schedule is tough enough. It is plenty tough, but the only times you can accurately compare where the SEC top teams sit is in their bowl games. So the fact that Arkansas lost to Wisconsin, Tennessee lost to PSU, Auburn barely scraped by a Nebraska team with 4 losses, says to me that they aren't near what people have been saying they are.

If, for some reason, LSU blows out ND, and Florida beats OSU, or gives them a really good game, then it will boost my opinion of the SEC again. But until then, they have amazing defenses because their offenses aren't very good.

We put up 41 points on Penn State, Tennessee put up 10, and that was supposed to be one of the best offenses in the SEC early in the year.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Insults? right! whats my moms necklace made of? i have a lik for you....

www.moveon.org.

I never said I didn't insult you, stop assuming things! This is the 2nd time on this message board you've done that now.

Asking if I shit gold and can cure cancer with a smile is an insult in most countries. I do recall you asking if I shit gold and can cure cancer with a smile (an insult). To which I replied, "Yes, what do you think your mother's necklace is made of?"(a insulting retort). The moral of the story is...if you don't want to be insulted, don't insult others. Don't be mad because I was better at it.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

An example of why the SEC isn't as great as everyone says... and some others have said it here too.

Imagine that Penn State wins two of their games, like one against OSU, and one against UM. That would put 4 of thier teams in or real close to the top 10. If a few of their horrible teams like Illinois get one or two more wins, the Big 10 could be the best conference...

UM would have had two losses, OSU 1 loss, Wisconsin 1 loss, Penn State 2 losses. In reality, PSU could have played no better or worse in those games, but if UM and/or OSU plays much worse than they did, the conference actually looks stronger by comparison.

Obviously the bowls are extremely helpful when comparing two conferences, because each conference's power will finally be judged against opponents outside of the conference.

The SEC had one of the worst (if not the worst) OOC schedule this year. That is one of the reasons that most of their teams have a few more wins than other teams. It isn't that hard when you routinely schedule Div1AA and horrible schools on your schedule.

Their argument is that the SEC schedule is tough enough. It is plenty tough, but the only times you can accurately compare where the SEC top teams sit is in their bowl games. So the fact that Arkansas lost to Wisconsin, Tennessee lost to PSU, Auburn barely scraped by a Nebraska team with 4 losses, says to me that they aren't near what people have been saying they are.

If, for some reason, LSU blows out ND, and Florida beats OSU, or gives them a really good game, then it will boost my opinion of the SEC again. But until then, they have amazing defenses because their offenses aren't very good.

We put up 41 points on Penn State, Tennessee put up 10, and that was supposed to be one of the best offenses in the SEC early in the year.

FleaFlicker, you are making too much sense and using actually game outcomes and scores. Clearly this means you are a blind SEC hater.

 

[lattedatte]

lattedatte's conferences rankings up thru today:

1. SEC
2. B10
T3. BE, B12
5. Pac 10
6. ACC

I only can base this on what I've seen with my own eyes. I will flip flop the SEC and B10 if OSU beats Florida. I will also drop the BE from T3 to 4 if Louisville loses which is a strong possibility, Wake is good.

Wait see upated standings below:

1. SEC
2. B10
T3. BE, B12
5. Pac 10
6. Mountain West
7. ACC

BYU, Utah, TCU can hang with a lot of the big boys and in fact did beat a couple.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

I never said I didn't insult you, stop assuming things! This is the 2nd time on this message board you've done that now.

Asking if I shit gold and can cure cancer with a smile is an insult in most countries. I do recall you asking if I shit gold and can cure cancer with a smile (an insult). To which I replied, "Yes, what do you think your mother's necklace is made of?"(a insulting retort). The moral of the story is...if you don't want to be insulted, don't insult others. Don't be mad because I was better at it.

better at it? once again that is a matter of opinion just like everything else on this planet. Its the eye of the beholder and only an arrogant and petulant child would think they have any control over truth or reality if there actualluy is any at all.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

better at it? once again that is a matter of opinion just like everything else on this planet. Its the eye of the beholder and only an arrogant and petulant child would think they have any control over truth or reality if there actualluy is any at all.

Well, at least I can say today I helped someone. You now know how to spell "arrogant" correctly. We'll need to work on "actualluy".

The philosophy class is paying off for you as well. As far as the arrogance of a petulant child thinking they control truth, it would appear that you somehow do not think this applies to you and your opinion that the SEC is BETTER than anyone else.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Well, at least I can say today I helped someone. You now know how to spell "arrogant" correctly. We'll need to work on "actualluy".

The philosophy class is paying off for you as well. As far as the arrogance of a petulant child thinking they control truth, it would appear that you somehow do not think this applies to you and your opinion that the SEC is BETTER than anyone else.

reverse pschology works well for you. Do you really think i care how i spell on a message board? Are you going to belittle me cause i do not capitalize my i's as well? tool.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

reverse pschology works well for you. Do you really think i care how i spell on a message board? Are you going to belittle me cause i do not capitalize my i's as well? tool.

I guess you failed pyschology since nothing I have said has even resembled reverse psychology. I was pointing out you called me arrogant for doing nothing more than you were doing, which was arguing that my opinion was correct. If I were to employ reverse psychology, I would have said "You know what, the SEC really is the best conference and every other conference is absolutely horrible". To which you may have responded, "Well, the SEC is the best conference, but the other conferences may be very close to being just as good." That would have been using reverse psychology.

No one is being belittled. To say that is a sad attempt at setting yourself up as the victim, when in fact, you have been an active participant in mudslinging.

I apologize if I seriously hurt your feelings.

 

[Timugen]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17353

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

#2 SEC loses to #3 B10
#2 SEC East loses to B10 #4

I'm not impressed at all, especially if #1 SEC loses to #1 B10

B10 looking for a sweep of the SEC