If one more person says fire Minter....

[FleaFlicker]

In regards to the rant, I don't agree with his analysis of Quinn at all. When you are watching a game on TV, all you see if the QB and how he reacts. Jeff and Rhema were getting no separation all night, even the comentators were saying it. Neither of them made catches they were supposed to, and there were at least 4-5 drops that were near perfect placement.

To have your receivers not getting much separation at all, and when they do, and you hit them in the hands, they drop it... well it is pretty hard to accomplish a lot of things as a passing offense. Not to mention I remember 3 specific plays where the ball was in the perfect spot, and a USC defender made an amazing swipe at it.

That being said, I find it pretty amazing that he didn't throw an INT amidst all of that tight coverage. They had more talent at practically every position, and their defense was heads and shoulders above ours. That was the difference.

Also, to see Brady get absolutely creamed by a 300+ DL, and then get right back in there, speaks volumes about how tough he is. He landed right on his shoulder, with the DL on top of him. If you saw him trying to warm-up after that, you could see him saying "Fuck me..." after a couple of the throws.....

And he got right back in there and threw some great passes after that.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

BQ had 3 td's, no int's, 250+ yards and a 60 yard run against a team going to the National Championship. All while his receivers dropped passes. Yeah, he sucks.

 

[Clotho]

Brady, even new, post-Weis Brady, has struggled against tough defenses and pressure. This is a fact. He hasn't Rex Grossman struggled, but he's struggled.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

If we are including the USC game as "struggled", I can't agree. But you're right, why would I believe every Scout when we are such experts from our arm chairs?

 

[NDAlumSon]

While I've had questions about Brady.....he was not the trouble in the second half of the year. Especially in the USC game.
Except for a couple of missed opportunities, (and which ND player didn't have missed opportunities Saturday) he played a good game.
Not Heisman great. Not 1st round draft choice great. Just good.....unfortunately.

 

[Clotho]

If we are including the USC game as "struggled", I can't agree. But you're right, why would I believe every Scout when we are such experts from our arm chairs?

Well, since you're just going to be a jackass and not even argue from reality-

Four toughest D's Brady faces this year? USC, Michigan, Ga Tech, UCLA. Brady's four worst games this year? USC, Michigan, Ga Tech, UCLA. Against SC he complete 48.9% of his passes. Against Ga Tech he failed to throw a TD. Against Michigan he threw 3 interceptions.

Last year, he had his worst QB rating under Weis yet in the game against SC. His other worst games? Ohio St, Michigan, and Syracuse= aka the best D's we faced.

It's simply a fact. You don't like it, tough.

 

[Clotho]

And again, QB ratings disagree with you and say he struggled. As indeed he did- or did you somehow miss him airmailing receivers when we were down 11 and got back to back turnovers in SC territory, and couldn't get any points? That was Brady. He threw it a ton and didn't even complete half of his passes. Even granting him the drops McKnight had, it's not a particularly good performance.

 

[rontdtarchala]

jersey he is a talented young man no doubt...but the facts (as I and I alone...ok?) see it is while he is no doubt tuff as nails still gets his brain in overload when pressured...and yes there were so many dropped balls I almost chocked on the cracked crab I was scarfing...but he missed far too many passes do to pressure and pressure only...what made me the maddest was when ty (still gives me the willy's) was coach whenever he threw a crappy pass he always made shitty faces like its always their fault not mine like a little spoiled bitch....I saw that saturday on atleast 10 occations...thought he was passed that....

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Well, since you're just going to be a jackass and not even argue from reality-

Four toughest D's Brady faces this year? USC, Michigan, Ga Tech, UCLA. Brady's four worst games this year? USC, Michigan, Ga Tech, UCLA. Against SC he complete 48.9% of his passes. Against Ga Tech he failed to throw a TD. Against Michigan he threw 3 interceptions.

Last year, he had his worst QB rating under Weis yet in the game against SC. His other worst games? Ohio St, Michigan, and Syracuse= aka the best D's we faced.

It's simply a fact. You don't like it, tough.

Dude, seriously, take a valium. You're a angry, crazy little man who is mad at the Notre Dame football team for letting you down. If you are such a guru and you are so correct, why is BQ expected to go in the top 3 in the NFL draft? If you're trying to argue that Brady Quinn isn't a good quarterback than I guess you're the jackass.

By the way, my two postings listed his stats for the USC game and the fact that NFL scouts list him as the Top QB and possible #1 pick in the draft. Those are facts. How is that not in reality?

 

[jerseyborn1971]

I still don't agree with you and you still don't agree with me, and neither of us will convince the other. So let's just drop it.

 

[Clotho]

Because you're not addressing my argument. You're addressing an argument (Brady struggles against pressure and has had his worst 8 games under Weis against the best 8 defenses he's faced) by saying, "Oh yea well you're a jerk and Brady is going to be drafted very high! So nyah!"

Address the points. Are you arguing that Brady doesn't struggle against good defenses?

 

[Clotho]

Oh now when the facts are obviously against you it's "let's just drop it." No. You could've dropped it before making a post attacking me. But you didn't. So now I won't drop it. Address the point.

 

[njuneardave]

If you saw him trying to warm-up after that, you could see him saying "Fuck me..." after a couple of the throws.....

lol, no he didnt.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Because you're not addressing my argument. You're addressing an argument (Brady struggles against pressure and has had his worst 8 games under Weis against the best 8 defenses he's faced) by saying, "Oh yea well you're a jerk and Brady is going to be drafted very high! So nyah!"

Address the points. Are you arguing that Brady doesn't struggle against good defenses?

I'll concede the offense sometimes struggles against pressure defenses. Team sports are most often not played in a vacuum. Peyton Manning would struggle against pressure defense if the o-line is terrible, the running game is anemic and the play calling his poor. You label Brady Quinn as struggling with pressure, yet take no notice of the other 10 guys on the field and coaches on the sidelines. One guy alone can not handle pressure defense if the others aren't doing their part to alleviate or neutralize that pressure. Putting it all on Brady's shoulders is simply looking for a scapegoat.

Nearly all of your posts are negative and and looking for someone to blame. I'm confused as to how or why you post on a ND site that the team is terrible when they have a 10-2 record and then seem startled when you not received warmly.

I don't come hear to argue, apparently you do. If you didn't, not every one of your posts would be a scathing criticism of the program. I guess we all just love the program in different ways. I know I'm a homer. But I hope you understand that you come off as a self-loathing whiner when that probably isn't really your aim.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

I didn't drop it. I just wanted to actually post something thought out rather than an incoherent anger filled challenge. Now, I'm done. And I don't care if you like it.

 

[TexasDomer]

lol, no he didnt.

Actually, that's what I thought he was saying, too.

 

[FleaFlicker]

I'll concede the offense sometimes struggles against pressure defenses. Team sports are most often not played in a vacuum. Peyton Manning would struggle against pressure defense if the o-line is terrible, the running game is anemic and the play calling his poor. You label Brady Quinn as struggling with pressure, yet take no notice of the other 10 guys on the field and coaches on the sidelines. One guy alone can not handle pressure defense if the others aren't doing their part to alleviate or neutralize that pressure. Putting it all on Brady's shoulders is simply looking for a scapegoat.

Nearly all of your posts are negative and and looking for someone to blame. I'm confused as to how or why you post on a ND site that the team is terrible when they have a 10-2 record and then seem startled when you not received warmly.

I don't come hear to argue, apparently you do. If you didn't, not every one of your posts would be a scathing criticism of the program. I guess we all just love the program in different ways. I know I'm a homer. But I hope you understand that you come off as a self-loathing whiner when that probably isn't really your aim.

Thank you for saying what I was thinking.

That USC defense is good.

Remember when Cal was ripping apart people on offense, all this "Nate Longshore" this and "Marshawn Lynch" that? Cal had 275 yards total against USC. We had 404.

Yeah, USC punched them in the mouth in that game. That doesn't make either of those guys bad players, it means that USC handed it to them because their TEAM on DEFENSE was better than Cal's team on offense. You know, all 11 players...

The issue wasn't our offensive yardage, it was executing when we had the ball in their territory. There was a pass or two off the mark from Quinn, but nobody is perfect. Nobody. If 3 of those balls aren't dropped, we are sitting pretty in each of those situations.

 

[KMac151993]

Once again....so many people are missing the point I was making. No one needs to be fired and if you are a fan of ND no one on this team sucks, bottom line. What sucks is the attitude these players and coaches took into that game. No one was fired up and wanted to win that football game. There were only a couple moments when Brady showed emotion. If Zibby is such a tough guy why doesn't he step up and get in guys faces and be a captain. The attitude and emotion have to change in order for ND to win a championship until then "10-2 will just have to be good enough". I think why so many fans are running their mouths and saying people suck is because they are frustrated at the fact this team had enough talent to win a championship or at least compete for one. 2 blowouts in one year pushed them over the edge. Weis and the rest of the coaches need to sit down and beat this lack of emotion and effort, and he himself needs to get down off his high horse and realize that Super Bowl rings and all don't mean jack shit at this level. I will trust that he gets this ship turned around and brings back all those things that he told us about.

 

[Stealingshrimp]

OT
My biggest beef with this team is not the failed 4th down conversions but the ammount of times we get into 4th down. The defense didn't get very great field position on all these missed 4th downs.

 

[rontdtarchala]

geez ya'll you just don't get it....we have enough talent and more importantly intelligence to compete with anybody...there was a total lack of coherency, teamwork, emotion etc. etc. on both sides of the ball saturday...people were out of position everywhere...when one group did well on a given play another group was playing on a field in a parallel universe. there is no reason or ryme to what was going on on the field....
jersey heres a hint I have been a Notre Dame fanatic since I am able to remember...I am 47 years old have been to many more events on campus than most and don't you ever tell me not to come on this site...I love Our Lady and I have put up with enough crap over the years to say exactly what I think.....thank you very much!~!!!!