Heisman watch, Quinn vs. Smtih

[tedwick]

Give me a break.....Colt McCoy? You can't be serious. Colt hasn't beaten anyone good all year.....I'm not sure Oklahoma counts, but it's his best win.

He's had 1 maybe 2 bad games.....the only truley bad game was Illinois. Smith excelled against a team that Quinn severely struggled against.

You'd be surprised about McCoy. I was too when my friend pointed it out to me. He's put up HUGE numbers this year. His team has beaten Nebraska (8-3) and Oklahoma (9-2), as well as Texas Tech (7-4). He had his worst game against Ohio State (1TD, 1INT, 60%, 154YDS). Not nearly as bad as Troy Smith's terrible games against Illinois (0TD, 1INT, 56%, 115YDS) and Penn State (1TD, 2INT, 54%, 115YDS). And he's a freshman.

Penn State isn't a "maybe" bad game, by the way. Smith played pretty terribly, and his only "shining moment" was the bomb to Ginn, which was more Ginn's speed than anything else. OSU escaped that game because Morelli isn't good, not because of anything Troy Smith did.

Oh... Brady Quinn's worst game? Against Michigan. And his stats? 3TD, 3INT, 50%, 234YDS. Only one of those INTs was Quinn's fault. Its not struggling in the manner Smith did against Illinois and Penn State. I'd say that's a much better "worst game" than either of Troy Smith's. The only other "bad game" Quinn's had? MSU. 5TD, 1INT, 55.6%, 319YDS. Even when Quinn isn't at his 65.1% clip, he's a difference maker. On Smith's off days, he just curled up.

The thing is, Smith can get away with having games worse than other Heisman contenders because his team is the best in the nation. He takes off days and the rest of his team pulls through. And the media sees past that because he played well against Texas and Michigan.

(Sidenote on McCoy: Did anyone else know he's 20 years old? Last time we hear whining about Clausen being OMG 18.)

 

[tedwick]

Are there no couches left to occupy your time?

no. sadly, there aren't.



: D

 

[OSU_Fan14]

show me once where i've taken a jab at ND........just once

 

[njuneardave]

He's had 1 maybe 2 bad games.....the only truley bad game was Illinois. Smith excelled against a team that Quinn severely struggled against.

Quinn excelled against PSU... which Smith struggled mightily against. Smith also stunk the stadium at MSU, while Brady lit it up. Smith tore up Michigan, Brady struggled. Wow, there you go.... all three common opponents. Brady 2. Troy 1.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Just look in the mirror...



Right. Just compare the Yards per attempt, pass eficiency, completion % and # or attempts, and you'll notice the difference.

Atta boy, keep dancing for me! I'd like to see a little more venom though. Ya know, hit me with an "over-rated" or "weak schedule" or "Charlie is fat" or something. I do like your cafeteria style picking and choosing of stats though.

All in all, not a bad little number. Now, seeing as though you are an OSU fan on an ND site, you must be my little DANCING HATER MONKEY whenever I command.

DANCE MONKEY DANCE!

 

[marv81s]

your getting a lot of these hater monkey's lately jersey from osu. What is bringing all of these osu fans onto our website all of a sudden.

If they were saying something that came close to sounding like or resembling a logical thought I wouldn't mind, but I haven't seen one yet. There is something you won't see too much of, "idea" and "osu fan" in the same sentense.

 

[tedwick]

your getting a lot of these hater monkey's lately jersey from osu. What is bringing all of these osu fans onto our website all of a sudden.

If they were saying something that came close to sounding like or resembling a logical thought I wouldn't mind, but I haven't seen one yet. There is something you won't see too much of, "idea" and "osu fan" in the same sentense.

because they're probably worried they'll see the irish in the title game. so they've got to get their smack started early.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

your getting a lot of these hater monkey's lately jersey from osu. What is bringing all of these osu fans onto our website all of a sudden.

If they were saying something that came close to sounding like or resembling a logical thought I wouldn't mind, but I haven't seen one yet. There is something you won't see too much of, "idea" and "osu fan" in the same sentense.

That is why I love them so much rather than get upset by them. You can't be upset with a child acting silly.

The Dancing Hater Monkey's are my amusement. I kind of feel guilty sometimes though. No one should laugh at mentally challenged.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Troy Smith's 2008 Professional Stats

Rentals Per Day: 21
Rentals Per Hour: 2.1
Average Rate: $47.65/day
Damage Claims per Month: 3

Overall, he is overachieving, but I'd like to see those Damage Claims come down.

 

[FleaFlicker]

Anyone who has access to Rivals, I highly suggest you look at the highlight clips between Quinn and Smith.

If you look at the two QB's, based on that, you see some really clear pictures...

1. About 80-85% of Smith's passes are aimed at hitting his receivers within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. COmpared to Quinn, who probably throw 65% in that area.

2. Almost all of the yards attributed to him are because of outstanding plays by Gonzalez and Ginn. Every pass that is throw 3 yards from the line of scrimmage, like a quick crossing route, goes for 20-25 yards.

3. When he is pressured, his footwork is terrible. He often timesends up in a fielder's position after throwing the ball.

4. When he misses his target, he misses short, this would account for not that many interceptions. Only 1/5 incomplete passes is over someone's head, it is almost always too low for them, or they come back and dive to the ball to make the catch.

Quinn doesn't look perfect, but, Rivals does a good job of identifying two scenarios. When Quinn is pressured, and when Quinn has time. He looks decent when pressured, and damn near perfect when he has good protection.