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C'mon, Pat Hayden may not be a ND homer when he's off the air, but he does a very convincing impression of one during the broadcasts. Clearly he was a drama major at SCum.
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C'mon, Pat Hayden may not be a ND homer when he's off the air, but he does a very convincing impression of one during the broadcasts. Clearly he was a drama major at SCum.
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and a Rhodes Scholar, btw.
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Obviously NBC has a blatant love-affair with ND. But it isn't that they ciritcize other schools, and love ND, they ONLY talk about ND.
That is the difference.
These other "writers" and ESPN/ABC, etc... they talk about ALL of college football and are therefore projecting themselves as overall coverage of CFB... So when they keep showing anti-ND bias, it is much more effective because they do it under the haze of being "objective".
Very similar to the idea that it is ok if a liberal tv station KNOWS and SAYS it is liberal, and then goes about reporting the news under that mentallity, compared to a network like FOX... which reports the news as if it is the "unbiased" news network, when they are clearly conservative. If you are going to lean one way, at least admit to it, then I have no problem with it.
That is the difference.
These other "writers" and ESPN/ABC, etc... they talk about ALL of college football and are therefore projecting themselves as overall coverage of CFB... So when they keep showing anti-ND bias, it is much more effective because they do it under the haze of being "objective".
Very similar to the idea that it is ok if a liberal tv station KNOWS and SAYS it is liberal, and then goes about reporting the news under that mentallity, compared to a network like FOX... which reports the news as if it is the "unbiased" news network, when they are clearly conservative. If you are going to lean one way, at least admit to it, then I have no problem with it.
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You people need to stop getting in hissy-fits over trash talk. If we didnt get waxed at home to scUM, none of this shit would be spewed to begin with.
Whatever happened to the 'win out' mentality? We have had just about EVERY break come our way this season, and all you people want to do is bitch about who called us names. ND has a lot more to worry about than Mandel, May, and Whitlock's petty words.
Whatever happened to the 'win out' mentality? We have had just about EVERY break come our way this season, and all you people want to do is bitch about who called us names. ND has a lot more to worry about than Mandel, May, and Whitlock's petty words.
Honestly, I like Mandel. I think his approach to rankings is as good as there is. He doesn't unreasonably rank WVU ahead of Louisville two weeks post defeat like a lot of voters is one example. And I think he tries to rank teams as to how they're playing currently, which is how it should be done. Is his ranking of notre dame fair? probably not. but the only team that jumped ND this week in his mind was rutgers, and understandably so. plus, notre dame, for the last month or so, ND has beat nothing but inferior competition, which usually doesn't do much towards impressing pundits. It doesn't impress them to the point where they're comfortable moving ND up around the 5 spot after ND made all those preseason predictors look stupid earlier in the year when they played michigan. One last thing, and he even points this out, is that his rankings mean NOTHING. no point in getting worked up over it, as long as ND plays well for the rest of the season, they'll be ranked where they deserve to be. And mandel still has the irish playing in the bcs in his predictions, which makes me think that his 3 TD loss to USC comment is just blowhard. Even haters like him know it will be a good game.
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Completely agree....the more these a-holes complain about (the 'weak' schedule, the media bias, the referee bias, etc) the more you know that they are rationalizing in their minds that the inevitable is true - ND is WAY back on the landscape.
Going slightly off track, I look at it as very similar to the Tiger Woods haters.....the more complaining people do about him, the more you know that he is dominating.
While ND are not dominant YET, you can almost see the picture forming of the haters curling up into the fetal position and grabbing any security blanket they can find. Last year's bitching was that we lost to an unranked MSU team and the #1 team at the time (didn't matter that we lost to MSU in OT or that we lost to SC on virtually the last play); this year the talk is that we got smacked-down by Mich (all of a sudden the score matters), and almost lost to GT and UCLA (now close counts).
I LOVE IT that these idiots are spending so much time worrying that ND IS BACK!!!
What breaks would those be? That our road game against Ga Tech, supposedly a game against a 35-45 quality team, turned out to be a potential top 10 opponent, and we almost lost? Or that sure-handed John Carlson mishandled a pass and started the ball rolling on the Michigan debacle, and gave a good team the confidence it needed to appear great, for one day? That ND kept beating people by two or three touchdowns yet getting jumped by SEC teams either not playing that week, or playing similar games against inferior opponents? Imagine where we'd be ranked if Florida hadn't jumped us on their bye week, while we went out and won a game.
What breaks?
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maybe he was referring to the recent breaks of other teams losing out of contention, pushing ND closer to the NC race. There were about a million things that had to go in our way and i'd say about 80% of those needed things have been accomplished and are now working out quite nicely into our favor...
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Clotho apparently wasnt watching TV last week.
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Actually you were right.
ND has received an early Christmas with all the fakers getting ousted at the 'BEST' or 'WORST' time during the season. I say best and worst depending upon the seat your sitting in.
NOTORIOUSLY, Teams that lose early are more likely to save themselves. ND effectively, would have been FUCKED in every sense of the word if we lost to scUM - by that margin - this late.
I strongly think ND, and the beloved fans need to take a chapter out of Phil Knight's book, and Just Do It.
ND has received an early Christmas with all the fakers getting ousted at the 'BEST' or 'WORST' time during the season. I say best and worst depending upon the seat your sitting in.
NOTORIOUSLY, Teams that lose early are more likely to save themselves. ND effectively, would have been FUCKED in every sense of the word if we lost to scUM - by that margin - this late.
I strongly think ND, and the beloved fans need to take a chapter out of Phil Knight's book, and Just Do It.
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Alan Pickett. The only name being thrown out as Pro-ND bias. 1 guy? 1 guy? NBC has a vested financial interest in Notre Dame. Saying they have an ND bias is like saying Charlie Weis has an ND bias.
1 guy? That's all anyone can come up with. How about someone who people actually know?
1 guy? That's all anyone can come up with. How about someone who people actually know?
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herbstreet is the class of television media. the guy is good. the espn.com and si.com hacks should take a page from his book. corso is a bit loony, but i think that he gives everybody a unbiased opinion as well.
as far as mark may.......
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NBC = Dick Enberg, Pat Hayden, 4 hours of gushing publicity on an major network 7-8 times a year.
Notre Dame Central with Hayden and Pinkett.
CLouless Holtz on ESPN.
How many pro Michigan guys can you name? And I'm talking about guys who gush about Michigan all the time, as Enberg, Hayden, Holtz, & Pinkett do about ND? Desmond Howard on ESPN, who just started this year.
O$U has Herbstreit.
U$C has who? Mark May?
By the way, ESPN/ABC have a vested interest in the Big Ten, but they are a lot more objective about ND than NBC is. Not saying they're always totally fair, just that they're a lot closer to fair and balanced than NBC, which as you point out, has a financial stake in puffing up the Irish.
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Herbstreit benefits from sitting next to that ass clown Corso all these years. A freakin' begonia would look like a Rhodes Scholar after nearly a decade next to that moron.
And be careful when Herby is talking about Michigan. He pretends he's objective (except when he's on his Colscumbus radio show), but he's a Fuckeye through and through. I know it sticks in his craw that O$U was 0-3-1 against Michigan and won exactly zero Big Ten championships during the Herby era.
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Still no one outside of NBC, who we all agree have financial obligations to tout the Irish(it's like claiming whatever Ann Arbor radio station that covers the Wolverines is bias) and the the aforementioned Holtz & Pinkett.
I can't name any pro-Michigan guys. You now why? Because they don't sell papers or generate hits or enough interest from anyone on a regular basis. That wasn't even the issue being discussed.
So let's here the names of ALLL the media that is supposedly soooooo Pro-ND biased and not financially linked to the Irish.
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Desmond Howard's a UM homer when he's on GameDay.
In terms of ND, I think most of the media need to take lithium for their manic-depressive treatment of the Irish. We are either a juggernaut run by a robot genius and a rocket-armed cyborg; or we are an overrated team exposed by Michigan who has played no one of consequence. Based on one game early in the year, all the excessively positive buzz has been replaced by excessively negative buzz.
In terms of ND, I think most of the media need to take lithium for their manic-depressive treatment of the Irish. We are either a juggernaut run by a robot genius and a rocket-armed cyborg; or we are an overrated team exposed by Michigan who has played no one of consequence. Based on one game early in the year, all the excessively positive buzz has been replaced by excessively negative buzz.
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Fresh hate from Stewie's CF Mailbag on si.com:
I'm curious. What if after everything shakes out we have a one-loss Michigan team and a one-loss Notre Dame team left?
--Clarence, Lathrup Village, Mich.
You'll have to excuse me ... I just vomited into a trash can next to me. Remember all that space I devoted above how bad it would be to have an Ohio State-Michigan rematch? You just found the one scenario that would be worse.
In fact, I think this is why I have a hard time taking Notre Dame seriously in the national title discussion, even though the computers suggest they should be right in the mix. The fact is, we have no idea whether or not Florida can beat Ohio State or Michigan. Same with USC. Arkansas. Rutgers. Even Boise State. Maybe they can. Maybe they'd lose by 30. We don't know. But we do know that the Irish can't beat them -- they've been crushed by both this calendar year. At least with a team like Arkansas, there have been significant changes in its personnel/strategy since the beginning of the year to suggest that maybe, just maybe, the Razorbacks could beat USC this time around (though I'm certainly not saying it's a given). But the Irish are the same exact team they were on Sept. 16. Still the same great quarterback and receivers -- and still the same slow defense and anemic running game.
So even if ND does best USC, I kind of feel like, why bother? Is that wrong? Should I not be saying that? If NBC blacklists me, I'm going to be really ticked, because there would go any remaining hope of meeting Jenna Fischer.
I'm curious. What if after everything shakes out we have a one-loss Michigan team and a one-loss Notre Dame team left?
--Clarence, Lathrup Village, Mich.
You'll have to excuse me ... I just vomited into a trash can next to me. Remember all that space I devoted above how bad it would be to have an Ohio State-Michigan rematch? You just found the one scenario that would be worse.
In fact, I think this is why I have a hard time taking Notre Dame seriously in the national title discussion, even though the computers suggest they should be right in the mix. The fact is, we have no idea whether or not Florida can beat Ohio State or Michigan. Same with USC. Arkansas. Rutgers. Even Boise State. Maybe they can. Maybe they'd lose by 30. We don't know. But we do know that the Irish can't beat them -- they've been crushed by both this calendar year. At least with a team like Arkansas, there have been significant changes in its personnel/strategy since the beginning of the year to suggest that maybe, just maybe, the Razorbacks could beat USC this time around (though I'm certainly not saying it's a given). But the Irish are the same exact team they were on Sept. 16. Still the same great quarterback and receivers -- and still the same slow defense and anemic running game.
So even if ND does best USC, I kind of feel like, why bother? Is that wrong? Should I not be saying that? If NBC blacklists me, I'm going to be really ticked, because there would go any remaining hope of meeting Jenna Fischer.
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Actually, Mandel does have an AP vote. The Power Rankings is the ballot that he turns in.
You can see the full list of voters here.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/extern...ball_rankings/voters.php?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME
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HereComeTheIrish
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Bob Griese openly rooted for the Skunkbears on his weekly ABC vomit sessions. Had to keep a purge container within arms length of the couch in order to keep from staining the carpet.
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That's funny. I still find it hilarious how people act as if the Fiesta Bowl last year was a route... And does OSU have the same team rom last year? No, they have an all new defense.
Fact is, UM was a horrible game, Mandel can't possibly think that the game would be just as lopsided if we played it again.
And about the OSU game, if we stop OSU on 3rd and 11 with 6 minutes left to play, then we get the ball back, down 6 points, with a chance for a game winning drive. That is FAAAAAR from blown out.
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Argue not with morons because they lure you in and you look like one yourself. Run away, Flea...Run far...far away...
This guy is an a$$hole...take every word he utters with a grain of salt because it is useless.
HereComeTheIrish!!!
This guy is an a$$hole...take every word he utters with a grain of salt because it is useless.
HereComeTheIrish!!!
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Mandel is terrified that ND will get in the NC. He's making all these arguments against ONE team because he truly believes it might happen. His article should be interesting if ND pulls it off.
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This is why I'm glad the AP Rankings don't count toward the BCS.
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So, Mandel thinks that if the Irish played the skunkbears again that Notre Dame would turn the ball over 5 times and basically hand Michigan the game? I would be that if the Irish had a rematch w/ the Wolverines that Notre Dame would win. Yeah, Michigan has a nasty defense, and they did a good job against us.... but we gave them the blowout (just as Penn State gave US the blowout) on turnovers.
Funny how Mandel thinks that OSU blew out the Irish. Yeah, they put up pretty stats, but it would've been a WHOLE different ballgame if the refs got the call right and called the Zibby fumble return a complete catch.... the guy took 2 1/2 steps w/ posession of the ball -- it was obviously a fumble. If that call would've been overturned, we would've been tied.... in the 4th quarter
Funny how Mandel thinks that OSU blew out the Irish. Yeah, they put up pretty stats, but it would've been a WHOLE different ballgame if the refs got the call right and called the Zibby fumble return a complete catch.... the guy took 2 1/2 steps w/ posession of the ball -- it was obviously a fumble. If that call would've been overturned, we would've been tied.... in the 4th quarter
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Nice find man I have never seen that page before. After seeing who votes for who it is so regional its not funny. There are a few people who probably watch more then there regional games but its a good site to save to see who votes for who every week.
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Nice find man I have never seen that page before. After seeing who votes for who it is so regional its not funny. There are a few people who probably watch more then there regional games but its a good site to save to see who votes for who every week.
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HAHHAHAHHA Good Ole' Jason Whitlock has Tex, OU, and LSU ahead of the #9 team
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/...l_front/votes/10032.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME
He makes me tickle.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/...l_front/votes/10032.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME
He makes me tickle.
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Those AP votes are hysterical. You can almost guess the Top 10 of any of them before you open it up. I wonder if any of them look at the other votes and say, "man, I'm way off."
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How do you put Oklahoma in the top 10 right now? Or put Texas ahead of Notre Dame after they just lost to K-State? Oh, and I see he has Rutgers, Louisville, and WVU at 11-13. That's good Jason, put all the Big East teams right in a row, don't bother trying to analyzie where they should really go, or bother to note that RU is still undefeated and you have them at 11.
God I can't stand that guy...He's almost as bad as May...
God I can't stand that guy...He's almost as bad as May...