Day After Election Day

[marv81s]

I'll put my last post in here by saying that I'm a traditionalist. I see nothing wrong with having "Under God" and "In God We Trust" on our currentcy. Religious Morals are what our founding fathers built this country on. Go to any of the monuments in D.C. and you'll see how important these beliefs were to people like Lincoln, Jefferson, etc. I don't see/hear about how this imposes a religion on anyone, I don't feel preassure to pledge myself to a God by this. But like I said, maybe its just me, maybe I'm the asshole.

I figured you would support a referendum like that one. So its perfectly fine for a 14 year old girl to get an abortion without her p's finding out? There is something wrong with the p's knowing about this before a procedure like that is done on someone under the age of 18? Guess that is where the traditionalist in me comes out. It isn't like an abortion is a minor procedure and if the girl was abused, I still think the P's should know about it.

I will always have a problem with NAMBLA and the ACLU representing them. Just on an ethical side, I understand its all legal, just not ethical in my mind to represent a bunch of sick f**ks that prey on little boys. I guess me having a little son has a lot to do with my feelings on that. And I'll always have a problem with an american that joins up with a terrorist organization and helps plans for ways to kill other Americans. Whether its by supplying arms, video tapes or money, your a traitor and you do not deserve to be protected by the rights given to you by the US Constitution. Like I have said over and over again, we'll never agree on this, so why go back and forth. You see my logic as faulty and I don't. What the ACLU does is within the legal realm and that is fine, I just find it very unethical and not protecting american values. Like I said, I'm probably in the minority and wrong on that, but I can accept that.

here are soem lovely causes that the ACLU has taken up that I'm sure you will support.
http://www.aclu.org/scotus/2005/19938prs20050921.html
http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/relationships/19955prs20050921.html
http://www.aclu.org/reproductiverights/gen/20117prs20050921.html

Lastly, lets not forget about how the ACLU is very much against the minuteman project and has filed suit against them. I'm probably opening myself up for a ton of outrage by supporting the minutemen, but whatever. I guess people entering our coutry illegally are entitled to the same protection of OUR laws that you and are.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I'll put my last post in here by saying that I'm a traditionalist. I see nothing wrong with having "Under God" and "In God We Trust" on our currentcy. Religious Morals are what our founding fathers built this country on. Go to any of the monuments in D.C. and you'll see how important these beliefs were to people like Lincoln, Jefferson, etc. I don't see/hear about how this imposes a religion on anyone, I don't feel preassure to pledge myself to a God by this. But like I said, maybe its just me, maybe I'm the asshole.

If you support God on the currency or in the Pledge, you are, by definition, NOT a traditionalist. The Founders rejected those intrusions.

Your feelings and beliefs are not wrong...but they are not in line with the country's Founders. Washington and Jefferson were not even Christians...

But NO, you are NOT "the asshole". People can disagree, it's all good.

I figured you would support a referendum like that one. So its perfectly fine for a 14 year old girl to get an abortion without her p's finding out? There is something wrong with the p's knowing about this before a procedure like that is done on someone under the age of 18? Guess that is where the traditionalist in me comes out. It isn't like an abortion is a minor procedure and if the girl was abused, I still think the P's should know about it.

The problem with notification is that they rarely include provisions for incest. Also, they do not make provisions for abusive families. Nor do they provisions for emancipated minors.

I do not oppose it unconditionally...I oppose it because it will get abused little girls hurt or even killed.

I will always have a problem with NAMBLA and the ACLU representing them. Just on an ethical side, I understand its all legal, just not ethical in my mind to represent a bunch of sick f**ks that prey on little boys. I guess me having a little son has a lot to do with my feelings on that.

They may be sick, but they have rights. We all do. What happens when some day you find yourself in a community that finds vets to be offensive? Should you lose your rights because OTHERS find it offensive??? Certainly not, you are an American entitled to your Civil Rights and they should be just as respected by those who hate you as those who like you.

And I'll always have a problem with an american that joins up with a terrorist organization and helps plans for ways to kill other Americans. Whether its by supplying arms, video tapes or money, your a traitor and you do not deserve to be protected by the rights given to you by the US Constitution. Like I have said over and over again, we'll never agree on this, so why go back and forth. You see my logic as faulty and I don't.

When a person is accused of a crime...no matter how heinous, they are entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers. They are innocent until proven guilty.

The is an ABSOLUTE in America. It is not my opinion. It is enshrined in the Constitution. It is in the very fabric of our country's being.

You are saying that we should do away with Trial By Jury? I struggle with that a bit...

It's not faulty logic of yours, it's simply that you are saying the Constitution is wrong and that people ACCUSED of a crime should be denied a trial by jury. Since that is all the ACLU is defending. Once you are guilty, you are thrown in jail or executed (for Treason). The ACLU has no issue with that. They simply want a trial by a jury of peers. That's the American way.

What the ACLU does is within the legal realm and that is fine, I just find it very unethical and not protecting american values. Like I said, I'm probably in the minority and wrong on that, but I can accept that.

Trial by Jury, Freedom of Speech, Seperation of Church and State. All of these are American values...and the ACLU defends that...even when they don't like the person saying what they are saying.

here are soem lovely causes that the ACLU has taken up that I'm sure you will support.
http://www.aclu.org/scotus/2005/19938prs20050921.html
http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/relationships/19955prs20050921.html
http://www.aclu.org/reproductiverights/gen/20117prs20050921.html

Agree or not, they are defending Civil Rights not viewpoints.

Lastly, lets not forget about how the ACLU is very much against the minuteman project and has filed suit against them. I'm probably opening myself up for a ton of outrage by supporting the minutemen, but whatever. I guess people entering our coutry illegally are entitled to the same protection of OUR laws that you and are.

I have no issues with the Minuteman project. As long as they do not harm or kill. By watching the border and notifying the authorities, I am totally cool with that effort...

The ACLU to date has not filed any motions against the Minutemen though.

They did come down on one fellow and the Minutemen dismissed him anyhow for violating Minutemen procedures.

 

[marv81s]

I totally respect all of your point of views, just don't agree with them. Great debate you two. Loved all of the discussion on this topic. You guys are awsome thinkers and are very well spoken. I'm happy that we didn't resort to name calling like what happens to me when I talk about this subject with some of my co-workers or some family members.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I totally respect all of your point of views, just don't agree with them. Great debate you two. Loved all of the discussion on this topic. You guys are awsome thinkers and are very well spoken. I'm happy that we didn't resort to name calling like what happens to me when I talk about this subject with some of my co-workers or some family members.

Name calling is nothing compared to "The Look" from my wife.



Heck, a fistfight could be less painful than "The Look"

 

[tedwick]

I totally respect all of your point of views, just don't agree with them. Great debate you two. Loved all of the discussion on this topic. You guys are awsome thinkers and are very well spoken. I'm happy that we didn't resort to name calling like what happens to me when I talk about this subject with some of my co-workers or some family members.

the same. : )

 

[marv81s]

Name calling is nothing compared to "The Look" from my wife.



Heck, a fistfight could be less painful than "The Look"

I've seen that "look" from my wife quite a few times. I am sure I'll be seeing it several times this weekend. She's turning 30 this weekend, so she'll be quite the mood this weekend, be walking on eggshells.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I've seen that "look" from my wife quite a few times. I am sure I'll be seeing it several times this weekend. She's turning 30 this weekend, so she'll be quite the mood this weekend, be walking on eggshells.

haha...

It's our 12th anniversary this weekend. (she's 33 and I am 35) With the two kids and all that we feel well past old. LOL